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eluvianix wrote...

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Exactly. If the romances are DLC, they can be better developed, and the core gameplay in the vanilla edition can be better developed because of one less side priority.

Everyone wins.

But why should we have to pay to get something that has always been a constant in DA games? Granted, Sebastian was a DLC romance, but it was only for femHawke. And plus, I hated the guy to boot!


I think that's the wrong attitude. If the romances are a Day One DLC, you'll have to pay a little bit extra, but you'll get a lot more in-depth /fade to black than you would normally.  Think of it as a way to make romances a higher priority.

Wrong attitude? Why should they remove something that has been a part of the series since the beginning?


To expand its scope, and to do the concept additional justice. It's not wholesale removal, it's just DLC instead of vanilla. Nothing will stop you from getting it.

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Hanar, your argument is exceptionally weak. It's based on pure speculation about a writing process that you have no insight into and the notion that your opinion is the right one.


Where did I ever say my opinion was superior to another's? I simply stated that this was an opinion that was worth sharing.


Let's have a look, shall we?

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- Romances are too divisive. You will not please everyone and you are guaranteed to upset someone.
- Romances are not essential to the experience.
- Romances are not essential to character development.


You're presenting your opinions as esyablished facts. And "you will upset some people" is the dumbest possible reason to not do something. There will always be people who are upset over everything. Promoting a healthy diet upsets some people.


"Now, given Bioware's past 5 games, I know that there will be romances in the game, but I do feel that this is a valid opinion to share regardless. I am sure I am not the only one on this forum who feels this way."

Is what I said afterwards. I am cleary offering my own perspective and opinion here. Read my previous post in regards to your other issue.

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I think the main issue is that romances for me is that they didn't feel as optional in DA2 as they did in DAO. I couldn't really express that I considered a person a friend without flirting with them. That's how I felt anyways. It feels that romance has become an integral part of creating a friendship in Bioware games.


I think it had to do with the ever present heart icon.
And I always got the impression that (default male) Hawke was constantly leering at his companions.
That being said, I imagine they already got the romances for DAI planned out (if not partly implemented), seeing how the original launch date was set for fall this year.
I also didn't get the impression that the writers despise writing the romances - just that they disapprove of people going overboard with them.

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Also the romance threads on BSN could be alot worse.

Then again I was exposed to the HP fandom (especially the slash vs het wars. By god) and anime so yeah could be a hell of a lot worse.

I draw the line at the Tali thread though. NOPE.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

Is what I said afterwards. I am cleary offering my own perspective and opinion here. Read my previous post in regards to your other issue.


Not every opinion is valid. You just made up the notion that romances are a headache for the writers and that that headache is not worth it for them. It's baseless speculation, not an informed opinion.

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I think the issue here is less about taking risks as a writer and deciding what risks are actually worth it. Anders being an extremeist, the Mage/Templar conflict and the mistreatment of elves are all things that are integral to the overall story telling of the games and the way the Dragon Age universe is built. Romances, on the other hand, are much smaller in scope and seen by much less people who experience the main plot line. Romances are a "nice to have" which carry as much baggage and trouble as the essentials of the story. There are headaches that are necessary and there are headaches that are not necessary.


Being able to play as different genders and races isn't neccesary to experience the main plot, choices, and setting. Neither is being able to customize your character's appearance.  Should those also be removed?

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Also the romance threads on BSN could be alot worse.

Then again I was exposed to the HP fandom (especially the slash vs het wars. By god) and anime so yeah could be a hell of a lot worse.

I draw the line at the Tali thread though. NOPE.

Have you written fanfic? I thought I read one of yours before. Or at least by an author with the same name.

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I think the main issue is that romances for me is that they didn't feel as optional in DA2 as they did in DAO. I couldn't really express that I considered a person a friend without flirting with them. That's how I felt anyways. It feels that romance has become an integral part of creating a friendship in Bioware games.


I think it had to do with the ever present heart icon.
And I always got the impression that (default male) Hawke was constantly leering at his companions.
That being said, I imagine they already got the romances for DAI planned out (if not partly implemented), seeing how the original launch date was set for fall this year.
I also didn't get the impression that the writers despise writing the romances - just that they disapprove of people going overboard with them.


