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[Ryzaki]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.

Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.

We already have companions being day one DLC do we really need more.

Since the romances are optional content, I see no harm in not making them immediately accessible.

True enough and if they're bought seperately they can put alot more into them. ROMANCE DLC ROMANCE ALL THE THINGS

[Hellion Rex]

greengoron89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.

I disagree. I think people have become too obsessed with romances, to the point where other things like functional gameplay, coherent storytelling, etc. become secondary. They use romances as a form of escapism and wish fulfillment, or exploit romances to serve their political agendas.

I think in order to counter this, romances should simply be removed. People will be forced to appreciate the game for what it is, and not for overemphasized side content.

Your opinion. And it seems that on this thread, there are just as many who would keep romances as remove them. So again, you do not have to partake in them at all. And you can still appreciate the game for "what it is" and choose not to partake in the romances at all.

[Volus Warlord]

Ryzaki wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.

Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.

We already have companions being day one DLC do we really need more.

Since the romances are optional content, I see no harm in not making them immediately accessible.

True enough and if they're bought seperately they can put alot more into them. ROMANCE DLC ROMANCE ALL THE THINGS

Exactly. If the romances are DLC, they can be better developed, and the core gameplay in the vanilla edition can be better developed because of one less side priority.

Everyone wins.

[Hellion Rex]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Are you seriously suggesting that people don't enjoy both? 

Cause I do.

There is no one or the other. You can like more than one thing about a story.

There are people here who I have personally seen say they would not get DA I if it did not have homosexual romances.

Nothing to do with the story. Nothing to do with the "RPG elements."

He has a very valid point.

True. But at the same time, there are those who might hope for homosexual romances and still get the game regardless of whether or not they are implemented. I certainly would. I would be a bit disappointed but I would still get the game because I absolutely love the series.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

There are people here who I have personally seen say they would not get DA I if it did not have homosexual romances.

Nothing to do with the story. Nothing to do with the "RPG elements."

He has a very valid point.

So what? There's plenty of people who wouldn't buy other games if not for extras. I'm at the point I REFUSE to buy an rpg that won't let me play a female protagonist. That is by no means a majority of players and who are you to tell someone why they should buy a product?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 octobre 2013 - 01:49 .

[Ravensword]

greengoron89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.

I disagree. I think people have become too obsessed with romances, to the point where other things like functional gameplay, coherent storytelling, etc. become secondary. They use romances as a form of escapism and wish fulfillment, or exploit romances to serve their political agendas.

I think in order to counter this, romances should simply be removed. People will be forced to appreciate the game for what it is, and not for overemphasized side content.

Hmm, now that I think of it, BW is pretty much known for their romances. Removing them outright might not be a good move. Romances are optional. You don't have to pursue a romance if you don't want to. It's not optional.

That said, Romances should be optional—as in DLC-optional. Yep. I think developing the romances makes the writing process of the characters a bit more complicated than it has to be and the fact that an inordinate amount of time is being spent on what is a tiny part of the game instead of the rest, which is by far infinitely more important than the romances. The romances are just an extra bit of fluff that enhances the experience, and if the writers are gonna poor over such a tiny portion of the game than they should, this extra feature should require the devs to work on after they've finished and polished eveything else. Then BW can be compensated for this extra bit of work that is the romance.

[Hellion Rex]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Think of it this way: If they are no romances in the vanilla game, they can charge through the nose for a DLC romance pack like Citadel.

Or the romances can be DA:I's inevitable Day One DLC.

We already have companions being day one DLC do we really need more.

Since the romances are optional content, I see no harm in not making them immediately accessible.

True enough and if they're bought seperately they can put alot more into them. ROMANCE DLC ROMANCE ALL THE THINGS

Exactly. If the romances are DLC, they can be better developed, and the core gameplay in the vanilla edition can be better developed because of one less side priority.

Everyone wins.

But why should we have to pay to get something that has always been a constant in DA games? Granted, Sebastian was a DLC romance, but it was only for femHawke. And plus, I hated the guy to boot!

[Inquisitor Recon]

The way I see it, the time and effort formerly invested into romances could be invested back into story and gameplay, with the massive benefit of less people saying "Biower let me romance ----- or ur bigots". No more threads analyzing the sweat of other species or the "hybrid" children. No more weekly topic about romancing big qunari women.

Maybe once the fires have died down and those desperate few playing for the romances have moved on, Bioware *could* consider adding one or two romances in future games if they have some importance to the story and make sense. Of course they'd have to avoid going down the same road leading to the current romance entitlement nonsense

[Ravensword]

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

It is simple. Do not partake in the romances if you don't wish to romance anyone. It is quite simple. But don't try to take away the experience from people that do want romances in the game.

