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[Rawgrim]

I have no problem with seeing any of them. Bioware made it clear early on that both are considered NPCs afteir respective games. I would even be ok with both being corpses dangling from a tree.

[Conquerthecity]

I don't really care if they appear. I never considered The Warden or Hawke to be my character.

[boraxalmighty]

The warden I think should remain a character heard about rather than seen. Hawke on the other hand I could as an involved NPC, or even a companion. I would love the banter between my Hawke and Varric.

[Rawgrim]

So...if Hawke is in the game, and he sided with the mages in DA2...And our Inquisitor is firmly behind the templars. Maybe we have to kill Hawke as part of the plot, if things goes astray. Hawke, given wich side he picked, can very much end up being an adversary in the game. Something to consider. I belive the devs said wich side he picked would be important.

[n7stormrunner]

I'm going call it, no matter what bioware does it's not going to go over well. welll maybe hawke but the warden is just a bunch of backlash waiting to happen.

[Gold Dragon]

There is ONLY one true way that the Warden Commander of Fereldan can make an appearance.  At least, without destroying the character outright.

And that is to be a playable character.  Meaning that we control the WC as we did in Origins (and/or Hawke in DA 2).  Which I think might well destroy the plot of DA:Inquisition.

No.  Codex Entries only for the Warden & Hawke in Inquisition.  But the possibility remains that DA 4 or 5 could be their return (Assuming that the WC actually survived Origins or is the Orlesian warden from Awakening).

My favourite Canon WC (Elyndra Therin) is actually Queen of Fereldan.  And more loyal to her husband and brother.  Unless the threat to them is extreme, Both the King of Fereldan and the Teyrn of Highever know exactly what she's up to.

Getting them to talk might be a bit of a hassle, of course.  Even for Leliana, who is and remains a close friend.

Neria Surana & Selena Amell, My canon Mage Wardens might not tell Alistair, but disapearing would be difficult as both are serving the crown as Chancellor.

Theron, the Dalish Elf Hunter, wouldn't bother with Alistair.  When not serving as a Warden, he returned to his clan.  After Awakening, he stayed in Ostagar until he found out about the other Dalish snooping about Flemeth's old hut.  Unfortunately, Shortly after Witch Hunt, he vanished.

The final Canon Warden, Kaliana Tabris, never vanished.  Her whereabouts are quite well known.  She's in a Mausoleum in Weishaupt, Since she told off Morrigan.

Hawke?  Wherever Anders is, she's likely not too far away.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:51 .

[x-aizen-x]

for those of you saying that you just want cameos and storys about Hawke and warden I understand. but I still want them as followers.

however for those of you saying you never formed any attachment to neither your hawke or your warden... you have no soul.

[Vit246]

NO.

Just do what KOTOR II did. Mention Revan in passing.

[ScarMK]

x-aizen-x wrote...

for those of you saying that you just want cameos and storys about Hawke and warden I understand. but I still want them as followers.

however for those of you saying you never formed any attachment to neither your hawke or your warden... you have no soul.

They might let you see them in person or even talk to them.  But I guarantee you they won't be followers.

[AutumnWitch]

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

[Clockwork_Wings]

dalyeau wrote...

I think the best bet for an actual appearance of the Warden (if they survived) would be watching them at the front of some army, gesturing as if pep talking them, far enough so that you dont get to see actual expressions or hear their voice, so people won't complain about those. Though I'm sure they'd find a way to complain about the gesturing being OOC for their Warden, etc., that's as best as it can get if we're talking about a cameo, in my opinion.

In case of Hawke, it'd be way easier to give them a cameo staying somewhat true to their character, since Hawke's personality is easier to predict based on the DA2 system. They could just stick to one line or two in the dominant tone of the Hawke you imported/the dominant tone you chose for Hawke in the Dragon Age Keep. Still, obviously there will be people complaining about this too, but I guess that when it comes to cameo Hawke would be more acceptable than the Warden.

I personally would love to see both and hear them speak (and even see them with their LI's) but I get that it's a loooong shot and for every person that likes it there will be a gazillion who won't, so I don't keep my hopes up or anything. Just some mentions will be fine with me.

