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[alevice]

Hi everyone. I have been trying to have a bvery specific scenario for my Complete Monster Shepard, who intends to have everyone die in the leats honourable/satisfying way. This so far entails having everyone die on the suicide mission, except for the following:

Grunt (never wakes up)
Legion (sold to Cerberus and turned into Legion Assassin)
Jack (captured duirng the Grissom Academy incident and turned a Phantom)
Tali (suicides at ME3 by siding with the Geth)
Mordin (gets shot by me when trying to spread the Genophage cure)

My problem so far is havign Tali live due to wanting not having her loyal (the idea is that Shepard is an ass to Tali - he never gives her the ME1 data disks, ofter berates her, ruins her loyalty mission by exposing her father, and makes her see her entire race obliterated by the Geth). It seems non loyal Tali is very high on the kill list (will die by escorting, as squadmate against Terminator Reaper, and at HTL). I want to see if there is sometrhing I am missing to keep her alive while still having her non loyal (or ruin her loyalty mission and still have her loyal somehow).

I would appreciate any insight on the matter.

[cap and gown]

One suggestion: save Zaeed's loyalty mission until after the SM then leave him to die at the refinery. Zaeed has a pretty high defense score, loyal or not, so he could help keep Tali alive. Loyal Mordin used as escort. Be sure to save the data so you have to kill him in case Wreav is in your playthrough.

Check the defense scores in the SM thread and plan accordingly. Seems like you might go with Jack, Tali, Mordin, and Zaeed as your targeted survivors.

Modifié par cap and gown, 01 octobre 2013 - 06:35 .

[Ferretinabun]

Poor Tali. :-(

YOU BOSH'TET!!!

But seriously, I just did the following quick calculation for fun (and because I'm very bored atm):

- DO upgrade armour (so Jack lives)
- Do NOT upgrade shields (Kasumi dies)
- Do NOT upgrade cannon (Thane dies)
- Garrus in the vents (he dies)
- Miranda does the bubble and you bring Jacob (Jacob dies)
- Samara(Morinth?) is second Fireteam Leader (Samara/Morinth dies)
- Loyal Mordin does escort mission (survives)
- Bring loyal Jack and non-loyal Miranda to the final fight (Jack survives and Miranda dies)

That just leaves non-loyal Zaeed and Tali behind. But with that score, Tali will indeed die.

The only ways to boost that score enough is to either have Zaeed loyal (tricky because then I don't think you'll be able to kill him in ME3 - could be wrong), or to add another squadmember who is killable in ME3 - and Grunt fits that bill. Bring him along NOT loyal, and he'll die in his ME3 mission. I know it's a 'meaningful' death being a noble sacrifice and all, but I think it's the only way to get a non-loyal Tali through to ME3 in one piece.

You can then kill Zaeed in his post-suicide-mission-loyalty-mission, and then it's just Tali, Jack, Mordin and Grunt set up for ME3.

Although if I were you, I'd think about bringing Samara/Morinth along too. Their deaths/potential deaths in ME3 are nastier than failing the suicide mission imho (though they must be loyal - a non-loyal Samara will drag down your Hold The Line score).

[alevice]

Yeah, forgot to mention morith (becomes a banshee).

My idea was to keep kasumi alive until HTL, by bringing her to my squad (aling with tali) agaist occulus, so garrus or someone else dies instead. I run the risk that having both non loyal kasumi and tali will bring the htl score too low.

I will need to test numbers for the HTL (non loyal tali really needs to be there :/).

Thanks for the advice so far.

Modifié par alevice, 01 octobre 2013 - 11:27 .

[alevice]

Hmmm, maybe zaeed, tali and kasumi (all nonloyal) would give an HTL score of 3, with an averagre of exactly 1.0, which if the SM chart is correct, means only one memember dies (kasumi).

[alevice]

Can someone remind me if the crew escort gets back for the htl calculation?

[Ferretinabun]

alevice wrote...

Can someone remind me if the crew escort gets back for the htl calculation?

They do not.

[Ferretinabun]

alevice wrote...

Hmmm, maybe zaeed, tali and kasumi (all nonloyal) would give an HTL score of 3, with an averagre of exactly 1.0, which if the SM chart is correct, means only one memember dies (kasumi).

Have you misread the chart?

You are correct that only one squad member would die, but that would be Tali.

The To-Die list runs Mordin-THEN-Tali-THEN-Kasumi.