I disagree. I think people have become too obsessed with romances, to the point where other things like functional gameplay, coherent storytelling, etc. become secondary. They use romances as a form of escapism and wish fulfillment, or exploit romances to serve their political agendas.

I think in order to counter this, romances should simply be removed. People will be forced to appreciate the game for what it is, and not for overemphasized side content.

Are you seriously suggesting that people don't enjoy both? 

Cause I do.

There is no one or the other. You can like more than one thing about a story.

You can loke both. No one is saying that you're one of the few who are using the romances for wish fulfillment or to exploit political agendas.

[Hellion Rex]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

The way I see it, the time and effort formerly invested into romances could be invested back into story and gameplay, with the massive benefit of less people saying "Biower let me romance ----- or ur bigots". No more threads analyzing the sweat of other species or the "hybrid" children. No more weekly topic about romancing big qunari women.

Maybe once the fires have died down and those desperate few playing for the romances have moved on, Bioware *could* consider adding one or two romances in future games if they have some importance to the story and make sense. Of course they'd have to avoid going down the same road leading to the current romance entitlement nonsense

Its not entitlement when its been a staple of the DA series since the beginning.

[Angrywolves]

There are going to be romances in DAI.
They're not going to remove the OPs say so.
Everything is devisive on the BSN.
Remove romances and the arguing continues about oyher things.
Don't need romances .
Most rpgs have at least vanilla romances..No sex scenes.
Final Fantasy is an example.
Even in the Bethesda games can't you get married ?
I know you can in some of them.
White Knight Chronicles the hero is interested in the girl and wants to rescue her. Some people like the vanilla romances.
But yes, you can make a successful rpg without them.
Can Bioware ?
We'll see.
Gaider wants to cut down on the romances .
But the OP is wasting time if he's asking Bioware to remove the romances from DAI.
Won't happen.

[Volus Warlord]

eluvianix wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Exactly. If the romances are DLC, they can be better developed, and the core gameplay in the vanilla edition can be better developed because of one less side priority.

Everyone wins.

But why should we have to pay to get something that has always been a constant in DA games? Granted, Sebastian was a DLC romance, but it was only for femHawke. And plus, I hated the guy to boot!

I think that's the wrong attitude. If the romances are a Day One DLC, you'll have to pay a little bit extra, but you'll get a lot more in-depth /fade to black than you would normally.  Think of it as a way to make romances a higher priority.

[Ryzaki]

Ravensword wrote...
You can loke both. No one is saying that you're one of the few who are using the romances for wish fulfillment or to exploit political agendas.

The post I quoted is either exaggerating a few people or believes most people are focusing on these things if not I don't see the need to have it so how dare a few people play the game for just romances. They're money isn't as good for game development as mine is! Which is silly.

And for the most part those people stay in their own threads. If you're being overly exposed to them it's because you keep going into romance threads instead of the ones you are intersted in. That's no one's fault but your own.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 octobre 2013 - 01:55 .

[Hellion Rex]

Volus Warlord wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Exactly. If the romances are DLC, they can be better developed, and the core gameplay in the vanilla edition can be better developed because of one less side priority.

Everyone wins.

But why should we have to pay to get something that has always been a constant in DA games? Granted, Sebastian was a DLC romance, but it was only for femHawke. And plus, I hated the guy to boot!

I think that's the wrong attitude. If the romances are a Day One DLC, you'll have to pay a little bit extra, but you'll get a lot more in-depth /fade to black than you would normally.  Think of it as a way to make romances a higher priority.

Wrong attitude? Why should they remove something that has been a part of the series since the beginning?

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
You can loke both. No one is saying that you're one of the few who are using the romances for wish fulfillment or to exploit political agendas.

The post I quoted is either exaggerating a few people or believes most people are focusing on these things if not I don't see the need to have it so how dare a few people play the game for just romances. They're money isn't as good for game development as mine is! Which is silly.

Silly, and beginning to get a little bit annoying.

[Steppenwolf]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Hanar, your argument is exceptionally weak. It's based on pure speculation about a writing process that you have no insight into and the notion that your opinion is the right one.

Where did I ever say my opinion was superior to another's? I simply stated that this was an opinion that was worth sharing.

Let's have a look, shall we?

The Mad Hanar wrote...

- Romances are too divisive. You will not please everyone and you are guaranteed to upset someone.
- Romances are not essential to the experience.
- Romances are not essential to character development.

You're presenting your opinions as esyablished facts. And "you will upset some people" is the dumbest possible reason to not do something. There will always be people who are upset over everything. Promoting a healthy diet upsets some people.

[Inquisitor Recon]

eluvianix wrote...
Its not entitlement when its been a staple of the DA series since the beginning.

It is entitlement if you think they need to include it, or you're one of those individuals who expects one romance fitting their personal preferences for every romance that doesn't.

[Ryzaki]

Where have the developers ever said the romances were a headache to implement?