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[Clockwork_Wings]

David Gaider wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::D:lol::lol::lol:

I'm all exited.  Can we start preordering now?  This may be the first game I've ever spent money on getting the special edition and didn't regret it after playing it.

[Jaulen]

David Gaider wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.

Dang. Now I'm even more excited for this game than I already was.

The possibility that Warden and/or Hawke may actually physically be in game?
(not the only thing I'm excited about)

I need a time machine so I can fast-forward a year.....

Added: I agree with Clockwork......*tosses money at screen* Let me preorder NOW!!!!!!

Modifié par Jaulen, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:13 .

[berelinde]

It would take something pretty wild and irrational to ruffle my feathers about Hawke or the Warden, and I don't see that happening. I never invented any kind of elaborate epilogue for them in my head, so as long as my fanatically pro-mage Hawke didn't join Lambert's templars and go around viciously slaughtering the people he worked for ten years to save, I'll be happy. The extent of my plans for him are "He's off doing revolutionary things with Anders." That encompasses a lot on its own, but if that isn't what DAI has him doing, I'm OK with turning my headcanon into an AU. As long as it doesn't contradict stuff he did in game, which doesn't seem to be happening.

[jtav]

Let me clarify what I am and am not concerned about> I don't care about whether my Hawke is with my LI and living with two adorable kids. (please no, actually). The nature of the disappearance seems to point against that. It's character traits permitted to me by the game like, say, being pro-Chantry and deeply pious for one Hawke and being very pro-mage and nagical power to the point of blood magic and siding with Janeka for another, that I worry about. Obviously, you can't show everything, but it's important that these kinds of things not be contradicted, I didn't even recognize most of my Shepards in ME3, and that's not something I want to go through again. So, do I need to panic/give up on DA?

[WardenWade]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Though much on this is still being investigated as you have mentioned, the bolded makes me want to do the opposite of panic   I'm open, and looking forward to seeing what's next.

Modifié par WardenWade, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:48 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

I was never terribly worried about what capacity they would show. They left a lot of ambiguity as to what they're doing. I'm under the impression my warden either disappeared because he went through the eluvian or she's doing....whatever Morrigan left that book for. Hawke I gathered went to ground because of the templars, but I also feel like the two met up at some point, with the warden like, "Look at this book...we've got to do something about this!"

One I would like to see is Morrigan reacting accordingly to your choices in Witch Hunt. If your warden tells Arianni he wants to find Morrigan because she took his child eliciting a different reaction from telling Arianni you plan to kill her, and joining her in the eluvian elicits a different reaction from stabbing her, or staying behind.

[WardenWade]

David Gaider wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
How good is the face import system from dragon age to dragon age 2 than going into inquisition?

I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accurancy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done.

Though much of this is still up in the air as you mentioned, it is very interesting to consider.  Thank you for weighing in on this.

[Iakus]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

I don't know about "panic" but yeah, this makes me extremely nervous.

I mean, I already lost Shepard...

[Yalision]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

I'm super excited with the idea that they may appear. Do it Bioware! My Warden is dead anyway and I'm far less connected to Hawke =P

[Cutlass Jack]

David Gaider wrote...

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Considering you (not specifically you, but rather the series) have yet to do even a former companion cameo that successfully managed to thrill the very people who would be excited by such a cameo the most, I'd say its a good time for everyone to panic. Because it absolutely will go wrong shoehorning a former PC in. Heck it even went terrible putting in 'Varric Hawke' at the beginning of DA2 and the player hadn't even created the character yet.


Stick to tavern rumors, not appearances. You'll wish you listened.

[Taleroth]

I've given trust, I think this time it's due some caution.

If Gaider would suggest panic, however, I can accommodate.

[happy_daiz]

David Gaider wrote...
Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

*snip*

Do you know what you've just done?

The cat is out of the bag.
The beans have been spilled.
One's guts have been spilled.
One's hand has been tipped.
You can't un-ring a bell.

The end is nigh!

Modifié par happy_daiz, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:59 .

[wright1978]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Considering you (not specifically you, but rather the series) have yet to do even a former companion cameo that successfully managed to thrill the very people who would be excited by such a cameo the most, I'd say its a good time for everyone to panic. Because it absolutely will go wrong shoehorning a former PC in. Heck it even went terrible putting in 'Varric Hawke' at the beginning of DA2 and the player hadn't even created the character yet.


Stick to tavern rumors, not appearances. You'll wish you listened.

My panic circuits are being primed for engagement. Can't see this ending well for Hawke/Warden.

