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Hawke and warden DAI: Give bioware a chance


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IS IT POSSIBLE OR NOT? LETS DISCUSS!!!


Ok I realize that most of you are concerned about them putting your hawk or your warden in the game. The main concern appears to be weather or not bioware can import your real characters and not just some cheap knock off the person you put hours and hours of time into. What if the beings they import only look like are characters and that's it. What if the personality, the emotions, the feel, and even the voice they appear with is not of your precious hawke or warden?

For example my warden was the best character I have ever made in a video game. He was not technically evil, but he was not good either and this is how I wanted him to be. When he was faced with the decision on weather or not to side with the dalish elves or the werewolves he sided with the latter. He did this simply because and I quote "A werewolf army is more useful to me". He did anything it took to win. He was violent, harsh, and straightforward. But most of all OBSESSED with power and did anything it took to gain it. He made Lord Balen king despite the fact that Balen was clearly an evil douche bag. But since Balen would let my warden have and army of stone golems he sided with him. Plus he "wanted his face on one of those big statues". The only person my warden truly cared about was morrigan because she was just like him. But even then he also saw Morrigan as a potential opportunity to gain more power. Which turned out to be the jackpot because she was not only going to save his life but make him the father of a OLD GOD BABY!!.

So with that being said I would also be crushed if bioware imported some cheap knock of Aizen (my wardens name). How would they do it? I don't know. But what I do know is that they are doing the same thing they did with the questions of weather or not we could play as a qunari or weather or not we could import our worlds from the first two games. when they were asked that question they would simply say "we cant answer that right now". But as we all know they gave us what we wanted. they have been asked about hawke and warden and have gave the same answer.

Now this is just my opinion but I think that they want to put them in the game but they are concerned about the same problems you guys are. and just like what they did with qunari and importing they are trying to find a way to not only get it done but get it done right. so until then they wont answer any questions regarding hawke and warden being in DAI. So now ask yourself if bioware could find a way to bring the character into DAI without messing them up would you want them in?

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David Gaider

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AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.


Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

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David Gaider

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Darth Brotarian wrote...
How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?


I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.

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Allan Schumacher

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A King-Consort is not a King, thus not a monarch. The modern equivalent is the US's "First Lady." Significant in some respects, sometimes ceremonially and even with possible political involvement. But not in line for the office.


I have seen this come up in the past. It's important to note that Ferelden doesn't work like say, Europe's feudal system. Anora would be a Queen-Consort herself (most Queens in European history were actually Queen-Consorts) but in Ferelden she takes power after King Cailan's death as opposed to looking for someone else of Cailan's bloodline.

(At least this is the way I saw it.  If people have lore corrections for me that show that marrying a ruler results in different succession depending on role feel free to fire it at me here)

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:33 .


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But in fairness, they did a great job with HK-47 showing up prior to that.


HK-47 isn't the player though, so there's no imagination that has the player run off and do all sorts of wonderful (or dastardly) things. Though part of the problem with Revan is that Revan WAS canonized, which I think immediately put him behind the 8 ball in terms of acceptance.

Though just as a reminder as a Buzz Killington, while it's fun to imagine "what if" and the like, just don't let your imagination run off because this game's protagonist is still the Inquisitor, not the Warden nor Hawke. I have seen some get really excited about how it could all work together and be elaborate and awesome, and I just want to help manage expectations because that will likely lead to disappointment.

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Taleroth wrote...
Don't they always say that, though?

But then they treat some choices as trivial so ignore it, they forget another choice, a bug causes this yet other choice to be skipped over, and another choice you made is rendered irrelevant by happening anyway when you're not looking. And at the end they say "the choice you made didn't do what you thought."

There's a list of choices they have failed to respect for one reason or another. Why would our PC be an exception?


It won't be. The DA Keep should ensure that import bugs are a thing of the past, but there are always going to be items that people will believe we didn't respect enough-- by rendering irrelevant or what have you. Ideally that's not the same as actively contradicting a choice, but there will probably be no shortage of people who will read into the tone of a line to extract meaning not said (like those who held up the tone Leliana spoke some of her lines in DA2 as proof she now hated mages) or who will claim "my character wouldn't do/say that" even if motivation never comes up at all.

We'll do our best, but considering some like yourself say they just don't trust us that's hardly going to assuage your fears-- some people are going to spend their time imagining the absolute worst way we could do this, assume that's what we're going to do, and then demand we disprove their fears immediately lest the lack of disproving be taken as confirmation... which we will not do. So you'll just have to wait and see how it turns out, or panic in the meantime, whichever is your preference.

Not to sound insensitive, but that is simply how it is-- "preorder canceled!" declarations notwithstanding. ;)