Yeah, if it seems like I'm trying to make a claim on what the writers want to do, that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to sort of express the situations caused by the writers inserting romances.  Though like I said, I know there will be romances in there. I am expressing why I feel they shouldn't be. I'm basically on a soapbox right now, and I'm not afraid to admit that.

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You guys can't be seriously this daft? What Dragon age needs is a everything sexual system. This system will allow everything to be romancable. If you want to hump that piece of rubble you have every damn right too.
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Romances should be a need and not a want.

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Is what I said afterwards. I am cleary offering my own perspective and opinion here. Read my previous post in regards to your other issue.


Not every opinion is valid. You just made up the notion that romances are a headache for the writers and that that headache is not worth it for them. It's baseless speculation, not an informed opinion.


> ME3 romance board.

> The amount of locked threads on this board.

Educated guess.

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Has Bioware ever made a game that didnt include companions?

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Well if you nipped that in the bud early on in Act I soon after meeting them, the only character that you couldn't do that with was Anders, and even I stopped soon after meeting him, I just took the jerk response for that conversation.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

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I think the issue here is less about taking risks as a writer and deciding what risks are actually worth it. Anders being an extremeist, the Mage/Templar conflict and the mistreatment of elves are all things that are integral to the overall story telling of the games and the way the Dragon Age universe is built. Romances, on the other hand, are much smaller in scope and seen by much less people who experience the main plot line. Romances are a "nice to have" which carry as much baggage and trouble as the essentials of the story. There are headaches that are necessary and there are headaches that are not necessary.


Being able to play as different genders and races isn't neccesary to experience the main plot, choices, and setting. Neither is being able to customize your character's appearance.  Should those also be removed?


And they weren't going to add the races until they were brought in by popular demand. The romances are in the game because they too are popular. However, they bring bad press and angry fans with them too. That's why it doesn't seem worth it to me. It's obviously worth it to the writers if they continue putting them into the game, but I wouldn't feel like it's worth it.

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From a business point of view, making romances DLC content would be a brilliant marketing move. You know people would pay top dollar to be able to romance their favorite companions and NPCs. They could also start selling "Romance Packs" for individual characters later... people would lap it up like a dog on a puddle of antifreeze.

Make it happen, EA. :wizard:


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Gaider doesn't like the romances .
Wants to cut back on them.

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And they weren't going to add the races until they were brought in by popular demand. The romances are in the game because they too are popular. However, they bring bad press and angry fans with them too. That's why it doesn't seem worth it to me. It's obviously worth it to the writers if they continue putting them into the game, but I wouldn't feel like it's worth it.


And yet the core game isn't suffering for the inclusion of races.  If the races weren't added, DAI would be released this year.  You wouldn't get an extra year of content dedicated exclusively to the main story.

And where have all the bad press and angry fans come in since they added races back in?  The response I've seen has mostly been positive.  Fans tend to get more vocal and annoyed when choices are *removed,* not when they are added.  

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

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Is what I said afterwards. I am cleary offering my own perspective and opinion here. Read my previous post in regards to your other issue.


Not every opinion is valid. You just made up the notion that romances are a headache for the writers and that that headache is not worth it for them. It's baseless speculation, not an informed opinion.


> ME3 romance board.

> The amount of locked threads on this board.

Educated guess.


And that has what to do with the writers and the writing of the romances?

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You can loke both. No one is saying that you're one of the few who are using the romances for wish fulfillment or to exploit political agendas.


The post I quoted is either exaggerating a few people or believes most people are focusing on these things if not I don't see the need to have it so how dare a few people play the game for just romances. They're money isn't as good for game development as mine is! Which is silly.

And for the most part those people stay in their own threads. If you're being overly exposed to them it's because you keep going into romance threads instead of the ones you are intersted in. That's no one's fault but your own.


Not so much. The majority of player don't even pursue the romances, and given the fact that BW has started spending a lare amount of time on a small tiny feature, it seems that the minority of people who play the games simply for the romances are being pandered to. This is BW's fault for including way too many romances in their recent games, such as Tali and Garrus–arguably the most physiologically dificult of which to have a romance w/.

The fact is that those threads are entertaining. It's fun to see the minority of romance-obsessed people demand that every companion be romanceable.

