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[Snowflake_in_Hel]

I thought it might be time for a couple of pictures:




I don't care for the tights or the boots, but perhaps that was the style at the time.  To my eye, the Poleaxe looks like a weapon meant for serious business, unlike some other weapons I have seen which shall remain nameless.

Modifié par Snowflake_in_Hel, 06 octobre 2013 - 05:33 .

[Snowflake_in_Hel]

I think the armor shown in this image is elegant, believable, maybe even beautiful without being over the top.  I like the colors, red, gold and blue.

Modifié par Snowflake_in_Hel, 06 octobre 2013 - 05:32 .

[Squire]

Snowflake_in_Hel wrote...

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I don't care for the tights or the boots, but perhaps that was the style at the time.  To my eye, the Poleaxe looks like a weapon meant for serious business, unlike some other weapons I have seen which shall remain nameless.

Is that from War of the Roses? Yeah, tights (or 'hose' as they were called) were the style back in the 15th century. The weapons and armour in that game are quite accurate, I think (and the beaked hammer is lethal!!)

[Snowflake_in_Hel]

You have a good eye for armor Squire; that top image was one of my characters in WotR when I was playing that game. I did not expect anyone to be able to identify the game that the image came from.

The bottom image was something that I gathered from the net somewhere in my travels. I would give credit for it if I could, but I don't know where the image came from. Artists should watermark their stuff, that would solve the problem; just a little information along the bottom or side that would enable people to find the image again.




Wassail.
Snjarulfr.
werwulf.

Modifié par Snowflake_in_Hel, 06 octobre 2013 - 08:51 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Your second pic look like Persian-Byzantium armor...isn't it? Nice one i say....

[Boycott Bioware]

I don't mind if armor is as simple as this below (it's Persian ancient Cataphract cavalry that later adopted by Byzantium, become Katapraktoi, then become a model of medieval European Knights). It's chain mail and not even medieval

[Squire]

Mail was used for a long time, because it was so good! The Romans used it, the Celts used it, the Saxons used it, the Northmen used it, early medieval knights used it...right up until the 15th century, when plate armour started to replace it. Even then, it remained in use, I don't think it ever completely disappeared.

For some reason, though, Dragon Age has never had mail (at least not that I can remember)...although I think the tabletop game does, it's never been in the computer game. Most of the armour in Origins is either leather, scale, banded or plate. Maybe this is intentional - it could well be that Bioware decided mail was never invented, or never used by Fereldans.

[Han Shot First]

crimzontearz wrote...

renjility wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

renjility wrote...

billy the squid wrote...


Although that doesn't mean they should be running around in bondages straps and shoulder plates.

Why not?

*snip*

those are gladiators...not soldiers

They ended up fighting an entire army of Romans in basically the same outfits.

 
And they were crucified on the Via Appia

You will not see me having much simpathy for them, you know, SPQR....Civis Romanus Sum and all that jazz

Indeed.

People should know when they're conquered.

[Han Shot First]

draken-heart wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

What if Over-the-top fits the setting? I find that as long as the armor fits into the setting, I can believe it would exist if the world is like that setting.

Over the top never fit the setting, Bioware did that in DA2 to give the companions a more unique look

If it was meant to fit the setting they would've did it in DAO

The armors in origins felt less believable than some of two's "over-the-top" ones to me.

And why is that?

because this is a FANTASY setting. the idea that armor should be anywhere close to realistic/based on but alteres is dumb. Fantasy should not have armors and weapons trying to be like real world. The only reasons I wou use the "believable" amors is ther stat boost. I don't believe dragon age armors should be based at all, on real world armors except in basic function. Asthetics should not be argued when the whole world is unbelievable.

The argument that because Dragon Age is set in a fantasy setting, it must have outlandish weapon and armor designs, doesn't really hold water. There are plenty of fantasy series where the characters are armed and equipped with weapons and armor that is either realistic or closely based on real world designs.

A few examples: Lord of the Rings, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Witcher

That isn't to say that a person can't prefer outlandish weapon and armor designs. Just that the argument that fantasy = outlandish is not really true at all.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 octobre 2013 - 05:52 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Squire wrote...
Mail was used for a long time, because it was so good! The Romans used it, the Celts used it, the Saxons used it, the Northmen used it, early medieval knights used it...right up until the 15th century, when plate armour started to replace it. Even then, it remained in use, I don't think it ever completely disappeared.

