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[The Hierophant]

simfamSP wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If they do, dalish arrows will darken their sky's.

All ten of them?

lol

[TK514]

The Dalish aren't important enough for Lambert to care about when he has a Mage uprising to put down. I suppose if they did something stupid he might task some forces to eradicating the responsible clan, but for the most part they aren't worth the effort to track down.

It's more likely that if they did something to get his attention, he would request an allied or sympathetic secular power to deal with the problem.

Someone Inquisitive no doubt.

[Aolbain]

Vilegrim wrote...
That will be the price of ending the threat, better the world burn than the chantry survive.

If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

This is why no one likes revolution. They always end in "KillKillKill!"

[iOnlySignIn]

simfamSP wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If they do, dalish arrows will darken their sky's.

All ten of them?

ZING

[Chaos Hammer]

Vilegrim wrote...


If the world burns in that playthrough so be it.  Annihlation is better than continued submission.

So you'd rather have the mages destroy the world and prove the paranoia?
That makes absolutely no sense, the mages and the Templars are two halves of a whole. While the circle was broken, all mages cannot be trusted. I'm not saying that mages are evil, quite the opposite, they are varied and human (so to speak). Templars are a wall, they protect the people from radical mages, and they protect mages from fanatical anti magic zealots. Templars are like the Veil and mages the spirits of the fade. My point being both good and bad come from the setup. You deny the world the good and the bad in equal parts.

Another analogy, Thedas is like a constitutional monarchy, Mages are the king, with god given power, and Templars are the parliament, the power of the people, either power can be corrupted in part or in whole.

I guess my point is, and yes I rambled to get here, there has to be a happy medium.

Safety and liberty are brothers that feud often but are truly inseperable

Whyd they get rid of my :/ smiley?

Modifié par Chaos Hammer, 02 octobre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Norsky]

From an in-game position, I think it would depend on their resources; their first priority, I imagine, would be the mages "belonging" to the Andrastian society. So to speak.

As for any Dalish Inquisitor and/or clan being hunted specifically, I have my doubts. If this Dalish clan had a storyline that existed in the game regardless of PC origin, I could see it happening.

[LobselVith8]

Sir JK wrote...

Quite frankly Lobsel, there's two many unknowns at this point to really speculate. It depends heavily on things like the resources the templars have at their disposal, the exact details surrounding the inqusition, the progress of the mage-templar war, their exact leadership (not just the top dog but also his lieutenants) and so forth (like say, what exactly the Red Templars are).

We have a year to do little more than speculate. 

I wonder where the templars would have found red lyrium. If there's an entire splinter faction of them, they must have found it somewhere. And who would be giving it to them, especially if it's located somewhere in the Deep Roads, such as the primeval thaig?

Sir JK wrote...

If Lambert's templars is a faction you can side with, then there'll be some reason for them to accept even a heathen mage (I suspect that even a Dalish mage would be more welcome than a Qunari inqusitor. The Dalish might be wrong, but they're still somewhat familar) Maybe not without gruntling and trying to push their beliefs on them. But at the end of the day, if they need your help that will carry more weight than any ideology.

I think reactivity would be good. I'd rather not see templars acting 'blind' to an apostate (or a maleficar, in the case of a Dalish mage). Perhaps the Red Templars are another enemy who Lambert's faction needs to contend with.

Sir JK wrote...

In all likelyhood, they'll have their hands full with mages and will... eventually... accept whatever help they can get. Even the Dalish, if that's the only help offered (the real question in that case is of course what the Dalish would have to be promised to extend that hand).

That's a very good question.

Sir JK wrote...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend sounds like an appopriate expression. If they're a potential ally... then there'll be a reason for them to accept you.

Possibly, even though I must admit I find the idea of the templars working with a maleficar to be odd.

Sir JK wrote...

As for your second question. I think we can expect some things based on our race/class, but not overly much. Expect to talk about especially the Fade with the standard term, as opposed to beyond, Demons will certainly figure. They won't be doing unique conversations for every race. Expect individual lines, here and there, but not much more than that. 
I do suspect that you'll be able to express you version of history however... if it comes up,... but not that you'll be able to drag it up every conversation with related parties. Ie. if it's about the war, absolutely! if it's about the Chantry's future: not terribly likely. If it's about elves in Halamshiral, perhaps. If it's about Celene being in Halamshiral, probably not.

If the protagonists end up having different voices, it could be easier to have a Dalish Inquisitor use the proper terminology. If that isn't the case, I'm hoping it won't come across with the Dalish Inquisitor feeling like a re-skinned Andrastian.

