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[Giant ambush beetle]

Han Shot First wrote...
While all armor designs should have a pragmatic design (offering protection to vitals) as a base, many real world armors did also include artistic or stylistic flourishes that had nothing to do with protection. Whether that was feathers, spikes, horns, or horse hair plumes on helmets, muscled cuirasses or engraved art on breastplates, or painted designs on shields, armor (and shields) were not always simply utilitarian in design. This was even more true for the armor worn by nobles in many periods.

True, but those armors while being very pompous and fancy never had any features that would compromise the armors functionality and strength, like bulges in the breast plate simulating female breasts.
Take a look at Queen Elizabeth's armor, it was extremely fancy with engravings and golden applications, though it was a strong fully functional armor (not featuring boob cups).

By the way, the muscled cuirass comes from a time period where soldiers were armed with light blades and spears and armor-making wasn't as advanced as in the late middle ages. Those armors did not have to withstand huge two handed blades or heavy war hammers, thats why those designs were abandoned in the middle ages.  

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Why are we having these hypothetical discussions on boob armor and such? Bioware has demonstrated more than enough times, even in dragon age 2, that they don't make boob armor..

Because there are people who want those sexualized armors in the game. I'm offering arguments against this idea.

Modifié par The Woldan , 09 octobre 2013 - 04:55 .

[Han Shot First]

Speaking of stylistic flourishes, who else would like to see plumed or feathered helmets in DA:I?





















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[Cainhurst Crow]

I want my cool evil helmet from origins back.

[Han Shot First]

The Woldan wrote...

True, but those armors while being very pompous and fancy never had any features that would compromise the armors functionality and strength, like bulges in the breast plate simulating female breasts.

I'm not quite sure that would compromise armor. Spears and swords aren't going to be able to pierce solid steel plate if the armor is well constructed and at least of medium carbon steel. They'd be deflected off, and the strategy for the attacker is going to be try and wound his opponent in areas that are not as well protected (i.e. not covered by plate) or to get in between the joins of the armor. As heavy plate become common in the Middle Ages it was also common to carry long daggers as secondary weapons specifically for the purpose of getting in between the joints of the plate armor of an opponent that was unhorsed and/or knocked off their feet. The difficulty of getting through plate is going to be same regardless of whether the plate armor presents a flat surface or is rounded at the breasts.

Weapons that operate by delivering blunt force trauma (flails, maces, hammers, ect) are going to be a problem for someone in plate, but that is also true regardless of design.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

Speaking of stylistic flourishes, who else would like to see plumed or feathered helmets in DA:I?

While I do love all of the helmets you showed, I only think the ones quoted would fit. As much as I like the others, they wouldn't suit the setting.

Though it does make one think. Perhaps Bioware should make a fantasy RPG set in a setting inspired by Ancient history (Rome, Greece, etc).

[Squire]

Br3ad wrote...

(I've grown sick of the word cavalry.) 

Use "horse" instead then!   - after all, "cavalry" is simply a derivative of the French word "chevaux", meaning "horse".

..(plumes etc)

Sure, but I hope they don't make the armour look Roman, like the Elder Scrolls games do. I'm a bit tired of everything looking Roman-esque in fantasy games. The Romans' technology was pre-Dark Ages, and if we take most fantasy genres to be equivalent to the 15th century (which we have to if we want to include plate armour and two-handed swords), we're talking over 1000 years of developments in arms and armour. Yes, mail was still used for that whole time, but it was still refined, developed and improved.

So, please, no Corinthian helmets, hinged cheek plates, hoplite/praetorian crests, and hard leather breastplates with short skirts. And definitely, no gladii!

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'd like to see armors like we had in assassin's creed, when it was set in Renaissance Italy. Those always seemed cool to me, even if they might have been unrealistic.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I'd like to see helmets that have visors shaped like faces (masks).

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well, when in orlais....

[Vilegrim]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I'd like to see armors like we had in assassin's creed, when it was set in Renaissance Italy. Those always seemed cool to me, even if they might have been unrealistic.

Those are all fine, not historically accurate (I think, I maybe proved wrong tho) but perfectly functional and belevable looking.

