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[LobselVith8]

Given the schism between the mages and templars that has erupted into a continental war, I'm wondering how Lambert's faction of Seekers and templars are going to respond to a free heathen mage having power outside of a Circle Tower (which Jowan and WoT address as illegal according to Chantry law) since it seems like a Dalish Inquisitor is going to be a possible background for the main character, as well as how they might respond to the nomadic Dalish clans who have free mages living alongside non-mages in their groups (who might be gathering for Arlathvhen, which may take place in Halamshiral).

Lambert strongly believed in the Chantry controlled Circles, and I'm wondering if the focus of his group might turn their attention to a Dalish Inquisitor and the clans, who don't seem to be part of the Mage-Templar War at the moment, or if Lambert's sect might focus exclusively on the autonomous Circle mages.

As a side note, I'm also curious if a Dalish Inquisitor will use correct vernacular (the Beyond for the Fade, spirits instead of Spirits and Demons per Andrastian religious teachings, shemlen for humans, ect.) and if the protagonist will be able to express opposing historical views to certain events (like the elven Warden commenting on the invasion of the Dales in contradiction to the Chantry version).

[Augustei]

If I got a dollar every time you mentioned the Dalish Lob, I'd never have to work another day in my life =P
With mages having power outside the circle being illegal I always wonder why this was never addressed with The Warden and more importantly Hawke who was made Viscount with the support of the Templars?

I think Lamberts faction will be far to concerned with the mages to really worry about the Dalish, at least until the Dalish do something really big like ally themselves with the mages or Conquer Val Royeaux or something.. I think it will be something that they will be a bit concerned about but they have other problems atm and will probably be of the mind of dealing with the Dalish later

[Vilegrim]

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I got a dollar every time you mentioned the Dalish Lob, I'd never have to work another day in my life =P
With mages having power outside the circle being illegal I always wonder why this was never addressed with The Warden and more importantly Hawke who was made Viscount with the support of the Templars?

I think Lamberts faction will be far to concerned with the mages to really worry about the Dalish, at least until the Dalish do something really big like ally themselves with the mages or Conquer Val Royeaux or something.. I think it will be something that they will be a bit concerned about but they have other problems atm and will probably be of the mind of dealing with the Dalish later

Grey Wardens get a pass. Basically Templars don't mess with grey wardens grey wardens don't mess with them. 

[Wulfram]

No doubt they'd want to do something about the Dalish, but I don't know if they'd have the resources to spare. Hunting the ex-circle Mages will presumably keep them busy.

Though the Dalish might have an incentive to help the Mages because a Templar victory would leave them next in the firing line.

I think we might have to accept that the Dalish Inquisitor will adopt human terminology on occasion, which isn't necessarily unreasonably - why use "beyond" when you'll just have to clarify what you meant after doing so? Hopefully there'll be a decent amount of race specific dialogue options, though.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I got a dollar every time you mentioned the Dalish Lob, I'd never have to work another day in my life =P

You'd be richer if you heard me talk about the Independent Vegas ending; my favorite and canon conclusion for my Courier. 

XxDeonxX wrote...

With mages having power outside the circle being illegal I always wonder why this was never addressed with The Warden and more importantly Hawke who was made Viscount with the support of the Templars? 

When it comes to the Hero of Ferelden becoming Teyrn of Gwaren or Arl of Amaranthine as a mage, I really have no idea; it should have been addressed. As for apostate Hawke, I've read fans say some developers commented on it not really fitting the lore, but being a consequence of time restraints.

[Aolbain]

He might be interested in that. But not before he crushes the revolt, takes back control of the chantry and takes a stab at subjugating Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

When it comes to the Hero of Ferelden becoming Teyrn of Gwaren or Arl of Amaranthine as a mage, I really have no idea; it should have been addressed. As for apostate Hawke, I've read fans say some developers commented on it not really fitting the lore, but being a consequence of time restraints.

Teyrn of Gwaren, I think it's safe to say, never happened. Canon on all sides ignores it. As for Arl of Amaranthine, the Warden wasn't the Arl on her/his own merits, but just the current post-holder for the Grey Wardens (and they leave in the epilogue anyway), so it can be handwaved. Mage Hawke makes legitimately less sense, but Champion is a title based wholly on merit and Kirkwall's nobility was probably too soured on the templars by that point to really care about the ramifications of the title beyond Kirkwall.

[Medhia Nox]

I'd love it if the Templar faction that needs to be dealt with in game (or one of them) - is actually pro-elf for whatever reason.

