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[NocturneNight]

(First off, haven't played Awakening yet so please don't spoil anything from the expansion should the topic bring us there. Thank you!)

Alright, for an otherwise awesome game I have to say I was fairly disappointed at the final battle. What's up with all the Darkspawn being so low levelled seriously? Only the elites and bosses where level 20 and by this point in the game my party was powerful enough to kill most bosses in seconds. There was one tough battle, by the stairs to Fort Drakon when you get pummeled by 4 Emessaries and a Dragon, but still was able to beat it with one casualty and no soldiers used. Even the Archdemon was abit of a pushover. Never had to use any of the reinforcements, quite boring. So I'm wondering if this is just me or if others feel the same?

Next we have the epilogue. Why didn't we get to know the fates of the other companions? Only Alistair and Morrigan are thorughly described, and even so, their stories were rather short. Especially Alistair's. As a City Elf I was also really disappointed at not getting to know what happened to Shianni or Cyrion. I named Shianni the Bann of the Alienage, but you never get to hear about how she did, kinda weak. And what about that girl, Nessa? The one you help so she doesn't have to go to Ostagar. No trace of her whatsoever. The whole "return to the Alienage"-bit felt really weak - Soris only had a few lines to say even though he and my Warden were like best buddies and fought off some hundred Human soldiers togheter...

And apparently Leliana was tasked with an expedition to the Urn of Sacred Ashes despite the fact that I murdered Genitivi and noone could've known about it. Sigh.

So yes, quite the rant, I know. But I was seriously disappointed with the ending. How did others percieve it?

Modifié par NocturneNight, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:09 .

[Magdalena11]

I didn't think there were too many loose ends but some people did. The epilogue slides are a bit bugged as you pointed out as well. You get more of an epilogue if you refuse the dark ritual or sacrifice Alistair/Loghain since you can go up to companions and ask them what they're doing before you talk to the door guard if you're alive to do so.

[BevH]

You can talk to your companions even if you do the Dark Ritual or Alistair is king. But the epilogue slides are quite buggy.

[Ferretinabun]

If you're on PC, there are mods that fix the epilogue slides.

Sadly, the ones for City Elves are pretty much all terrible, and there isn't one at all about Nessa. Sucks to be a City Elf, basically.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If you want tougher battles, up the difficulty. I found it just right in terms of challenge, but then I am not a fan of combat. I'd rather it be over quickly so I can get on with the story.

Epilogues are bugged. If you made Shianni bann, you won't see her epilogue (it doesn't turn out well for her :/ Check out the wiki).

You see the most companion epilogues if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice, otherwise it's mostly limited to Morrigan, Alistair (if he lived) and Leliana (if she lived). I believe Shale always gets one though, if you have her DLC--and she lived.

As for the ashes...well, you did heal Eamon with them, and Leliana's not stupid. If you didn't harden her or romance her, the expedition to the Ashes is her typical epilogue. Whether or not her expedition is successful probably depends on whether or not you killed the High Dragon.

[NocturneNight]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
If you want tougher battles, up the difficulty. I found it just right in terms of challenge, but then I am not a fan of combat. I'd rather it be over quickly so I can get on with the story.

This was on Hard. I doubt upping to Nightmare would've changed the fact that we are fighting level 10 Darkspawn, which would still be oneshotted.

Game felt rather challenging until like level 15 or so, and when I got ahold of the Rose's Thorn Dagger...after that it was...very easy. Most of the Deep Roads was just a grind for me, no fun at all. I just don't get why we're fighting level 10 grunts that gets oneshotted - remember that fight in the Dead Trenches where you get to plow down wave after wave of Darkspawn to cross that bridge? THAT was epic, and not too difficult even though the Darkspawn were all decently high levelled (15-20 I think).

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Epilogues are bugged. If you made Shianni bann, you won't see her epilogue (it doesn't turn out well for her :/ Check out the wiki).

