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[AlanC9]

Sure-- IIRC they had a tough time selling Ellison on that. But it's as close to a no-win game as I can recall.

[David7204]

Kane and Lynch is pretty miserable.

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

Look on the bright side, I'm sure Bioware won't write another foe like this again. And they won't make their game universes so disposable again either. I'm almost sure of that. There are lessons to be learned here.

I'd be more confident of that if they weren't basically acting like the Leviathans, hiding fromtheir own horrible error yet still proclaiming "There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose"

[Han Shot First]

I like the Refuse ending least as it is basically just a more creative version of ME1's "Critical Mission Failure." It also turns Shepard into the most disastrously inept military commander in all of human history. There is nothing heroic about bumbling incompetence.

That being said, I do love the voice over and visuals for the ending. It was very well executed for a "You lose" ending.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Refusal Ending:
As stupid as the decision to get this ending is, Liara's words are still very touching when I pick it to hear it again. Maybe this could've been the ending for a conventional way of fighting the reapers, because the crucible couldn't be deployed, was destroyed, or couldn't be built based on assets......

What are your opinions?

This is what happens when you reject God.

The way the story was written you needed a higher power to win. 

You could not win conventionally. You fought a terrible war so that the next cycle wouldn't have to. They deployed the crucible and won by twitter canon.

[wolfhowwl]

Han Shot First wrote...

I like the Refuse ending least as it is basically just a more creative version of ME1's "Critical Mission Failure." It also turns Shepard into the most disastrously inept military commander in all of human history. There is nothing heroic about bumbling incompetence.

That being said, I do love the voice over and visuals for the ending. It was very well executed for a "You lose" ending.

True.

Refuse is the dumbest choice in the trilogy.

[Han Shot First]

The next cycle put their fate in the hands..tentacles..claws..whatever..of someone a lot more competent than Refuse Shepard. Refuse Shepard is a bumbling moron that refuses to use the superweapon the galaxy just spent the last year (?) or so pooling all of its resources to build, and a weapon in which the entire galactic war plan revolved around. Honestly if Refuse Shep is the best humanity has to offer, the species deserved to go extinct.

[KaiserShep]

iakus wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Look on the bright side, I'm sure Bioware won't write another foe like this again. And they won't make their game universes so disposable again either. I'm almost sure of that. There are lessons to be learned here.

I'd be more confident of that if they weren't basically acting like the Leviathans, hiding fromtheir own horrible error yet still proclaiming "There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose"

What would you have them say anyway? They can't badmouth their product, but they can provide more content to users to remedy certain gripes. The Extended Cut DLC would certainly not exist if they weren't paying attention, and I would suspect that the Citadel DLC is also a response, though there's so much thrown into that DLC that I'm not so sure.

[grey_wind]

csm4267 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

All the dialogue centered around the Refusal ending is great, especially the speech Shepard gives Star-Jar. While its outcome is nonsensical, it really does make you wish that the writers could have come up with a more imaginative plot than "build this deus ex machina we just found at the last minute in our hour of need whose functions nobody understands!".

Crucible didn't just appear out of nowhere. You were building it the entire game. First was announced during the Mars mission. You need to pay attention more to the story.

Not sure if serious....

[Zazzerka]

A video outlining my basic feelings on the subject.

The song is nice, though.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 01 octobre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Excella Gionne]

Refusal does make sense if Control was your only option....you refuse to not become a reaper, but would you sacrifice yourself to save the galaxy?

[grey_wind]

csm4267 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Not sure if serious....

Not sure if you paid attention during the course of the game. Otherwise Starchild and Crucible stuff would make sense to you.

Bloody hell, you were being serious.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Refusal does make sense if Control was your only option....you refuse to not become a reaper, but would you sacrifice yourself to save the galaxy?

If Control was your only option then your choice is Control or death. I see little difference from a personal standpoint. At least with Control you save what is left of the galaxy.

[In Exile]

csm4267 wrote...
Crucible didn't just appear out of nowhere. You were building it the entire game. First was announced during the Mars mission. You need to pay attention more to the story.

That was the last minute in the hour of need. 

[AlanC9]

Not quite the last minute. From the look of the maps, I imagine the Crucible could have been discovered a month or so later and still been completed befor the galaxy completely collapsed.

Pretty close, though.

Modifié par AlanC9, 01 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Redbelle]

In Exile wrote...

csm4267 wrote...
Crucible didn't just appear out of nowhere. You were building it the entire game. First was announced during the Mars mission. You need to pay attention more to the story.

That was the last minute in the hour of need. 

The game designers tried to bring the crucible into the player imagination with a floaty holograph display in the war room and a short video clip.

Honestly, I forgot all about it once the shooting started again.

Maybe if I'd gone to visit and fought off sabateurs....

[AlanC9]

Yeah, they should remember our short attention spans and poor memories.

[zed888]

wolfhowwl wrote...


Refuse is the dumbest choice in the trilogy.

 Yep.  Much better to let the Reaper King tell you how to operate the anti-Reaper zapper.

[TheN7Penguin]

I kind of liked the ending. I mean, yes it made no sense but I enjoyed playing it and can't complain about it. I did destroy a race of giant machines wanting to harvest all organic life in the galaxy, which was ultimately going to be the ending to the trilogy anyway.

People keep making comments about how random the crucible is. But in a way I took it as a metaphor for how the war against the Reapers was down to luck and chance. If Shepard decided to stay on Earth and fight, he'd have died. But it was with luck he survived. And with luck that he recovered the crucible data. And after you start building, the construction lasts the entire game, up until the last two missions where you get told its completed.

Even though I think ME2's ending was better, there are no complaints from me about ME3's.

Tali's picture on the other hand is something I don't agree with, but still no complaints. I understand why they did it - same with the crucible. If you were going to finish off one of the best video game trilogies in all time, how would you do it?

Imo, a giant super weapon destroying a giant race of evil machines = awesome.

[TheN7Penguin]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kind of offtopic, but I think another reason they went the direction they did is they wanted controversy like Templar/Mage debates. I think that was the real goal of "Speculations for everyone".. to stir things up and get people talking different views. I don't think they pulled it off though. You get those kind of debates with Geth and Quarians, but not the ending choices themselves (the debates around the ending aren't about it's content so much as it's whole existence. The debate is more "pro ender" and "anti-ender". Not pro-destroy, pro-synthesis, etc).

I agree. A game needs something you can talk about. And hell, discussions like this have been going on for like two years or so. That should say something about what they've managed to do. Despite Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty or any number of good selling games, people are still talking about it.

Quarians ftw.

[zed888]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kind of offtopic, but I think another reason they went the direction they did is they wanted controversy like Templar/Mage debates. I think that was the real goal of "Speculations for everyone".. to stir things up and get people talking different views. I don't think they pulled it off though. You get those kind of debates with Geth and Quarians, but not the ending choices themselves (the debates around the ending aren't about it's content so much as it's whole existence. The debate is more "pro ender" and "anti-ender". Not pro-destroy, pro-synthesis, etc).

It's died down a lot lately, maybe a little before you started here, but there used to be long, bitter fights about the choices.  People calling each other rapists/Hitler/Stalin, etc etc etc...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

The next cycle put their fate in the hands..tentacles..claws..whatever..of someone a lot more competent than Refuse Shepard. Refuse Shepard is a bumbling moron that refuses to use the superweapon the galaxy just spent the last year (?) or so pooling all of its resources to build, and a weapon in which the entire galactic war plan revolved around. Honestly if Refuse Shep is the best humanity has to offer, the species deserved to go extinct.

Eh. I'll still pick refuse over low-EMS destroy.