I echo the above, preferring rumours of antics over appearances.

Modifié par wright1978, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:04 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

I look forward to see what capacity they will be seen in. Will we visit a warden keep, and see the warden-commander addressing their men? Will the warden-commander appear, if the hero died? Will we join them on a quest, like Murder of Crows, Finding Nathanial, or the one with Grunt and the rachni in ME3? Will Hawke be leading apostates/templars?

I just don't know, and I don't want to until my inkossithor stumbles across them in my first playthrough. In fact, I recommend just leaving that part out entirely of promotional material.

[AlexanderCousland]

Since they are bringing my guys back I just want them to recognize ALL landsmeet & romance descision' s. My Warden romanced Morrigan & Leliana (yes you can) and married Anora became Teryn of Gwaren/King-Consort (Yes King, just like Anora announces to the Landsmeet). I'd like to see at least a small amount of reactivity concerning said descions, but More on the political side of thing's...like...Im not under the impression my Warden can be a bad King, I'd like to see bioware challenge that perception and make me replay Origins to see if I can make the "right descisions".

[Clockwork_Wings]

FreshIstay wrote...

Since they are bringing my guys back I just want them to recognize ALL landsmeet & romance descision' s. My Warden romanced Morrigan & Leliana (yes you can) and married Anora became Teryn of Gwaren/King-Consort (Yes King, just like Anora announces to the Landsmeet). I'd like to see at least a small amount of reactivity concerning said descions, but More on the political side of thing's...like...Im not under the impression my Warden can be a bad King, I'd like to see bioware challenge that perception and make me replay Origins to see if I can make the "right descisions".

I agree.  I've also pointed out that if your Cousland married into royalty then that means they dissappear and leave Fereldan without a monarch.  Someone rebutted by pointing out that they still have Alistair or Anora, which makes sense, especially with Anora, but I can't see the king/queen dissappearing one morning to be a good thing, or something that would go ignored.  It would hit the economy, people would worry, and other nations would be considering invading while Fereldan is weak.

That is a political aspect I'd like to see.

[Taleroth]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Since they are bringing my guys back I just want them to recognize ALL landsmeet & romance descision' s. My Warden romanced Morrigan & Leliana (yes you can) and married Anora became Teryn of Gwaren/King-Consort (Yes King, just like Anora announces to the Landsmeet). I'd like to see at least a small amount of reactivity concerning said descions, but More on the political side of thing's...like...Im not under the impression my Warden can be a bad King, I'd like to see bioware challenge that perception and make me replay Origins to see if I can make the "right descisions".

I agree.  I've also pointed out that if your Cousland married into royalty then that means they dissappear and leave Fereldan without a monarch.  Someone rebutted by pointing out that they still have Alistair or Anora, which makes sense, especially with Anora, but I can't see the king/queen dissappearing one morning to be a good thing, or something that would go ignored.  It would hit the economy, people would worry, and other nations would be considering invading while Fereldan is weak.

That is a political aspect I'd like to see.

A King-Consort is not a King, thus not a monarch. The modern equivalent is the US's "First Lady." Significant in some respects, sometimes ceremonially and even with possible political involvement. But not in line for the office.

Modifié par Taleroth, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:18 .

[Ieldra]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Fair enough. For me it is important to see that the DAI team thinks about these things and aims to respect our decisions in past games. However, the devil lies in the details in this. Decisions carry implications for the character who makes them, which differ greatly between players - and even more so between writers and players. For me, it is not just important that, say, Hawke's siding with the mages is recognized, it is as important that DAI does not contradict him being of one of various kinds of person who would make such a decision. As I mentioned in another thread, a Hawke who sided with the mages in DA2 is not necessarily generally pro-mage. If DAI limits itself to recognize the decision, fine, but if it starts drawing conclusions about Hawke beyond that things get more than a little tricky.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .

[AlexanderCousland]

wright1978 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Considering you (not specifically you, but rather the series) have yet to do even a former companion cameo that successfully managed to thrill the very people who would be excited by such a cameo the most, I'd say its a good time for everyone to panic. Because it absolutely will go wrong shoehorning a former PC in. Heck it even went terrible putting in 'Varric Hawke' at the beginning of DA2 and the player hadn't even created the character yet.


Stick to tavern rumors, not appearances. You'll wish you listened.

My panic circuits are being primed for engagement. Can't see this ending well for Hawke/Warden.

I echo the above, preferring rumours of antics over appearances.

