It concerns me that EA and Ubisoft will look at numbers like the above and demand certain "changes" from their more innovative or unique franchises. Also, I can't imagine that GTA5 was phenomenally more expensive to make than Mass Effect, and it was reportedly $250 million to make and market.
One could say that marketing dropped the ball for ME3. It looked like another generic bald space marine showdown that Earth/pseudo-Earth is involved in in the ads/tv spots. Also I never once saw a poster or ad for it in print/other media. GTA sells on franchise name alone, it's a culture bomb. Fox probably has advance copies of every GTA game to prepare their "controvery se-X-box?" stories.
It's not like EA is the little guy either. Say what you will about them but they are experts in their field, especially on the commercial side.
What worries me even more is 6-8hr military shooters outselling massive and intriguing games like ME3. Low investment high return.
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Mass Effect 3 $200 million as of Q4 2012, GTA5 quadruple that in 24hrs. Problems?
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 10:44
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First off, there's a lot at STEAK in this thread. And I ****in' luv steak..... .
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Also, GTA5 is a monster and a great game. ME3 is also a military shooter. Albeit not like COD or Battefield, but still there's a lot of military type stuff in ME3. Also, people don't buy COD, BF or even Halo for single player. It's all about MP- which as a considerably ammount of replay and high return value. I've played Halo 4 for almost 100 hours online. I've got another 400 hours or so in BF3. I'd call that high play value. I don't really play COD that much, but I still put in about 40 or so hours in MP for BLOPS 2.
Also, I thought Mass Effect 3 has moved nearly 7 million units, I think they've made more than 200 million on it. I'd say closer to 300 million. ME3 was a big, big game. It debut at number 1 and held that position on sales charts for nearly 2 months. I think it was very, very lucrative for EA and BioWare- much more than ME1 and more than ME2.
It's all a manner of taste. If you like Single player, character driven, deep narrative long campaigns COD, BF or Halo probably aren't your cup of tea, but that doesn't mean there's no high replay ability in them.
Man, if your comparing BF, COD and Halo's single player campaigns to Mass Effect 3 single player. Well, then... .Yeah that's a pretty easy choice. ME3 is clearly better in that perspective.
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Also, GTA5 is a monster and a great game. ME3 is also a military shooter. Albeit not like COD or Battefield, but still there's a lot of military type stuff in ME3. Also, people don't buy COD, BF or even Halo for single player. It's all about MP- which as a considerably ammount of replay and high return value. I've played Halo 4 for almost 100 hours online. I've got another 400 hours or so in BF3. I'd call that high play value. I don't really play COD that much, but I still put in about 40 or so hours in MP for BLOPS 2.
Also, I thought Mass Effect 3 has moved nearly 7 million units, I think they've made more than 200 million on it. I'd say closer to 300 million. ME3 was a big, big game. It debut at number 1 and held that position on sales charts for nearly 2 months. I think it was very, very lucrative for EA and BioWare- much more than ME1 and more than ME2.
It's all a manner of taste. If you like Single player, character driven, deep narrative long campaigns COD, BF or Halo probably aren't your cup of tea, but that doesn't mean there's no high replay ability in them.
Man, if your comparing BF, COD and Halo's single player campaigns to Mass Effect 3 single player. Well, then... .Yeah that's a pretty easy choice. ME3 is clearly better in that perspective.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 10:46
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Different genres = different size of target group.
It's simply more probable that player of RPGs will try GTA5 then that player of GTA series will try RPG.
It's simply more probable that player of RPGs will try GTA5 then that player of GTA series will try RPG.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 10:48
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How is this news? Modern military shooters have always made waaaaaaaaaaaay more money than any other genres (simply a function of target audience size), and hence big AAA publishers continue to throw out more CoD/BF clones on an annual schedule. As such, I don't think that that article will change anything because it's exactly the same as all the other sales figures.Thoughts? Discussion?
If you want innovative, you're stuck with indie games.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 11:10
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1. This is the Story and Campaign discussion board. So far approximately zero of your threads have to do with either of these things.
2. GTA is massively more known than Mass Effect. That's like wondering why Homefront sold horribly in comparison to MW2.
2. GTA is massively more known than Mass Effect. That's like wondering why Homefront sold horribly in comparison to MW2.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 11:29
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Valve files trademark for Half-Life 3 today and we are talking about GTA...
Also this.
Also this.
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GTA is massively more known than Mass Effect.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 02:27
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KevinT18 wrote...
What worries me even more is 6-8hr military shooters outselling massive and intriguing games like ME3. Low investment high return.
Thoughts? Discussion?
I'm pretty sure that GTA V is just as massive as a Bioware game when it comes to resources.
They also have tons of voice acting, a massive world and even underwater and aerial travel.
I haven't played GTA V yet, but it seems even more ambitious than the previous incarnations.
Oh, and the most important detail of all... GTA is part of a much more popular genre than ME3, RPGs will always be something of a niche group, since the general public tends to find them boring and would much rather just shoot people and race cars.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 03:02
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Gta is an rpg... hell grand theft auto 4 was more of an rpg than mass effect 3.
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For such a massively popular game, I think GTA still does it on it's own terms. Their protagonists tend to be non-traditional, the writers are privy to a lot more underground subcultures, character types, music. A lot of popular games are written by dorks who know nothing of these things. Their tastes and sensibilities tend to be mainstream.
I don't know. This doesn't really have much to do with anything here. I just don't think they should even be mentioned with military shooters and whatnot. If anything, Mass Effect is closer to those than GTA is (at least ME1 and ME3 are).