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Gaider doesn't like the romances .
Wants to cut back on them.


You keep parroting this.  If all you have to go on is that Game Informer article, that's not particularly compelling evidence.  And even if he *does* want it, it doesn't immediately follow that "David Gaider wants it.  Therefore, it will be so in the next game."  He isn't the only one making decisions about the game's direction. 

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eluvianix wrote...

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Also the romance threads on BSN could be alot worse.

Then again I was exposed to the HP fandom (especially the slash vs het wars. By god) and anime so yeah could be a hell of a lot worse.

I draw the line at the Tali thread though. NOPE.

Have you written fanfic? I thought I read one of yours before. Or at least by an author with the same name.


Harry Potter fanfic no. I've written some atrocious Persona 3 and ME fanfics though :P

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You guys can't be seriously this daft? What Dragon age needs is a everything sexual system. This system will allow everything to be romancable. If you want to hump that piece of rubble you have every damn right too.

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Romances should be a need and not a want.


Absolutely terrible screen name.

In a just world people like you would be hung, drawn, and quartered.

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[quote]The Mad Hanar wrote...

[quote]BasilKarlo wrote...

[quote]The Mad Hanar wrote...

Is what I said afterwards. I am cleary offering my own perspective and opinion here. Read my previous post in regards to your other issue.

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Not every opinion is valid. You just made up the notion that romances are a headache for the writers and that that headache is not worth it for them. It's baseless speculation, not an informed opinion.
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> ME3 romance board.

> The amount of locked threads on this board.

Educated guess.[/quote]


Wrong.

That was the fault of ONE romance thread. The Miranda thread arguing over it's interpretations of the character. That ONE thread about ONE character ruined it for everyone.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
And they weren't going to add the races until they were brought in by popular demand. The romances are in the game because they too are popular. However, they bring bad press and angry fans with them too. That's why it doesn't seem worth it to me. It's obviously worth it to the writers if they continue putting them into the game, but I wouldn't feel like it's worth it.


And yet the core game isn't suffering for the inclusion of races.  If the races weren't added, DAI would be released this year.  You wouldn't get an extra year of content dedicated exclusively to the main story.

And where has all the bad press and angry fans come in since they added races back in?  The response I've seen has mostly been positive.  Fans tend to get more vocal and annoyed when choices are *removed,* not when they are added.  


Wha- I never said that adding races was a bad thing. The fans are vocal now. There are always constant claims of favortism and there are always complaints about how romances were handled. You also pointed out something very important. The race of the character will add another dimension to the main story. Romances are off to the side.

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wolfhowwl wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

You guys can't be seriously this daft? What Dragon age needs is a everything sexual system. This system will allow everything to be romancable. If you want to hump that piece of rubble you have every damn right too.

Spoiler
Romances should be a need and not a want.


Absolutely terrible screen name.

In a just world people like you would be hung, drawn, and quartered.


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Ravensword wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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You can loke both. No one is saying that you're one of the few who are using the romances for wish fulfillment or to exploit political agendas.


The post I quoted is either exaggerating a few people or believes most people are focusing on these things if not I don't see the need to have it so how dare a few people play the game for just romances. They're money isn't as good for game development as mine is! Which is silly.

And for the most part those people stay in their own threads. If you're being overly exposed to them it's because you keep going into romance threads instead of the ones you are intersted in. That's no one's fault but your own.


Not so much. The majority of player don't even pursue the romances, and given the fact that BW has started spending a lare amount of time on a small tiny feature, it seems that the minority of people who play the games simply for the romances are being pandered to. This is BW's fault for including way too many romances in their recent games, such as Tali and Garrus–arguably the most physiologically dificult of which to have a romance w/.

The fact is that those threads are entertaining. It's fun to see the minority of romance-obsessed people demand that every companion be romanceable.


Where are you getting the large amount of time on one small feature from? Can I see a dev quote please? Plus there are other small features that get a decent unique content (Hello Dwarf Origin in DAO that only 5% of players used). You know what else is gonna be a mostly unused feature? Several of the races they're adding to DAI. Data suggests that people play humans in an overwhelming amount.

And they can easily be ignored. For the most part apart from a few crazies.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 octobre 2013 - 02:18 .