[alevice]

I certainly did for some reason. Damn. I need a 2.0+ average! This complicates things. Also, still not back at home

[Ferretinabun]

Can't really see how else to tweak it from here.

Revised Plan of action:

- Sell Legion
- DO upgrade armour (so Jack lives)
- Do NOT upgrade shields (Kasumi dies)
- DO upgrade cannon (Thane lives)
- Garrus in the vents (he dies)
- Miranda does the bubble and you bring Jacob (Jacob dies)
- Thane is second Fireteam Leader (Thane dies)
- Loyal Mordin does escort mission (survives)
- Bring loyal Jack and non-loyal Miranda to the final fight (Jack survives and Miranda dies)
- After the suicide mission, fail Zaeed's loyalty mission (Zaeed dies)

That leaves Grunt (not loyal), Morinth, Mordin (loyal) Jack (loyal) and Tali (not loyal) all to be brought over into ME3 to be killed.

I think that's the only way to do it...

[cap and gown]

The one thing I see that needs some more thought is the Miranda bubble, Jacob in squad. You need to check the will-die order there. Jacob is far down the list, so make sure you pick someone that is even further down as the second team mate.

[Ferretinabun]

I'm pretty sure it'll work. Miranda still has her plot armour at that point, so if you get her to do the bubble, the second squadmate will always die.

[cap and gown]

Here is the will-die order for the bubble squad: Thane>Jack>Garrus>Legion>Grunt>Samara>Jacob>Mordin>Tali>Kasumi>Zaeed>Morinth

So the second squad mate could be Tali, Zaeed, or Morinth

[Ferretinabun]

Those would also work, yes. But notice Miranda is not on the list at all. Because she and Shepard will never die at this point. If you use Miranda for the bubble the other squadmate will always be the one to bite the dust.

[cap and gown]

The person doing the bubble is not the second squad mate. They are the specialist. The specialist does not die, only a member of the squad. So, for instance, with your recommendation fo having Grunt around, he cannot be in Shepard's squad during the bubble run or he will die, not Jacob.

Modifié par cap and gown, 02 octobre 2013 - 06:03 .

[Ferretinabun]

Oh I see. You're right.

For some reason I was imagining Shepard did the Long Walk with a specialist and only one other squadmate.

So yes, alevice would need to bring Tali, Zaeed or Morinth along as the second squadmate in the bubble.

Also, this means that if he took Tali or Zaeed, Jacob would need to be NOT loyal, or else Tali/Zaeed would die instead.

Morinth is always loyal. So a loyal Jacob would still be the one to die if she was the second squadmate.

FINAL REVISED PLAN OF ACTION:

- Sell Legion
- DO upgrade armour (so Jack lives)
- Do NOT upgrade shields (Kasumi dies)
- DO upgrade cannon (Thane lives)
- Garrus in the vents (Garrus dies)
- Miranda does the bubble and you bring Jacob and Morinth (Jacob dies)
- Thane is second Fireteam Leader (Thane dies)
- Loyal Mordin does escort mission (survives)
- Bring loyal Jack and non-loyal Miranda to the final fight (Jack survives and Miranda dies)
- After the suicide mission, fail Zaeed's loyalty mission (Zaeed dies)


Phew.

[alevice]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Can't really see how else to tweak it from here.

Revised Plan of action:

- Sell Legion
- DO upgrade armour (so Jack lives)
- Do NOT upgrade shields (Kasumi dies)
- DO upgrade cannon (Thane lives)
- Garrus in the vents (he dies)
- Miranda does the bubble and you bring Jacob (Jacob dies)
- Thane is second Fireteam Leader (Thane dies)
- Loyal Mordin does escort mission (survives)
- Bring loyal Jack and non-loyal Miranda to the final fight (Jack survives and Miranda dies)
- After the suicide mission, fail Zaeed's loyalty mission (Zaeed dies)

That leaves Grunt (not loyal), Morinth, Mordin (loyal) Jack (loyal) and Tali (not loyal) all to be brought over into ME3 to be killed.

I think that's the only way to do it...

 That's a really great setup, at first it baffled me that you intended to keep thane alive, but then i noticed it was so i have enough guys still by the escort mission. Yeah, it seems your sasetup is the only one that will work. Thanks a lot for the advice! Time to be an ****!

[alevice]

Kinda hard to believe how really specific i need to be for such setup. Any minor slip and all is ruined. Reall aprpreciate what has been done.

[Ferretinabun]

No probs. Enjoy.