I don't know. This doesn't really have much to do with anything here. I just don't think they should even be mentioned with military shooters and whatnot. If anything, Mass Effect is closer to those than GTA is (at least ME1 and ME3 are).
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I hope some influence is taken from GTA V if only on how to keep a story driven single player campaign and how "edgy" you can be with an adult game. ME suffers in comparison to the ambition of recent competitors, and it is unfortunate because it has not kept pace with other franchises that make less noise about being "story driven" than Bioware themselves did.
Imagining GTA story style with the ME characters and having you being able to switch between them, see their situations in a timeline as setting as compelling and with the story potential of the MEU?. I would LOVE to see that sort of game in the IP, but that is just my S/P focus
Yet here we are discussing Mass Effect, not playing GTA. I think it speaks volumes of the achievements of Bioware in creating the franchise that there are those who still have an attachment to the brand, for whatever reason.
Imagining GTA story style with the ME characters and having you being able to switch between them, see their situations in a timeline as setting as compelling and with the story potential of the MEU?. I would LOVE to see that sort of game in the IP, but that is just my S/P focus
Yet here we are discussing Mass Effect, not playing GTA. I think it speaks volumes of the achievements of Bioware in creating the franchise that there are those who still have an attachment to the brand, for whatever reason.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 03:31
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GTAV that's OPEN WORLD for you! a Game you can Just Jump in! so unlike story based games where you have to follow a flow.
in GTA when you start the game immediately you run around jack cars and shoot people, you get to start to have that senseless fun much early.
in GTA when you start the game immediately you run around jack cars and shoot people, you get to start to have that senseless fun much early.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 04:53
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Azaron Nightblade wrote...
Oh, and the most important detail of all... GTA is part of a much more popular genre than ME3, RPGs will always be something of a niche group, since the general public tends to find them boring and would much rather just shoot people and race cars.
Azaron hit the nail on the head.
No RPG Is ever going to sell as many units as GTA 5.
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Wake me up when GTA turns into that 6-8hr shooter you're talking about so I can figure out what exactly GTA has to do with Mass Effect turning into CoD. Even that doesn't make sense actually. GTA's success would turn Mass Effect into a CoD?KevinT18 wrote...
What worries me even more is 6-8hr military shooters outselling massive and intriguing games like ME3. Low investment high return.
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J. Reezy wrote...
Wake me up when GTA turns into that 6-8hr shooter you're talking about so I can figure out what exactly GTA has to do with CoD and Mass Effect.KevinT18 wrote...
What worries me even more is 6-8hr military shooters outselling massive and intriguing games like ME3. Low investment high return.
GTA: San Andreas best rpg ever!!
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 05:26
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No. Vice City is.AresKeith wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Wake me up when GTA turns into that 6-8hr shooter you're talking about so I can figure out what exactly GTA has to do with CoD and Mass Effect.KevinT18 wrote...
What worries me even more is 6-8hr military shooters outselling massive and intriguing games like ME3. Low investment high return.
GTA: San Andreas best rpg ever!!
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 05:29
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Simply put GTA has an incredibly loyal and large fan base.
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A world where you can do anything, along with a multiplayer where you can do anything with you friends. Are you really surprised that a concept like that sells so well, especially considering how well they pull it off with every single installment?
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I cannot recall any BioWare game under EA that can be considered innovative, but okay, we'll roll with that.
GTA is arguably the 2nd best known franchise in the planet, behind only Call of Duty. These games sell an enormous amount of copies based on name alone, unlike BW games. Their reputation alone is more lucrative than Mass Effect as a whole has ever had. Beyond that, Grand Theft Auto appeals to a far greater demographic whilst ME attracts a comparatively miniscule group. They two series are, sales-wise, incomparable.
As to GTA and/or CoD's success making EA turn ME into a mainstream game, bollocks. BioWare has been attempting to appeal to a larger group for a while now, yes, but I don't see them making the whole jump. There's a core base of fans they won't abandon quite yet.
GTA is arguably the 2nd best known franchise in the planet, behind only Call of Duty. These games sell an enormous amount of copies based on name alone, unlike BW games. Their reputation alone is more lucrative than Mass Effect as a whole has ever had. Beyond that, Grand Theft Auto appeals to a far greater demographic whilst ME attracts a comparatively miniscule group. They two series are, sales-wise, incomparable.
As to GTA and/or CoD's success making EA turn ME into a mainstream game, bollocks. BioWare has been attempting to appeal to a larger group for a while now, yes, but I don't see them making the whole jump. There's a core base of fans they won't abandon quite yet.
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There we go.Lathrim wrote...
I cannot recall any BioWare game under EA that can be considered innovative, but okay, we'll roll with that.
GTA is arguably the2ndbest known franchise on the planet, ahead of only Call of Duty.
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Everyone I know has played at least one GTA game before. Or are the parents of said people.
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Bioware did say they were looking at Skyrim after it sold really well, so I suppose a similar situation with GTA V is possible.
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^This.J. Reezy wrote...
There we go.Lathrim wrote...
I cannot recall any BioWare game under EA that can be considered innovative, but okay, we'll roll with that.
GTA is arguably the2ndbest known franchise on the planet, ahead of only Call of Duty.
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I hope this means I can make it rain in a strip club on Omega in Mass Effect 4, increasing the Like meter of the stripper bit by bit.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Bioware did say they were looking at Skyrim after it sold really well, so I suppose a similar situation with GTA V is possible.
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J. Reezy wrote...
I hope this means I can make it rain in a strip club on Omega in Mass Effect 4, increasing the Like meter of the stripper bit by bit.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Bioware did say they were looking at Skyrim after it sold really well, so I suppose a similar situation with GTA V is possible.
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