For some reason, though, Dragon Age has never had mail (at least not that I can remember)...although I think the tabletop game does, it's never been in the computer game. Most of the armour in Origins is either leather, scale, banded or plate. Maybe this is intentional - it could well be that Bioware decided mail was never invented, or never used by Fereldans.

Yes, i wonder that too...not many games have chain mail armors. There is are in Oblivion, guards armors are chain mail, and closer to Knight Templar armor, I like Kavach Cuirass because of the wolf symbol on the mantle. Another model is Mithril armor, a very nice chain mail type. But Oblivion is unbalanced game, these chain mail are soon will be forgettable because of it's armor rating too low while enemies become too strong. Chain mail belong to light armor in Oblivion, in Skyrim they remove it all and Mithril is gone too.

http://www.uesp.net/...:Kvatch_Cuirass
http://www.uesp.net/...#Kvatch_Cuirass



DA:O have chain mail but not really chain mail, the light version is leather with some mail, for women the boob part is leather, and heavy one is part chain and part metal as i recall, and as usual boob part is metal

I personally don't like plate armors, I prefer chain mail, but most games give plate armor for warriors and worse boob armor for women...I think boob problem can be rid by real chain mail

Modifié par Qistina, 06 octobre 2013 - 06:11 .

[Deebo305]

I gotta ask since I'm sure you guys have seen it. What your opinion on the Inquisitor's armor from the PAX Prime demo? Just wondering what the realist crowd thought of it?

[Squire]

Qistina wrote...

I personally don't like plate armors, I prefer chain mail, but most games give plate armor for warriors and worse boob armor for women...I think boob problem can be rid by real chain mail

lol @ boob armour!!

I don't mind armour having space for breasts so much, but it does annoy me when female armour is really low cut, exposing the entire neck (which seems to me one of the main parts you want to protect), and is tighter on the waist than the average Victorian corset. Case in point: Aribeth from Neverwinter nights...while I'm sure that harness was designed for ceremonial use, I have to wonder how she can even breathe in that cuirass, let alone fight! (and I still think putting spikes on the pauldrons is a really bad idea, especially if you're going to wear your hair long)

Fortunately, this is one thing Bioware has never really done done...females' armour has always, for the most part, looked like it did its job. There are exceptions (namely the Dalish elf armour, and the aforementioned Aribeth), but generally, Bioware hasn't really been into the whole mail bikini/highly revealing armour thing so much.

Oblivion's armour does actually look reasonable, I must say - no big spaulders and no mail bikinis, or anything like that!

[CaptainBlackGold]

Ya know, this whole argument would be moot, if Bioware would let us mod their game. They don't even have to give us a tool set - just not use obscure, proprietary file formats that lock modders out.

Yeah, I know that console players are stuck with whatever the artists come up with but for those who find the armor style that big a deal, being able to mod the game would solve all the issues.

[Vilegrim]

Squire wrote...

Qistina wrote...

I personally don't like plate armors, I prefer chain mail, but most games give plate armor for warriors and worse boob armor for women...I think boob problem can be rid by real chain mail

lol @ boob armour!!

I don't mind armour having space for breasts so much, but it does annoy me when female armour is really low cut, exposing the entire neck (which seems to me one of the main parts you want to protect), and is tighter on the waist than the average Victorian corset. Case in point: Aribeth from Neverwinter nights...while I'm sure that harness was designed for ceremonial use, I have to wonder how she can even breathe in that cuirass, let alone fight! (and I still think putting spikes on the pauldrons is a really bad idea, especially if you're going to wear your hair long)

Fortunately, this is one thing Bioware has never really done done...females' armour has always, for the most part, looked like it did its job. There are exceptions (namely the Dalish elf armour, and the aforementioned Aribeth), but generally, Bioware hasn't really been into the whole mail bikini/highly revealing armour thing so much.

Oblivion's armour does actually look reasonable, I must say - no big spaulders and no mail bikinis, or anything like that!

except that having breasts on a breastplate is a dangerous flaw, you can make the breast plate  'teailored', to give more room, but a channel like that, to guide a thrust at a weak point right over the heart? Yea, bad idea.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I like these types of armor designs myself.







Practical looking, not too over the top, but still maintaining a unique deisgn and feel to them, something identifiable as part of dragon age, and not say, generic knight simulator 2013 edition.