Sir JK wrote...

I expect to be able to recognice that I am Dalish, but it won't revolve around the fact that I am. You will, first and foremost, be the Inqusitor. And the Inquisition will, first and foremost, be a human organisation... that happens to be led by a dalish elf.

Have the developers said it will be a primarily human organization? Not that I doubt it, but I've wondered if Dwarves, Elves, or Kossith wouldn't flock to the organization of the Inquisitor was the same race.

Sir JK wrote...

oh... and Lobsel... as a sidenote... be prepared for that your Dalish might in fact not be welcome among his people. Don't hinge your entire character concept, this early, on being their champion .

That's a possibility, that he might be a pariah among his clan like Merrill, but I would like to be in a position to help them. It would be the same as playing as a templar Inquisitor - wouldn't you want the opportunity to help the Order, rather than being denied the choice?

[Master Warder Z_]

 It likely will not be a major focus unless if they play a part in the rebellion in Orlais in which case the Templars likely would have to put their hatred of uncontained magic aside just to keep their power basis intact.

[Former_Fiend]

Xilizhra wrote...

Teyrn of Gwaren, I think it's safe to say, never happened. Canon on all sides ignores it.

I wouldn't say "never happened". I think "happened, but simply wasn't important to the overall narrative"  is more likely.

[dragonflight288]

I don't think Lambert's faction of templars would leave the Dalish alone, period. Many templars, most I think become red templars, are religious zealots. They'll genuinely believe they are doing the Maker's word as they slaughter people.

Some of the released art shows red templars attacking a village, and we know they have completely broken away from the Chantry. Also, based on the knowledge that templars hunt Dalish, and that templar who tortured a young dalish with fire for information on Feynriel, I believe if the Red Templars believed there were mages or dalish around, they'd attack.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The templars tortured information out of that dalish hunter because it served their objective of getting Feynriel. Diverting any of their precious few resources away to hunt down elves who aren't directly involved in their conflict does not serve their objective of fighting the Circle Mage Rebellion.

[Ryzaki]

simfamSP wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If they do, dalish arrows will darken their sky's.

All ten of them?

Burn

But seeing some dalish and red templars righting each other could be interesting.

[Former_Fiend]

I tend to agree that the dalish are going to be lower down on the list of the templar's priorities. Any given dalish clan will have two mages in it. Small potatoes compared to the uprising they're dealing with.

Though I imagine if they happen across any dalish while hunting for the mages, the results won't be pretty.

[dragonflight288]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The templars tortured information out of that dalish hunter because it served their objective of getting Feynriel. Diverting any of their precious few resources away to hunt down elves who aren't directly involved in their conflict does not serve their objective of fighting the Circle Mage Rebellion.

Templar Lieutenant: I don't care about these knife-ears!

Dragon Age: Redemption, the dalish are constantly hunted by templars, and their keeper had just been taken.

Aveline: You'd think we could requisition a templar or two, but no, that would be demeaning.

Edit: What that has to do with what you said....nothing. Just a few lines worth noting.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 02 octobre 2013 - 02:16 .

[Heimdall]

With whole circles running around apostate, I find it unlikely they'd have the time to go hunt down the Dalish.

[dragonflight288]

Lord Aesir wrote...

With whole circles running around apostate, I find it unlikely they'd have the time to go hunt down the Dalish.

Who knows? With the rumored elven rebellion, they may feel justified if they get reports a Dalish clan is in the area.

[Sir JK]

LobselVith8 wrote...
We have a year to do little more than speculate. 

This is true, but it carries the risk of being terribly wrong. The templars (and the inqusition's and the Dalish) positions will be determined by their current political situation. At this point we have little more than ideological broad strokes, but it's practical details that will determine everything.

I wonder where the templars would have found red lyrium. If there's an
entire splinter faction of them, they must have found it somewhere. And
who would be giving it to them, especially if it's located somewhere in
the Deep Roads, such as the primeval thaig?

I think reactivity would be good. I'd rather not see templars
acting 'blind' to an apostate (or a maleficar, in the case of a Dalish
mage). Perhaps the Red Templars are another enemy who Lambert's faction
needs to contend with

Indeed. Mind you, the game will probably not lock you out of templars (if available) just because you chose to be Dalish, much like Origin's didn't. Nor do I suspect will their allegiance be easier or more dififcult to earn. What you'll do will weigh more heavily than what you are.

Possibly, even though I must admit I find the idea of the templars working with a maleficar to be odd.

Pragmatism goes further in war than ideology does. If they're in a position that they cannot ignore you without losing a lot (possibly the war alltogether), they'll have some soul searching to go through.