I'd also love the Templars to get the support of the elves via some story element (whether the Templars are led by an elf - or an elf love interest of the main Templar is charismatic enough to pull the elves to the Templar side).

I'd love the Templars to side with elf emancipation (city elf emancipation at least) while still opposing the mage rebellion.

Personally - I think making the "everyone who is oppressed should be on the same side" faction think about who they would side with more would be very compelling.

[leaguer of one]

If they do, dalish arrows will darken their sky's.

[Xilizhra]

I'd love it if the Templar faction that needs to be dealt with in game (or one of them) - is actually pro-elf for whatever reason.

There's... really no reason that this would happen. Even if they were for city elven populism, they'd never be in favor of the Dalish or any sort of uniquely elven culture.

Personally - I think making the "everyone who is oppressed should be on the same side" faction think about who they would side with more would be very compelling.

Yes, because you don't have to worry about it because you don't care. I'd think that it'd be most compelling for the templars to be obliterated and the mages to fix their own issues, but I don't expect you to agree.

[Medhia Nox]

@Xilizhra: You would be wrong. I do care. About the narrative - not my own personal dream world where every oppressed group sides with each other vs. every oppressive group.

I find that the epitome of "fantasy" and I think the narrative would be MUCH poorer for it.

As for the Templars - I've said before they won't be allies unless they give up their current fanaticism - but I suppose you only hear my anti-mage rebels talk and just assume I'm pro-Templar.

Anti-fanatics... doesn't mean I have to obliterate anyone. That's the least civilized type of thinking I can imagine. Though games are designed to promote violence as the easiest solution - if anything else is available I will at least try that first. If the Mage rebels and the Templars fall in line against the world threat - and dissolve their fanaticism that's putting everyone in danger for their own pet causes... then no "obliteration" needs to occur.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 01 octobre 2013 - 06:30 .

[Usergnome]

With the chaotic state the world is in, no one has the strength to actively seek out the Dalish clans who would no doubt employ guerilla warfare tactics to survive.

The war is on Circle Mages, not the Dalish. The Chantry has always known of the Dalish Keepers but they do not hunt them, it is simply understood. Dalish clans always move anyways, and they take care of the few abominations they have by themselves.

Basically, it wouldn't make sense for them to anger all the Dalish and turn them into elusive raiders... They can't afford it right now. Seeing how we are going to Halamshiral and possibly the Dales, I'm sure the Dalish will play a larger role in this game than the last two.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If the templars rebelled against Chantry authority specifically to put down the Circle Mage rebellion I seriously doubt they are going to waste time hunt the Dalish at all unless the Dalish intervene in the war directly. It would be counter productive to their primary goal.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 octobre 2013 - 06:36 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I got a dollar every time you mentioned the Dalish Lob, I'd never have to work another day in my life =P

The entire forum would never have to work agian, not just you.
Dont' be greedy now.

I think Lamberts faction will be far to concerned with the mages to really worry about the Dalish, at least until the Dalish do something really big like ally themselves with the mages or Conquer Val Royeaux or something.. I think it will be something that they will be a bit concerned about but they have other problems atm and will probably be of the mind of dealing with the Dalish later

Agreed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd love it if the Templar faction that needs to be dealt with in game (or one of them) - is actually pro-elf for whatever reason.

There's... really no reason that this would happen. Even if they were for city elven populism, they'd never be in favor of the Dalish or any sort of uniquely elven culture.

City elves are also elves. They need some love too.

Yes, because you don't have to worry about it because you don't care. I'd think that it'd be most compelling for the templars to be obliterated and the mages to fix their own issues, but I don't expect you to agree.

Black and white isn't compelling.
Well..I guess it is...to you. You only seem to care about making your fanfiction reality, and nothing else anyway.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well when it comes to the PC, I think some of them will probably get a very hostile reaction if there are any kind of dealings with one or more templar factions but, given the importance of the position of Inquisitor, I'd be very surprised if any race class combos actually made it impossible to get the support of one faction or another.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Vilegrim]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: You would be wrong. I do care. About the narrative - not my own personal dream world where every oppressed group sides with each other vs. every oppressive group.

I find that the epitome of "fantasy" and I think the narrative would be MUCH poorer for it.

As for the Templars - I've said before they won't be allies unless they give up their current fanaticism - but I suppose you only hear my anti-mage rebels talk and just assume I'm pro-Templar.