Ah, that sucks. But thank you, I will hunt those mods down people mention. I still want to see it.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
You see the most companion epilogues if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice, otherwise it's mostly limited to Morrigan, Alistair (if he lived) and Leliana (if she lived). I believe Shale always gets one though, if you have her DLC--and she lived.

I suppose that makes sense. I know you can walk around and talk to them afterwards, but it's much better if you get to see an epilogue detailing their continued adventures. I mean it's one thing hearing from them about what they INTEND to do, and getting to see what the actually DID. Alistair's epilogue was way too short aswell, imo. And not even a picture of him. Sigh...

I remember the epic epilogue for Baldur's Gate. You'd get to see a large portrait of each of your companions, and then a sliding text told of their lives after the story in great detail.

How many distinct endings are there, by the way? I suppose I'll have to replay the Final Battle and refuse Morrigan to make the Ultimate Sacrifice sometime.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
As for the ashes...well, you did heal Eamon with them, and Leliana's not stupid. If you didn't harden her or romance her, the expedition to the Ashes is her typical epilogue. Whether or not her expedition is successful probably depends on whether or not you killed the High Dragon.

Who actually left the Dragon alone though, honestly? Giving up all that loot...not to mention that battle was the highlight of the whole game for me! I remember Alistair died TWICE that fight, dying the second time just before the Dragon died so my Rogue had to tank it those final, nervewracking moments before killing it...it was so close!

What happens if you defiled the Ashes? I would've done that if it wasn't for the fact that Wynne flipped out and forced me to kill her. As my party's healer, that would've been quite detrimental... :S 

Modifié par NocturneNight, 02 octobre 2013 - 11:16 .

[NocturneNight]

Double post, sorry

Modifié par NocturneNight, 02 octobre 2013 - 11:16 .

[keeneaow]

I found the end and the game-play boring enough so i only once completed it,
the good part of the game is building the talents up, and attribute allocation.

On the difficulty, you can solo, and you can play on nightmare

[mousestalker]

OP, there are two good mods that clean up the end game nicely. They may both be found at Dragon Age Nexus. The first is the ZDF. The other is Dialogue Tweaks. Both are great and fix a great many bugs/glitches/problems with the game without altering balance.

If you use them and either replay the game or just play the end game, you will see a great deal more accurate and consistent information.

[NocturneNight]

Ferretinabun wrote...

If you're on PC, there are mods that fix the epilogue slides.

Any chance you could link me those mods?

mousestalker wrote...

OP, there are two good mods that clean up the end game nicely. They may both be found at Dragon Age Nexus. The first is the ZDF. The other is Dialogue Tweaks. Both are great and fix a great many bugs/glitches/problems with the game without altering balance.

If you use them and either replay the game or just play the end game, you will see a great deal more accurate and consistent information.

I saw nothing really in those about the epilogue slides. I'd prefer a mod focusing solely on that, if it exists.

[caradoc2000]

NocturneNight wrote...

How many distinct endings are there, by the way? I suppose I'll have to replay the Final Battle and refuse Morrigan to make the Ultimate Sacrifice sometime.

  Depends on how you define 'distinct', but for the "play every ending" achievement, there are four.

What happens if you defiled the Ashes? I would've done that if it wasn't for the fact that Wynne flipped out and forced me to kill her. As my party's healer, that would've been quite detrimental... :S 

Wynne and Leliana attack you, and some of the slides are a bit different. And you can unlock the Reaver specialization.

[Ferretinabun]

NocturneNight wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

If you're on PC, there are mods that fix the epilogue slides.

Any chance you could link me those mods?

Mais oui, monsieur:

http://dragonage.nex....com/mods/928/?

http://dragonage.nex...com/mods/1120/?

Between the two, these mods fix a tonne of story continuity issues (plot flags and misfiring dialogue lines), including the epilogue slides, and are both perfectly compatible with each other.

