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Do you think Lambert's faction will hunt the Dalish Inquisitor and/or clans?


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#151
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Velanna was by far the worst of the Keepers/Firsts we've seen in the game. She was a racist murderer. And so full of hatred that even her own clan disavowed her. Much like Sten before her in Origins, I only brought her with me once out of three times because I didn't want to miss out on content, but was too disgusted by her actions to include her in my team with my two main Wardens.

The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 07:30 .


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The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.

She thought they were part of the same group, not just random humans.

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She killed every single human who entered the forest, no matter who they were. Most of the deaths were merchant caravans. It's like she was trying to force "humans in general" to give back her sister.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 07:31 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

Velanna was simply deceived. Zathrian's motivation seems too personal for me to ascribe anything Dalish-specific to it. And the irony of your statement is that I actually had sort of planned on my Dalish Inquisitor being like that... minus, perhaps, the "uncompromising" part. But definitely committed to the success of the elven people.


Velanna was decieved yes, the fact that it was so easy to decieve her in that fashion however is what I aimed for. She had a very easy time believing the lie.
As for Zathrian, sure... it was his individual traits that made him scary. But that's what I want to see... individuals. The ones that through weakness or desire takes out the most rotten parts of their culture and uses it to achieve their ends.

Also... I think your character concept sounds awesome.

Wut? The spirit school isn't forbidden as far as I know. As for the culture... well, culture itself is frequently wrong.


World of Thedas page 104. Bottom of the page in the right column. "Unlike other spellcasters, Dalish mages does not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe them to be dangerous.".

This coupled with statements from Marethari and Merrill leads me to infer that spirit magic is forbidden. Maybe it isn't, I could be wrong (but have yet to see any evidence that I am). But even if I am... according to the lore of the Dalish, what Merrill is doing is -very dangerous-. So again, it's not like big bad Marethari accused Merrill of something that's untrue in Dalish eyes.

But again... it was horribly manipulative. I don't mean to say that Marethari should be excused. She should not.

Regardless... I don't consider that to be the worst of the Dalish. Not by a long stretch.

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Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

She killed every single human who entered the forest, no matter who they were. Most of the deaths were merchant caravans. It's like she was trying to force "humans in general" to give back her sister.


Depending on how you treat her and what you do throughout Awakening, Velanna may find redemption. One ending slide has her defending an entire human village on her own and she suceeds. There is more to a character that what we are given. That is what character development means. You have to understand her perspective: wouldn't you go to the ends of the Earth to find your sister especially if you know the people who "may" have taken was the same group of people that took your land, language, culture and religion before and continue to despise you for being elven? Oh, and previously tried to burn your Clan from the forest? 

She was driven by her emotions. Yes, what she did was wrong but she can be redeemed. And she can be if she is given a chance. 

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Yes I know of that. Although I don't remember managing to get the "Velanna defends a human village epilogue" when I tried. And the content that came with her was interesting (much like Sten's) but even so, I think it's the player's prerogative to decide she doesn't deserve your help. My Human Noble and Dalish Elf Wardens were both too repulsed by gratuitous murders of so many people who were totally unrelated to her goal of saving her sister to offer their help. Neither wanted to have her around because they thought her victims deserved their help more than she did. Killing all those people didn't help her find Serrani. The people of Amaranthine didn't even who what was destroying all their caravans, much less that it was an elf that blamed them for the disappearance of her sister. My Dwarf Noble that came next was more of a "tale all the help you can get" type of Warden Commander, so she was more accepting of having her along and helping her find her way.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 08:05 .


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She killed every single human who entered the forest, no matter who they were. Most of the deaths were merchant caravans. It's like she was trying to force "humans in general" to give back her sister.

They were being attacked, weren't they? There were numerous survivors.

Velanna was decieved yes, the fact that it was so easy to decieve her in that fashion however is what I aimed for. She had a very easy time believing the lie.

I can't entirely blame her.

This coupled with statements from Marethari and Merrill leads me to infer that spirit magic is forbidden. Maybe it isn't, I could be wrong (but have yet to see any evidence that I am). But even if I am... according to the lore of the Dalish, what Merrill is doing is -very dangerous-. So again, it's not like big bad Marethari accused Merrill of something that's untrue in Dalish eyes.

Merrill was unorthodox, but Marethari did react rather horribly.

Also... I think your character concept sounds awesome.

There is, of course, the small problem of my being unable to do anything that'll make me feel bad... I'm not sure how far I'd actually go.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I can't entirely blame her.


That she didn't investigate further (or try to find exactly who did it) is something I do blame her for. But that she does not think highly of humanity I do not.