Too bad we couldn't get these in the games, right?

[Cainhurst Crow]

edit: delayed double post.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 07 octobre 2013 - 02:32 .

[General TSAR]

Vilegrim wrote...

except that having breasts on a breastplate is a dangerous flaw, you can make the breast plate  'teailored', to give more room, but a channel like that, to guide a thrust at a weak point right over the heart? Yea, bad idea.

Not to mention the overly curved surface will get shattered by a projectile. 

[Wulfram]

Vilegrim wrote...

except that having breasts on a breastplate is a dangerous flaw, you can make the breast plate  'teailored', to give more room, but a channel like that, to guide a thrust at a weak point right over the heart? Yea, bad idea.

While that's true, I'll still take boob plate over chainmail bikini any day.  At least boob plate requires a bit of knowledge and/or thought to realise it's not a good idea.

[Boycott Bioware]

Squire wrote...
Fortunately, this is one thing Bioware has never really done done...females' armour has always, for the most part, looked like it did its job. There are exceptions (namely the Dalish elf armour, and the aforementioned Aribeth), but generally, Bioware hasn't really been into the whole mail bikini/highly revealing armour thing so much.

DA2 have get rid off heavy boob armor but still maintain DA:O light boob armor. Most of female armor in DA2 is pleasing and modestly in which nice approach by Bioware.

It just, i can see that armors are designed directly from body shape, it's like recolor the body model, I don't know, but we can see metal plate armor bend following body movement, it's like the armor is made from rubber instead of metal

[Boycott Bioware]

Darth Brotarian wrote...


Practical looking, not too over the top, but still maintaining a unique deisgn and feel to them, something identifiable as part of dragon age, and not say, generic knight simulator 2013 edition.

Too bad we couldn't get these in the games, right?

This look like the model of DA:O chail mail and scale mail. I pretty much don't like it because it look unreal. Chain mail suppose to be loosen a bit, it's like a robe actually, and scale mail is well look like scales....above model is tight, it just recolor the body model

The groin part is not real, if it's chain mail, the groin part is like you loosen your T Shirt, only that your T Shirt is made of chain mail, it is to protect your private part. Above model is impractical as armor.

What if some one with spear attacking your private part?

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Qistina wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...


Practical looking, not too over the top, but still maintaining a unique deisgn and feel to them, something identifiable as part of dragon age, and not say, generic knight simulator 2013 edition.

Too bad we couldn't get these in the games, right?

This look like the model of DA:O chail mail and scale mail. I pretty much don't like it because it look unreal. Chain mail suppose to be loosen a bit, it's like a robe actually, and scale mail is well look like scales....above model is tight, it just recolor the body model

The groin part is not real, if it's chain mail, the groin part is like you loosen your T Shirt, only that your T Shirt is made of chain mail, it is to protect your private part. Above model is impractical as armor.

What if some one with spear attacking your private part?

That's scale and splintermail first off, glad to see the sarcasm went over your head.

And your complaining about loose chainmail, in a game where peoples robes hugged to the shape of their bodies, because of tech limitations in animation.

And why are you obsessedd with the functionality of groins?

[Boycott Bioware]

This is what i mean...chain mail is like a cloth, see your private part is protected. Female version will have no boob problem because it's like wearing a cloth. The model should be made differently than body model, as much as female version of plate armor in DA2

With mantle that have symbol on it, metal glove and boot, metal helmet... this below will become beautiful in the game

[Boycott Bioware]

This is another one...like i mention before, put a (white, red, blue, pink) mantle with symbol on it, some decorated glove and boots, decorated helmet, there you got fantasy Knight Templar armor (or any heavy mail armor theme)

Modifié par Qistina, 07 octobre 2013 - 03:29 .

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I prefer the look of leather armor, most realistic armor is unadorned by detail for good reason, though that often renders it fairly boring to look at without a tabard of some sort or an ornamental breastplate.

Often a characters armor is used to reflect their personality traits or inherent abilities/skill in the fantasy genre - people subconsciously relate the lack of realistic protection to the character being so skilled in combat it is unnecessary. An over-sized weapon indicates hidden power, while large angular armor emphasizes a characters muscularity and strength or close hugging armor their agility and speed. I do think a certain sense of believability is essential though for a game like DA where people are expected to take its darker more adult themes a bit more seriously.