[NocturneNight]

caradoc2000 wrote...
Depends on how you define 'distinct', but for the "play every ending" achievement, there are four.

That's what I meant, yes. So accepting Morrigan's offer is one, making the Ultimate Sacrifice is another. And I guess the last two are to make Loghain/Alistair make the sacrifice?

Ferretinabun wrote...

NocturneNight wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...
If you're on PC, there are mods that fix the epilogue slides.

Any chance you could link me those mods?

Mais oui, monsieur:
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/928/?
http://dragonage.nex....com/mods/1120/?
Between the two, these mods fix a tonne of story continuity issues (plot flags and misfiring dialogue lines), including the epilogue slides, and are both perfectly compatible with each other.

Gracias amigo! Seems Mousestalker was correct about ZDB; I found some epilogue fixes after examining the description more carefully. Thanks to both of you!

[Secretlyapotato]

NocturneNight wrote...

Alright, for an otherwise awesome game I have to say I was fairly disappointed at the final battle. What's up with all the Darkspawn being so low levelled seriously? Only the elites and bosses where level 20 and by this point in the game my party was powerful enough to kill most bosses in seconds. There was one tough battle, by the stairs to Fort Drakon when you get pummeled by 4 Emessaries and a Dragon, but still was able to beat it with one casualty and no soldiers used. Even the Archdemon was abit of a pushover. Never had to use any of the reinforcements, quite boring. So I'm wondering if this is just me or if others feel the same?

Yeah I thought it was really easy to coordinate compared to all the darkspawn I fought to get there, but I thought it was "fun easy" so I didn't mind. =D It amused me picking off the darkspawn one-by-one with mah arrows.

[Shinobu]

You are glad you didn't get Shianni's epilogue slide. Really.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

NocturneNight wrote...

Game felt rather challenging until like level 15 or so, and when I got ahold of the Rose's Thorn Dagger...after that it was...very easy. Most of the Deep Roads was just a grind for me, no fun at all. I just don't get why we're fighting level 10 grunts that gets oneshotted - remember that fight in the Dead Trenches where you get to plow down wave after wave of Darkspawn to cross that bridge? THAT was epic, and not too difficult even though the Darkspawn were all decently high levelled (15-20 I think).

Ooh, I remember that fight. That was pretty fun. I prefer the one where the shrieks ambush you on a different bridge though. THAT was tough.

Ah, that sucks. But thank you, I will hunt those mods down people mention. I still want to see it.

If all else fails, the wiki does have the text for all the epilogues, I believe, and the conditions they appear under. Not the pretty backdrops, but at least you'd get to read them.

I suppose that makes sense. I know you can walk around and talk to them afterwards, but it's much better if you get to see an epilogue detailing their continued adventures. I mean it's one thing hearing from them about what they INTEND to do, and getting to see what the actually DID. Alistair's epilogue was way too short aswell, imo. And not even a picture of him. Sigh...

Yeah, I think I was kinda hoping for a BG2 style epilogue myself. Sadly, they're completely gone in DA2.

Also...well, since DA:O the developers have come out and said that the epilogues are 'rumour and hearsay', and not necessarily what the characters actually do. Which has confused, upset and angered quite a few fans. So, yeah. Seeing what they DID isn't actually seeing what they DID any more, I'm sorry to say. :/

How many distinct endings are there, by the way? I suppose I'll have to replay the Final Battle and refuse Morrigan to make the Ultimate Sacrifice sometime.

Quite a few! It depends on a whole heap of things, including your 'friend' status with companions. For instance, if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice and had everyone friended, you'll get something quite different if you do the US but companions were not friendly towards you.

Like I said above though, the wiki includes the conditions of all the different slides, so you can see the plethora of variations available.  http://dragonage.wik...logue_(Origins)

Who actually left the Dragon alone though, honestly? Giving up all that loot...not to mention that battle was the highlight of the whole game for me! I remember Alistair died TWICE that fight, dying the second time just before the Dragon died so my Rogue had to tank it those final, nervewracking moments before killing it...it was so close!