If the protagonists end up having different voices, it could be easier to have a Dalish Inquisitor use the proper terminology. If that isn't the case, I'm hoping it won't come across with the Dalish Inquisitor feeling like a re-skinned Andrastian.

It still have to be written, you know. Which I suspect is the time consuming bit.

Given our previous discussions on what exactly makes an Andrastian, I'll advice you not to set yourself up for disappointment. You're not going to get a uniquely dalish point of view in every, or even the majority, of conversations. You might get a race-specific line here and there. But don't expect more (I hope, but don't expect, Bioware will prove me wrong here btw).

For all intents and purposes, I'd expect a re-skinned Andrastian with token lines. Equal to, or slightly less than, Origins in it's reactivity to your race. Anything beyond that will be a happy bonus.

It's well worth pointing out that the conversations will have to be written with new players in mind. Replacing Fade and demons with Dalish terms would be a rather confusing thing to people not as well versed in lore as the two of us. Similarly, you might not get the option to protest something simply for the same reason. Not to confuse.

Have the developers said it will be a primarily human organization? Not that I doubt it, but I've wondered if Dwarves, Elves, or Kossith wouldn't flock to the organization of the Inquisitor was the same race.

Call it a hunch of mine.

That's a possibility, that he might be a pariah among his clan like Merrill, but I would like to be in a position to help them. It would be the same as playing as a templar Inquisitor - wouldn't you want the opportunity to help the Order, rather than being denied the choice?

I would prefer to have the option, yes. I'm just saying that building a character now that revolves around the option being there and leading the templars to their desired goals would probably be a mistake .

[TEWR]

Do we know for a fact that the Inquisitor will be a Dalish Warden Elf? I know multiple races are back (HEDK) but do we know for a fact the Elven Inquisitor can and will be Dalish?

[Former_Fiend]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Do we know for a fact that the Inquisitor will be a Dalish Warden Elf? I know multiple races are back (HEDK) but do we know for a fact the Elven Inquisitor can and will be Dalish?

I've heard they've confirmed that, if nothing else, being a dalish mage will be an option. Digging for a source on that will require more effort than I'm willing to put into this discussion, though.

[Vicious]

If they won't someone else will. Look at what happened to the Rivaini circle... they were slaughtered because they didn't follow the status quo... no other reason.

There's no going back to Circles when things like that happen.

I would say fine, it's not like we need Mages to fight Demons... but there's this big ass hole in the veil, and somehow I think Mages are needed to close it.

Modifié par Vicious, 02 octobre 2013 - 07:04 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't think Lambert's faction of templars would leave the Dalish alone, period. Many templars, most I think become red templars, are religious zealots. They'll genuinely believe they are doing the Maker's word as they slaughter people.

I didn't get that impression.
Most templars with ran across are actually pragmatic sorts who lock up mages because it's the smart/right thing to do. Not because "the Maker wills it!"
Being andrastian or devout is not a requirement for locking up mages.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I've heard they've confirmed that, if nothing else, being a dalish mage will be an option. Digging for a source on that will require more effort than I'm willing to put into this discussion, though.

I do wonder why the dalish mages isn't a Keeper or a First (being as awesome as the Main Protagonist always is)?

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I've heard they've confirmed that, if nothing else, being a dalish mage will be an option. Digging for a source on that will require more effort than I'm willing to put into this discussion, though. 

I do wonder why the dalish mages isn't a Keeper or a First (being as awesome as the Main Protagonist always is)?

It's possible the Dalish Inquisitor might have been the First of his (or her) clan before the veil tears, or even the Keeper, depending in how old we can make our main character. Elora and Aneririn the Healer demonstrate, however, that the mage in the clan doesn't necessarily have to be the First or the Keeper.

[Beerfish]

I would say they will have a lot more on their plate than chasing the Dalish all over hill and dale at this point in time. If they ran into them by chance then they mighty try and take some corrective action but I would think it would be a low priority considering how many circle mages they feel they need to try and corral.

[In Exile]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't think Lambert's faction of templars would leave the Dalish alone, period. Many templars, most I think become red templars, are religious zealots. They'll genuinely believe they are doing the Maker's word as they slaughter people.

I didn't get that impression.
Most templars with ran across are actually pragmatic sorts who lock up mages because it's the smart/right thing to do. Not because "the Maker wills it!"
Being andrastian or devout is not a requirement for locking up mages.

There is a codex that says explicitly that tempalrs are picked for their devout fanaticism and not their skill or competence.