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[CronoDragoon]

You'll have to explain that, J. Reezy. David said that better graphics make for a more immersive experience, and I agreed with him. How am I not agreeing with him? Granted it's late and I'm tired.

[SlottsMachine]

CronoDragoon wrote...

David7204 wrote...
A better looking game is a more enticing and immersive experience.

So David makes an actual point and everyone ignores and continues David bashing. 

I can safely say that graphics, good, bad, or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with my level of immersion. Also, we are getting quite close to the 'Uncanny Valley' with some of these games.

[The Night Mammoth]

Yeah, I don't know if immersion is really the way to put it. I've been immersed by games with varying levels of graphics for many years now, from the tinted pixels and 2d environment of Pokemon Red to the limits pushing Halo 4 with all its motion capture cinematics. Higher fidelity graphics is simply the natural result of improving technology and talent, this not necessarily a conscious decision being made by developers because better graphics give a definite or quantifiable improvement to games. I don't think people are more immersed today than they were, say, when Knights of the Old Republic came out.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:48 .

[Cobalt2113]

General Slotts wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

David7204 wrote...
A better looking game is a more enticing and immersive experience.

So David makes an actual point and everyone ignores and continues David bashing. 

I can safely say that graphics, good, bad, or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with my level of immersion. Also, we are getting quite close to the 'Uncanny Valley' with some of these games.

Graphics has nothing to do with your level of immersion? Why don't you try this game then...

wonder-tonic.com/wolf1d/

The only thing that's changed is the graphics, from 2D (fake 3D) to 1D. But chances are you're gonna find that a lot less immersive than the original.

Modifié par Cobalt2113, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:59 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Not as contrasting a comparison, but I actually like the way the first Mass Effect game looks more than its sequels.

[spirosz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yeah, I don't know if immersion is really the way to put it. I've been immersed by games with varying levels of graphics for many years now, from the tinted pixels and 2d environment of Pokemon Red to the limits pushing Halo 4 with all its motion capture cinematics. Higher fidelity graphics is simply the natural result of improving technology and talent, this not necessarily a conscious decision being made by developers because better graphics give a definite or quantifiable improvement to games. I don't think people are more immersed today than they were, say, when Knights of the Old Republic came out.

Ta-da. 

[spirosz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Not as contrasting a comparison, but I actually like the way the first Mass Effect game looks more than its sequels.

It seemed to fit better with the themes they had going on in ME1 and the foundation they were building upon.  

[CronoDragoon]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yeah, I don't know if immersion is really the way to put it. I've been immersed by games with varying levels of graphics for many years now, from the tinted pixels and 2d environment of Pokemon Red to the limits pushing Halo 4 with all its motion capture cinematics. Higher fidelity graphics is simply the natural result of improving technology and talent, this not necessarily a conscious decision being made by developers because better graphics give a definite or quantifiable improvement to games. I don't think people are more immersed today than they were, say, when Knights of the Old Republic came out.

If you go back and watch some of those KOTOR cutscenes, they can be really painful at times. Are we talking about strictly graphics when discussing, say, terrible cutscene animations? I think we are, insofar as "graphics" often represents the mechanical nature of the visual presentation. So yes, I think I'd be more immersed by a KOTOR with HD graphics and cutscenes that didn't look like claymation puppets on a string.

Also, I'll have to partially disagree with you that better graphics isn't an explicit goal of developers. It was a stated goal of SE when discussing the future of the Final Fantasy series, one of the self-proclaimed hallmarks of which was "cutting-edge graphics." Certainly not all developers take graphics as seriously as the Final Fantasy developers, but the desire is there for at least some companies.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 03 octobre 2013 - 05:17 .

[CronoDragoon]

J. Reezy wrote...

One hint: Wording is everything. I'm going to treat you like a relatively intelligent human being and not point out how I came to my conclusion. If you look at the sentences close enough you'll see the difference.

So your point isn't about the point, but that David has way too high an opinion of his own opinions.

Honestly, I don't agree with you that wording is everything. Even if someone is being an ass about something you should still consider whether or not there is worth in the point being made. Even if you're no longer talking to the person who made the point, but rather making a case for one side or the other on the whole. It's far too easy to dismiss arguments on the internet because someone thinks they are a badass. Fight the good fight and make a good case against it anyway.

[Cobalt2113]

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, I don't know. It's one thing to change graphics. Another to completely change a dimensional paradigm to something completely unnatural. I don't think there's one creature on this planet that is used to orienting themselves from a 1D perspective.

Funny concept though. Played for a minute.

Yeah, that's true enough. The point is though, in a visual medium like video games, your immersion is completely dependent on the graphics. Change that to something that a person isn't used to, like a 1 dimensional representation and their immersion gets snapped in half like a tiny little twig.

[AresKeith]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, I don't know. It's one thing to change graphics. Another to completely change a dimensional paradigm to something completely unnatural. I don't think there's one creature on this planet that is used to orienting themselves from a 1D perspective.

Funny concept though. Played for a minute.

Yeah, that's true enough. The point is though, in a visual medium like video games, your immersion is completely dependent on the graphics. Change that to something that a person isn't used to, like a 1 dimensional representation and their immersion gets snapped in half like a tiny little twig.

That still isn't true

[spirosz]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Yeah, I don't know. It's one thing to change graphics. Another to completely change a dimensional paradigm to something completely unnatural. I don't think there's one creature on this planet that is used to orienting themselves from a 1D perspective.

Funny concept though. Played for a minute.

Yeah, that's true enough. The point is though, in a visual medium like video games, your immersion is completely dependent on the graphics. Change that to something that a person isn't used to, like a 1 dimensional representation and their immersion gets snapped in half like a tiny little twig.

It's dependant on your age and what you're growing up with, in terms of the development of gaming.  Sure, someone who hasn't played Baldur's Gate when it was released - will more than likely not be able to become immersed or have fun, but the whole "out-dated" nonesense really depends on the individual.  

[Dubozz]

I agree with David, a better looking game is a more enticing and immersive. When I saw ME1 E3 gameplay trailer for the first time back in the 2006, I was very impressed.

Modifié par Dubozz, 03 octobre 2013 - 05:41 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

yeah about that graphics thing being important? What system are you guys running? screen size? if if if your running a rig of course?

[KaiserShep]

Heck I'd be happy too, mainly because it means I only have to pay for a new game, not a new system.

[KaiserShep]

Well at least Destiny will be on both. I'm looking forward to that one.

[Ravensword]

Damn, I'm too late!

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Look at the fallacies you all have to drive yourselves into to support your little dogmas. We're at the point where multiple people are seriously claiming that there is no reason for BioWare to improve their graphics. There's no reason to make their game look better.

What reason is there to?

Playing video games for graphic is like watching p0rn for the story

That's a pretty good analogy, lol.

David7204 wrote...

I think we're done here. I've made my point.

And David retreats w/ his tail between his legs.

[TheProtheans]

J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Look at the fallacies you all have to drive yourselves into to support your little dogmas. We're at the point where multiple people are seriously claiming that there is no reason for BioWare to improve their graphics. There's no reason to make their game look better.

What reason is there to?

Playing video games for graphic is like watching p0rn for the story

#WatchesPornForTheStory

I didn't play borderlands because it in p0rn terms is a badly shot p0rno.
Do I really want to waste my hard earned load on that?