Hehe, well, some people do choose not to, believe it or not. Either for role-playing reasons, or they tried the fight but gave up after dying...any number of reasons

What happens if you defiled the Ashes? I would've done that if it wasn't for the fact that Wynne flipped out and forced me to kill her. As my party's healer, that would've been quite detrimental... :S 

Well, as far as the epilogue is concerned, the dragon eventually ends up going on a rampage across the countryside. If I remember correctly, it also destroys the temple and leads to the Urn of Ashes never being found. Genetivi can even kill himself after seeing his life's work comes to nothing.

Not killing the dragon epilogues are also affected by whether or not you killed Kolgrim and/or Brother Genetivi.

[ejoslin]

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Edit: I need to read entire threads before commenting 

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 octobre 2013 - 11:44 .

[NocturneNight]

I've now watched the full epilogue thanks to the mods mentioned eariler. I still feel like it was way too short, but definately more complete than before. When I saw what happened to Shianni I replayed the final battle and made myself Bann instead! Then she ends up becoming Elder instead, much better. And the stuff from Morrigan's mod was great; I can't understand why they cut those scenes from the game! Now I sorta feel cheated; it would've made her leaving invoke much stronger emotions. 
 
Ohwell it makes me all the more determined to purchase and play Witch Hunt. Now THAT is cheap! Forcing players to buy additional content in order to find out things about their favorite characters that should've been in the game all along just to make more money. It's a perfect example of why I HATE DLCs. -.-

Thank you again for linking those mods people! And thanks to the authors!!

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Ooh, I remember that fight. That was pretty fun. I prefer the one where the shrieks ambush you on a different bridge though. THAT was tough.

Hmm I honestly don't recall that. As I said, most of the Deep Roads was a chore for me, besides that one battle. Perhaps my expectations were too high; I hoped for more outposts besides Orzammar and tons of side quests, Job Board quests etc down there. And no random encounters either. Also, it was the only place I had left before the Landsmeet and I was dying to get that started.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Yeah, I think I was kinda hoping for a BG2 style epilogue myself. Sadly, they're completely gone in DA2.
Also...well, since DA:O the developers have come out and said that the epilogues are 'rumour and hearsay', and not necessarily what the characters actually do. Which has confused, upset and angered quite a few fans. So, yeah. Seeing what they DID isn't actually seeing what they DID any more, I'm sorry to say. :/

That sounds wierd indeed. Probably so they can make changes to the story without people crying "retcon". :S I personally don't care if a game has one ending or 2 gazillion endings; just make it good and consistent. I personally don't know what made Baldur's Gate's ending so good, I guess it was a combination of fantastic music and legendary characters.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Quite a few! It depends on a whole heap of things, including your 'friend' status with companions. For instance, if you do the Ultimate Sacrifice and had everyone friended, you'll get something quite different if you do the US but companions were not friendly towards you.

That's cool. As I said, I have to do the Ultimate Sacrifice sometime. Not sure if I want to do it with this char, though, or a new one, making different choices aswell.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Well, as far as the epilogue is concerned, the dragon eventually ends up going on a rampage across the countryside. If I remember correctly, it also destroys the temple and leads to the Urn of Ashes never being found. Genetivi can even kill himself after seeing his life's work comes to nothing.
Not killing the dragon epilogues are also affected by whether or not you killed Kolgrim and/or Brother Genetivi.

Hah, that's awesome!!  ...forgive my Maker-abhoring Elf.

Hmm, I see. So leaving the Dragon alone is required to recieve any confirmation regarding Genitivi's death; in my game, the Codex even said he'd gone to Denerim etc I was like "WTF?!". Guess I'll hit the wiki eventually, thanks!

Modifié par NocturneNight, 03 octobre 2013 - 01:43 .