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[AresKeith]

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

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I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

No it didn't, I like ME2 but it did not help the trilogy

[Seboist]

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

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I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

Yeah, it's TOTALLY ME3's fault that the Reapers are at the galactic gates with the galaxy no better prepared than they were at ME1's ending and us needing an asspull like the crucible in order to win.

[Massa FX]

@OP question/discussion

As others have pointed out, I think the lower sales are due to the genre. Having the MP component increased sales, so ...

Next I do believe the ending hate spread through the gaming community and affected sales.

I agree with posters that marketing for ME3 was low in comparison to other franchised games. Same publisher, different budget. Adverts for larger franchises will always get the TV ads and celebrity perks. Even if they are rpg's. Case in point WoW had Ozzy Osbourne and others pitching the game in commercials. Big budget. Big Marketing campaign.

Note: typed on a tiny android virtual keyboard. Please ignored bad grammar, punctuation and typos.

[The Night Mammoth]

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

bla bla bla

I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

It didn't make the trilogy stronger, it weakened it greatly. It the brand stronger by being a good game on its own. 

But sure, ME2 is perfect 'in its own way'. That's not a get-out of potential criticisms at all. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:54 .

[Massa FX]

AresKeith wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

bla bla bla

I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

No it didn't, I like ME2 but it did not help the trilogy

Ok. But this thread isnt about ME2. Can the derailment of this thread stop now?

[CronoDragoon]

Massa FX wrote...

Ok. But this thread isnt about ME2. Can the derailment of this thread stop now?

This thread isn't about anything that belongs in the Story Discussion forum, so nah. Derail away. The derailments are at least appropriate to the forum.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:02 .

[Mr.House]

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

bla bla bla

I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

Of course it is, it gave you your waifu.

[wolfhowwl]

Seboist wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

bla bla bla

I believe you're wrong. 

ME2 is perfect the way it is and it only made the trilogy stronger. ME3's issues are because of ME3 and it alone. 

Yeah, it's TOTALLY ME3's fault that the Reapers are at the galactic gates with the galaxy no better prepared than they were at ME1's ending and us needing an asspull like the crucible in order to win.

Besides spending an entire game on a sideplot, ME2 also actively worked to sabotage galactic preparation with the "ah yes reapers" business. The worse thing about was that it was such a clumsy, destructive way to justify Shepard being forced to work with Cerberus when they could have easily come up with alternative reasons that didn't render everyone else in the galaxy into (even bigger) morons.

But for the reapers being "at the galactic gates," that one is probably on ME3.

From what I remember, while the vanilla ME2 didn't do anything for the reaper plot, it didn't set any time limit that would force Bioware to have the reaper invasion at a certain point either. The ending of ME2 showed the Reapers to be well outside the galaxy. We knew nothing about how much time it would take them to close the distance, for plot purposes it could be anything.

But then along comes the Arrival DLC and the Reapers were suddenly about to invade the galaxy and that was billed as "bridging content" to ME3. It was released less than nine months before ME3's original release date and pretty much had to have been made well after Bioware decided to have the Reapers invade in the intro of ME3. In hindsight that was a major self-inflicted injuries as the game now had to clean up ME2's mess by gathering allies and finding a way to defeat the Reapers while simultaneously handling the Reaper invasion.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 03 octobre 2013 - 10:24 .

[AlanC9]

wolfhowwl wrote..

But then along comes the Arrival DLC and the Reapers were suddenly about to invade the galaxy and that was billed as "bridging content" to ME3. It was released less than nine months before ME3's original release date and pretty much had to have been made well after Bioware decided to have the Reapers invade in the intro of ME3. In hindsight that was a major self-inflicted injuries as the game now had to clean up ME2's mess by gathering allies and finding a way to defeat the Reapers while simultaneously handling the Reaper invasion.

What's the alternative, though? Have the Reapers invade halfway through ME3? Would that actually fix anything?

[KotorEffect3]

J. Reezy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

No, it didn't. It only affects one NPC and the genophage can be cured without it.

Sure, but whether or not Eve is alive can have significant consequences concerning the race direction of the krogan.

It can, but it doesn't.

Actualy it does, and use a normal avatar for crying out loud.

[shockky]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

No, it didn't. It only affects one NPC and the genophage can be cured without it.

Sure, but whether or not Eve is alive can have significant consequences concerning the race direction of the krogan.

It can, but it doesn't.

Actualy it does, and use a normal avatar for crying out loud.

Please calm down, Miss. Someone using a custom avatar is hardly something to get your knickers in a twist over.

[Br3admax]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

No, it didn't. It only affects one NPC and the genophage can be cured without it.

Sure, but whether or not Eve is alive can have significant consequences concerning the race direction of the krogan.

It can, but it doesn't.

Actualy it does, and use a normal avatar for crying out loud.

Do you have proof? Also hating on custom avatars is stupid. Even in a joke. 

[o Ventus]

Br3ad wrote...

Do you have proof? Also hating on custom avatars is stupid. Even in a joke. 

The EC.

Cure the krogan? They repopulate.
Sabotage the cure? I'm actually not sure what it shows.
Sabotage the cure and keep the rachni? The rachni move in after the krogan go extinct.

It's not a particularly good representation, but it does have SOME meaning.

[The Night Mammoth]

o Ventus wrote...

Sabotage the cure? I'm actually not sure what it shows.

It shows Tuchanka as a wasteland. 

[Br3admax]

o Ventus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Do you have proof? Also hating on custom avatars is stupid. Even in a joke. 

The EC.

Cure the krogan? They repopulate.
Sabotage the cure? I'm actually not sure what it shows.
Sabotage the cure and keep the rachni? The rachni move in after the krogan go extinct.

It's not a particularly good representation, but it does have SOME meaning.

No, I mean Bakara living. 

[N7recruit]

Well OP, RockStar are fantastic developers who have the backing of a very good publisher, being Take 2. + the fact that they had 5 years & 260 MILLION DOLLARS to develop the game, which really shows in the Quality of GTA 5.

The GTA series is arguably bigger than COD in terms of brand recognition & that's really saying something. Mass Effect won't be reaching those sales numbers anytime soon, if ever.


Now as to the other topic of discussion, Bioware really dropped the ball in the second game with a main plot that **** & ME3 could't recover from it. Add to the fact that ME3's plot has more **** in it than it does Good, then we are really in trouble.

[Bleachrude]

What I can't understand is why GTA V doing well means that OTHER games are doing poorly.

There is simply no way that every game released will have GTA level of sales.

[Bleachrude]

Seboist wrote...

and the biggest slight of them all being ME2's ending and Arrival DLC completely nullifying ME1's plot(If Reaepers can just fly here in two years with no drawbacks then what's the point of ME1?).

Should be noted that at the END of ME1, Shepard unequivocally states that the reapers are coming...this wasn't Me2's fault as all...

[AlexMBrennan]

Should be noted that at the END of ME1, Shepard unequivocally states that the reapers are coming

Which was, you know, pure speculation on his part - for all we knew he had just dug up a prothean version of "Independence Day". Even in ME2, it's only the omniscient narrator POV that sees the Reapers powering up and it would not have been inconceivable that it might take the Reapers millennia to get here giving us ample time to prepare.

[Ravensword]

Ah, KotoEffect's dislike of custom avatars is a hoot. Bonus points for actually demanding that users w/ custom avatars use the stock avatars.

Modifié par Ravensword, 04 octobre 2013 - 03:17 .