I am the type of person around here that doesn't believe that romances are necessary in the Dragon Age games. They don't really add that much to the experience, at least for me. Romance in video games isn't all that common; there are definitely good games out there that do not involve romance: see Rockstar and Bethesda games. I feel that romances add headaches for the writing staff. Who to include, who not to include, how much nudity is too much, who can date who, what political ramifications will there be, etc. I feel that the writing staff at Bioware is more than capable of writing connectable characters without the usage of them being a romantic possibility. I have found playthroughs of Mass Effect and Dragon Age where I don't romance a character to be just as rewarding as those who do. Basically, my main points are:
- Romances are too divisive. You will not please everyone and you are guaranteed to upset someone.
- Romances are not essential to the experience.
- Romances are not essential to character development.
Now, given Bioware's past 5 games, I know that there will be romances in the game, but I do feel that this is a valid opinion to share regardless. I am sure I am not the only one on this forum who feels this way.
No romances for DA: I.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:27
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I like cliches. I like character developments. The hero always gets the girl. It's optional content. Just don't do it. Really, people will still ask for romances whether they are there or not. That will never change.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:29
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Br3ad wrote...
I like cliches. I like character developments. The hero always gets the girl. It's optional content. Just don't do it. Really, people will still ask for romances whether they are there or not. That will never change.
While it is true that romances are optional content that can easily be ignored, they tend to bring a lot of nastiness with them as far as the fans are concerned. Hate letters, forum arguments ,etc.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:29
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Speaking of Romance threads - where did the one from this afternoon go entitled "Competition for LI with Companions"? It appears to be deleted - instead of locked or whatever.
I'd post here on this topic, but I'm still gun-shy after the last thread has disappeared.
I'd post here on this topic, but I'm still gun-shy after the last thread has disappeared.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:30
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Hanar, your argument is exceptionally weak. It's based on pure speculation about a writing process that you have no insight into and the notion that your opinion is the right one.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:31
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Romances are WAAAAAAY too popular with the fans.
Bioware already cater to those who don't want them by making them optional.
Bioware already cater to those who don't want them by making them optional.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:31
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Agreed on all counts. Since pleasing everyone is impossible, you might as well upset everyone instead.
For the lulz.
For the lulz.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:32
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Hanar, your argument is exceptionally weak. It's based on pure speculation about a writing process that you have no insight into and the notion that your opinion is the right one.
Where did I ever say my opinion was superior to another's? I simply stated that this was an opinion that was worth sharing.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:34
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zMataxa wrote...
Speaking of Romance threads - where did the one from this afternoon go entitled "Competition for LI with Companions"? It appears to be deleted - instead of locked or whatever.
I'd post here on this topic, but I'm still gun-shy after the last thread has disappeared.
yeah, I felt that was a really cool idea, as long as it doesn't happen with every character.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:34
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It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:37
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Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.
Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.
Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:37
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Actually they aren't, but the fans that they are popular with really like them. I don't think that this group should suffer because of the extremely volcal minority.Ferretinabun wrote...
Romances are WAAAAAAY too popular with the fans.
Bioware already cater to those who don't want them by making them optional.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:38
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You forgot to mention equality
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:38
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I agree that many within this fanbase seem to have an unhealthy obsession with LIs.
However, the hero getting the girl (or guy, depending on what you fancy) has been a staple of storytelling (in general) for a long while now. It's an enjoyable dynamic for many, and for that reason, should be part of these stories as well.
Don't like it? Don't do it. It's optional stuff anyway. Some games don't make it optional (it's part of those stories).
However, the hero getting the girl (or guy, depending on what you fancy) has been a staple of storytelling (in general) for a long while now. It's an enjoyable dynamic for many, and for that reason, should be part of these stories as well.
Don't like it? Don't do it. It's optional stuff anyway. Some games don't make it optional (it's part of those stories).
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:39
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Seraph Cross wrote...
You forgot to mention equality
Having no romances at all is the clear-cut way to ensure equal and fair
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:40
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greengoron89 wrote...
Agreed on all counts. Since pleasing everyone is impossible, you might as well upset everyone instead.
For the lulz.
Ah, the Casey Hudson development philosophy.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:40
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You're a good myn, Hanar, but this thread will soon be full of lots of butthurt and derailment, at which point it'll be locked.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:41
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Volus Warlord wrote...
Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.
Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.
We already have companions being day one DLC do we really need more.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:41
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This. The romance aspect has gotten way out of a control, from something "extra" to a main selling point for some.greengoron89 wrote...
Agreed on all counts. Since pleasing everyone is impossible, you might as well upset everyone instead.
For the lulz.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:41
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It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.
I disagree. I think people have become too obsessed with romances, to the point where other things like functional gameplay, coherent storytelling, etc. become secondary. They use romances as a form of escapism and wish fulfillment, or exploit romances to serve their political agendas.
I think in order to counter this, romances should simply be removed. People will be forced to appreciate the game for what it is, and not for overemphasized side content.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:42
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Enigmatick wrote...
greengoron89 wrote...
Agreed on all counts. Since pleasing everyone is impossible, you might as well upset everyone instead.
For the lulz.
Ah, the Casey Hudson development philosophy.
XD
Should we get RGB endings in Inquistion as well? And OGB/Morrigan's child can be the starbrat in DA.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:42
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
I agree that many within this fanbase seem to have an unhealthy obsession with LIs.
However, the hero getting the girl (or guy, depending on what you fancy) has been a staple of storytelling (in general) for a long while now. It's an enjoyable dynamic for many, and for that reason, should be part of these stories as well.
Don't like it? Don't do it. It's optional stuff anyway. Some games don't make it optional (it's part of those stories).
I think the main issue is that romances for me is that they didn't feel as optional in DA2 as they did in DAO. I couldn't really express that I considered a person a friend without flirting with them. That's how I felt anyways. It feels that romance has become an integral part of creating a friendship in Bioware games.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:43
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Ryzaki wrote...
Volus Warlord wrote...
Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.
Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.
We already have companions being day one DLC do we really need more.
Since the romances are optional content, I see no harm in not making them immediately accessible.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:43
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greengoron89 wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.
I disagree. I think people have become too obsessed with romances, to the point where other things like functional gameplay, coherent storytelling, etc. become secondary. They use romances as a form of escapism and wish fulfillment, or exploit romances to serve their political agendas.
I think in order to counter this, romances should simply be removed. People will be forced to appreciate the game for what it is, and not for overemphasized side content.
Are you seriously suggesting that people don't enjoy both?
Cause I do.
There is no one or the other. You can like more than one thing about a story.