That was my thought.  Perhaps we find out where they dissappeared to, and during the endgame (a battle for Denerim-type-scenerio, perhaps) we get a cutscene about the battle going badly....BUT IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY!  The Hero and the Champion are here!  Cue cutscreen of them leading their own armies....

[happy_daiz]

Ferretinabun wrote...

People are making far too much of this 'Hawke and Warden in DA:I' thing.

I'm pretty sure Bioware have promised us no such thing. I doubt we'll get more than a few lines' mention of them, if that.

Don't get your hopes/back up.

^ This.

It secretly pleases me that this topic keeps coming up. The tears will be delicious when we find our Wardens and Hawkes dead in a ditch. Together. 

Modifié par happy_daiz, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:02 .

[Jaulen]

happy_daiz wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

People are making far too much of this 'Hawke and Warden in DA:I' thing.

I'm pretty sure Bioware have promised us no such thing. I doubt we'll get more than a few lines' mention of them, if that.

Don't get your hopes/back up.

^ This.

It secretly pleases me that this topic keeps coming up. The tears will be delicious when we find our Wardens and Hawkes dead in a ditch. Together. 

You are EVIL!


But with how many people that don't understand that yes, the Warden and Hawke were 'your' character while you were playing them (and only then), and anything that has been headcanoned about them either in-game or after-game that was never explicityly stated by the developers just.doesn't.exist in the in-game world and is fair game for Bioware to touch. it would be better for them to just be a codex entry or mentioned by an NPC. (even then.....I'm calling the BSN-rage from people that will STILL say...."There's NO WAY! MY warden would be doing that/going there/travelling with them. Because me warden is married to Alistair/went through the mirror/trying to find Zevran in Antiva/travelling Par Vollen/wandering the wilderness/going to their calling etc etc etc"

All I know about my Warden (for the ones that survived) is that after a short period of time they disappeared.....anything that I THINK that happened to them is all in my head and SPECULATION.....I don't actually KNOW what happened to the Warden until Bioware tells me what happened to them.

As for Hawke, they disappeared....and same thing with Hawke as with the Warden.....anything I think happened is just specualtion. I have no knowledge of what actually happened to them until Bioware tells me.

Modifié par Jaulen, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

I suspect my warden disappeared when he went through the eluvian, or when she read the book Morrigan left her. Where they went and what they're doing there is up in the air at the moment. Hawke...I don't know. I don't think Varric knows. Or maybe he does and he didn't tell the seeker, but by that point I don't think he was omitting much.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Did somebody say revan boss fight?

[David Gaider]

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

[Cainhurst Crow]

How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

[Clockwork_Wings]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

This post makes me very happy.

I still hope it'll be surprise if, when, where, and what context they appear.  I want that controller-dropping feeling of having just seen Fenris after playing a white-haired, male elf warden in the previous game.

[Jaulen]

David Gaider wrote...

*snip*

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

I feel like sending you cookies.

Modifié par Jaulen, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:57 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

I'm hoping part of the keep will allow you to design, redesign, and tweak your wardens and Hawkes.  Sort of like how in ME2 and ME3 I had the option of reclassing and redesigning Shepherd. 

One day I'm going to do a run where I completely redesign Shephered, appearance, class, and all so that when Cereberus says they wanted Shepherd as s/he was, not a clone, but the real thing, I can go, "YES BUT YOU FAILED."

[Nefla]

So they're actually in the game then? I didn't see that coming. I always thought it was fans reading too much into things and that we'd get a few references at most. I admit this isn't something I want but hopefully it's at least better than Revan in SWtOR (though I don't see how it could be worse). I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I knew they'd have a presence of some sort. They're important people. I was surprised playing an Amell warden didn't get a bigger response in DA2. They could have at least had Teagan in Mark of the Assassin say, "You look a good deal like the Hero," instead of "Champion." Or Anders going, "So that's you're cousin? Sounds like there is greatness in your blood."

[David Gaider]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.