[AresKeith]

I like Tevinter's armor style

[Cainhurst Crow]

I wonder what their templars look like?

[Vilegrim]

AresKeith wrote...

I like Tevinter's armor style

the sword looks bad. But the armor, sort of work especially if that is a ceremonial mask, and the silks cover brigandine or soemthing similar.

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I wonder what their templars look like?

Do they have Templars?  EDIT: They do appently. but far less powerful than the main chantries templars, hmm they would be interesting to see..Lorica and Plumed helmets? 

Modifié par Vilegrim, 09 octobre 2013 - 06:22 .

[AresKeith]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I wonder what their templars look like?

I hope something like this 

[Fardreamer]

Because there are people who want those sexualized armors in the game. I'm offering arguments against this idea.

Sexualized armors are great... why would you argue against that?  I'm also all for over the top weapons and armor.

[Cainhurst Crow]

AresKeith wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I wonder what their templars look like?

I hope something like this 

That is a really good fan art. Though I'm almost tempted to have them look like a cross between a medievil knight and a roman centurion.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I wonder what their templars look like?

I hope something like this 

That actually looks pretty cool

[DarthSideus2]

AresKeith wrote...

I like Tevinter's armor style

Nice.

[AresKeith]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I wonder what their templars look like?

I hope something like this 

That is a really good fan art. Though I'm almost tempted to have them look like a cross between a medievil knight and a roman centurion.

That sounds cool but it's probably based on the later Byzantine period, I only hope there armor looks black since Tevinter has a Black Divine

[Gwydden]

The Tenviters don't call their Divine the "Black" Divine. As far as they're concerned, theirs is the true and one Divine.

[AresKeith]

Gwydden wrote...

The Tenviters don't call their Divine the "Black" Divine. As far as they're concerned, theirs is the true and one Divine.

I didn't say they did

[Giant ambush beetle]

Fardreamer wrote...

Because there are people who want those sexualized armors in the game. I'm offering arguments against this idea.

Sexualized armors are great... why would you argue against that?  I'm also all for over the top weapons and armor.

Believability suffers greatly when characters who wear ridiculous armor that makes no sense at all participate in serious combat. This has an extremely negative impact on my gaming experience. I can't take the characters wearing that kind of armor seriously and immersion falls apart. 

I also don't find sexualized armor ''hot'' or anything like that. Metal boobs on armor? Hot? I mean, seriously? It just looks dumb, as dumb as metal dicks or butt cut-outs would look like on armor.

You know what I find sexy? A no BS female fighter who looks like she knows what she is doing. No compromise in armor, functional weapons, and tactics that make actual sense. Now thats hot. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 09 octobre 2013 - 07:42 .

[Fardreamer]

The Woldan wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

Because there are people who want those sexualized armors in the game. I'm offering arguments against this idea.

Sexualized armors are great... why would you argue against that?  I'm also all for over the top weapons and armor.

You know what I find sexy? A no BS female fighter who looks like she knows what she is doing. No compromise in armor, functional weapons, and tactics that make actual sense. Now thats hot. 

Sounds pretty boring to me.  I guess, I can see your point on it being unrealistic, but for a character that relies more on evasion or magic for defense than a wall of metal, they should be dressed sexily.  (Aka, Isabella and Morrigan)

[AresKeith]

Fardreamer wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

Because there are people who want those sexualized armors in the game. I'm offering arguments against this idea.

Sexualized armors are great... why would you argue against that?  I'm also all for over the top weapons and armor.

You know what I find sexy? A no BS female fighter who looks like she knows what she is doing. No compromise in armor, functional weapons, and tactics that make actual sense. Now thats hot. 

Sounds pretty boring to me.  I guess, I can see your point on it being unrealistic, but for a character that relies more on evasion or magic for defense than a wall of metal, they should be dressed sexily.  (Aka, Isabella and Morrigan)

Ummm no, what they should wear is lighter clothing with maybe small pieces of armor, it being sexy or not shouldn't matter in a battle

[David7204]

Regardless of many people might like to claim otherwise, this is not just a battle. It's a story. And clothing does not serve just to protect people. It serves to characterize them.