Merrill was unorthodox, but Marethari did react rather horribly.


This I agree with.

There is, of course, the small problem of my being unable to do anything that'll make me feel bad... I'm not sure how far I'd actually go.


I know how that is. I'm largely the same. I wish you the best of luck with it though.

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Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Velanna was by far the worst of the Keepers/Firsts we've seen in the game. She was a racist murderer. And so full of hatred that even her own clan disavowed her. Much like Sten before her in Origins, I only brought her with me once out of three times because I didn't want to miss out on content, but was too disgusted by her actions to include her in my team with my two main Wardens.

The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.


Agreed, she was dumb as a bag of rocks to go along with that.

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Xilizhra wrote...

The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.

She thought they were part of the same group, not just random humans.


She terrorized any human in the vicinity. She had been doing it for weeks. She kills many people. She doesn't deny it. Even after you show that humans didn't kill her sister, she thinks the humans had it coming.

Sten is at least repentant. Velanna is just vile.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Sten is at least repentant. Velanna is just vile.

And her rig is funny when she turns her neck!

Also, it's suggested that Sten is not repetant in the way you think. He's mostly upset that he lost his sword. And second place seems to go to him being upset about having an emotional outburst. Distant third is the killing of innocents.

Modifié par Taleroth, 03 octobre 2013 - 08:59 .


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Herr Uhl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.

She thought they were part of the same group, not just random humans.


She terrorized any human in the vicinity. She had been doing it for weeks. She kills many people. She doesn't deny it. Even after you show that humans didn't kill her sister, she thinks the humans had it coming.

Sten is at least repentant. Velanna is just vile.

Sten's much worse. He'd have killed every last human there without any regret if the Qun demanded it. Velanna takes longer to get past her ingrained issues, but the point is that she does: Sten never does.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The darkspawn trickery hardly made much of a different to me because, even if humans had taken her sister, all she did was gruesomely slaughter all humans that she came upon, who were all innocent of it anyway.

She thought they were part of the same group, not just random humans.


She terrorized any human in the vicinity. She had been doing it for weeks. She kills many people. She doesn't deny it. Even after you show that humans didn't kill her sister, she thinks the humans had it coming.

Sten is at least repentant. Velanna is just vile.

Sten's much worse. He'd have killed every last human there without any regret if the Qun demanded it. Velanna takes longer to get past her ingrained issues, but the point is that she does: Sten never does.

No she doesn't she never regrets it Sten atleast didn't try to justify what he did.

And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?:blink:

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To be honest 3/4 companions in da have serious issues and are psycho and well sten and velanna are in this group.

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Yes.

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No she doesn't she never regrets it Sten atleast didn't try to justify what he did.

And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?

She winds up finding redemption. Sten doesn't.

Also, Zevran.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 octobre 2013 - 09:02 .


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A lot of people are ignoring the giant fade tear in the sky and demons and spirits pouring out and thinking only the M vs T war is important enough to pay attention to. DO they have time to even hunt down mages? I doubt it. They will prob even need there help to stop the evasion from the sky

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?:blink:


This is the same person that said the elves should murder every human man, woman, and child that now lives in the former dales

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Morocco Mole wrote...

This is the same person that said the elves should murder every human man, woman, and child that now lives in the former dales

Stay awesome my friend.

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Xilizhra wrote...

No she doesn't she never regrets it Sten atleast didn't try to justify what he did.

And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?

She winds up finding redemption. Sten doesn't.

Also, Zevran.

Sten helps kill an Archdemon thus saving all of Thedas wheras Velanna saves one city or Keep.:whistle:

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No she doesn't she never regrets it Sten atleast didn't try to justify what he did.

And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?

She winds up finding redemption. Sten doesn't.

Also, Zevran.

Sten helps kill an Archdemon thus saving all of Thedas wheras Velanna saves one city or Keep.:whistle:


But Sten's still personally evil.

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I'd argue Sten does find redemption.

But Sten's still personally evil.


Sten's no more evil than Zevran or Velanna.

If we're going for scales of "evil" then I'd say Zevran trumps him in that category.

Modifié par Morocco Mole, 03 octobre 2013 - 09:25 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No she doesn't she never regrets it Sten atleast didn't try to justify what he did.

And are people seriously defending a mass murderer because she's Elven?

She winds up finding redemption. Sten doesn't.

Also, Zevran.

Sten helps kill an Archdemon thus saving all of Thedas wheras Velanna saves one city or Keep.:whistle:


But Sten's still personally evil.


By your standards maybe

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By my standards the Jedi are evil.

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By my standards anyone who disagrees with me is evil.