Anti-fanatics... doesn't mean I have to obliterate anyone. That's the least civilized type of thinking I can imagine. Though games are designed to promote violence as the easiest solution - if anything else is available I will at least try that first. If the Mage rebels and the Templars fall in line against the world threat - and dissolve their fanaticism that's putting everyone in danger for their own pet causes... then no "obliteration" needs to occur.

Oh the templars will be broken on the wheel, either figurativel by disbanding and ceasing to hunt mages, or literally.  Their choice.   That will be the price of ending the threat, better the world burn than the chantry survive.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd love it if the Templar faction that needs to be dealt with in game
(or one of them) - is actually pro-elf for whatever reason.

There's...
really no reason that this would happen. Even if they were for city
elven populism, they'd never be in favor of the Dalish or any sort of
uniquely elven culture.

City elves are also elves. They need some love too.

Yes,
because you don't have to worry about it because you don't care. I'd
think that it'd be most compelling for the templars to be obliterated
and the mages to fix their own issues, but I don't expect you to
agree.

Black and white isn't compelling.
Well..I guess it is...to you. You only seem to care about making your fanfiction reality, and nothing else anyway.

If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vilegrim wrote...
That will be the price of ending the threat, better the world burn than the chantry survive.

If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

So nice you want to destroy the world.

[Vilegrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...
That will be the price of ending the threat, better the world burn than the chantry survive.

If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

So nice you want to destroy the world.

Want to? No, but accept it may be the outcome, yes, sometimes freedom or death means exactly that.

[Sir JK]

Quite frankly Lobsel, there's two many unknowns at this point to really speculate. It depends heavily on things like the resources the templars have at their disposal, the exact details surrounding the inqusition, the progress of the mage-templar war, their exact leadership (not just the top dog but also his lieutenants) and so forth (like say, what exactly the Red Templars are).

If Lambert's templars is a faction you can side with, then there'll be some reason for them to accept even a heathen mage (I suspect that even a Dalish mage would be more welcome than a Qunari inqusitor. The Dalish might be wrong, but they're still somewhat familar) Maybe not without gruntling and trying to push their beliefs on them. But at the end of the day, if they need your help that will carry more weight than any ideology.

In all likelyhood, they'll have their hands full with mages and will... eventually... accept whatever help they can get. Even the Dalish, if that's the only help offered (the real question in that case is of course what the Dalish would have to be promised to extend that hand).

The enemy of my enemy is my friend sounds like an appopriate expression. If they're a potential ally... then there'll be a reason for them to accept you.

As for your second question. I think we can expect some things based on our race/class, but not overly much. Expect to talk about especially the Fade with the standard term, as opposed to beyond, Demons will certainly figure. They won't be doing unique conversations for every race. Expect individual lines, here and there, but not much more than that.
I do suspect that you'll be able to express you version of history however... if it comes up,... but not that you'll be able to drag it up every conversation with related parties. Ie. if it's about the war, absolutely! if it's about the Chantry's future: not terribly likely. If it's about elves in Halamshiral, perhaps. If it's about Celene being in Halamshiral, probably not.

I expect to be able to recognice that I am Dalish, but it won't revolve around the fact that I am. You will, first and foremost, be the Inqusitor. And the Inquisition will, first and foremost, be a human organisation... that happens to be led by a dalish elf.

oh... and Lobsel... as a sidenote... be prepared for that your Dalish might in fact not be welcome among his people. Don't hinge your entire character concept, this early, on being their champion .

[Face of Evil]

Never fear! I'm certain there will be ample opportunities to slaughter the Dalish come Inquisition.

[Shadow Fox]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...
That will be the price of ending the threat, better the world burn than the chantry survive.

If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

So nice you want to destroy the world.

If that kind of playthrough is possible I hope it's like this:

armoredcore.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_Path

[The Elder King]

@Vilegrim: will you really be fine if the only 'mage-free' outcome in Inquisition would be a world practically destroyed? It'd likely be a end not available to import in the next game. I doub many pro-mage supporters would like that.

OT: I doubt that the templars at war with the mages will bother to hunt the dalish. They have to focus on the mages, and it'd be pretty stupid to give two factions that aren't allied a reason to do it, against you.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vilegrim wrote...

Want to? No, but accept it may be the outcome, yes, sometimes freedom or death means exactly that.

You seem to happily accept the deaths of tens of thousands and throwing the world into chaos, all for the sake of a few hunderd mages.

While I have sympathy for their plight, that is too high a cost to pay.