If they do it well and satisfy a customer like me who wants to see their former PC's, there will inevitably be people like you who didnt want to see it. So whatever they do they can't win, I personally think their appearances are going to be in some form of DLC.

[maliluka]

Well if I don't like the way the former me (ie warden/hawke) is acting should I run across them in DAI, I will just assume they are either delusional or drunk...stress can have that effect you know.

[Iakus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fair enough. For me it is important to see that the DAI team thinks about these things and aims to respect our decisions in past games. However, the devil lies in the details in this. Decisions carry implications for the character who makes them, which differ greatly between players. For me, it is not just important that, say, Hawke's siding with the mages is recognized, it is as important that DAI does not contradict him being of one of various kinds of person who would make such a decision. As I mentioned in another thread, a Hawke who sided with the mages in DA2 is not necessarily generally pro-mage. If DAI limits itself to recognize the decision, fine, but if it starts drawing conclusions about Hawke beyond that things get more than a little tricky.

I actually have two Hawkes who sided with the mages.

One was pro-mage from the get-go and defended them every chance he had.
One was actually pro-templar and tended to side with them (the only Hawke I got full friendship with Fenris )  But in the end, sided with the mages to save Bethany.

How would their personalities be interpreted?

[AlexanderCousland]

Taleroth wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Since they are bringing my guys back I just want them to recognize ALL landsmeet & romance descision' s. My Warden romanced Morrigan & Leliana (yes you can) and married Anora became Teryn of Gwaren/King-Consort (Yes King, just like Anora announces to the Landsmeet). I'd like to see at least a small amount of reactivity concerning said descions, but More on the political side of thing's...like...Im not under the impression my Warden can be a bad King, I'd like to see bioware challenge that perception and make me replay Origins to see if I can make the "right descisions".

I agree.  I've also pointed out that if your Cousland married into royalty then that means they dissappear and leave Fereldan without a monarch.  Someone rebutted by pointing out that they still have Alistair or Anora, which makes sense, especially with Anora, but I can't see the king/queen dissappearing one morning to be a good thing, or something that would go ignored.  It would hit the economy, people would worry, and other nations would be considering invading while Fereldan is weak.

That is a political aspect I'd like to see.

A King-Consort is not a King, thus not a monarch. The modern equivalent is the US's "First Lady." Significant in some respects, sometimes ceremonially and even with possible political involvement. But not in line for the office.

Yea. Technically correct. BUT My Warden is still a Teryn modern equivalent to Vice President or Attorney General, and Also a Hero to Fereldan people and recognized as a ruler of Fereldan by people in DA2 (Bohdan, & Lady you have to ask about Anders,) and a King by Leliana.  I dont think the technicalities of the Title really matter much to common folk. Elizabeth Woodville was a Consort, history still recognizes her as a Queen.

[Ieldra]

iakus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fair enough. For me it is important to see that the DAI team thinks about these things and aims to respect our decisions in past games. However, the devil lies in the details in this. Decisions carry implications for the character who makes them, which differ greatly between players. For me, it is not just important that, say, Hawke's siding with the mages is recognized, it is as important that DAI does not contradict him being of one of various kinds of person who would make such a decision. As I mentioned in another thread, a Hawke who sided with the mages in DA2 is not necessarily generally pro-mage. If DAI limits itself to recognize the decision, fine, but if it starts drawing conclusions about Hawke beyond that things get more than a little tricky.

I actually have two Hawkes who sided with the mages.

One was pro-mage from the get-go and defended them every chance he had.
One was actually pro-templar and tended to side with them (the only Hawke I got full friendship with Fenris )  But in the end, sided with the mages to save Bethany.

How would their personalities be interpreted?

The desirable way to handle that would be to scrupulously avoid putting words into Hawke's mouth which hint at motivations for making a specific decision or explicitly mention such motivations. if Hawke is asked, maybe saying something like "Meredith was mad" would work since it's canonically true and can be delivered suggestively enough of deeper reasons which may remain unmentioned.

[Taleroth]

FreshIstay wrote...

Yea. Technically correct. BUT My Warden is still a Teryn modern equivalent to Vice President or Attorney General, and Also a Hero to Fereldan people and recognized as a ruler of Fereldan by people in DA2 (Bohdan, & Lady you have to ask about Anders,) and a King by Leliana.  I dont think the technicalities of the Title really matter much to common folk. Elizabeth Woodville was a Consort, history still recognizes her as a Queen.

It's not a technicality in this context. Clockwork claims that the Consort leaving leaves the nation without a monarch. Elizabeth Woodville was never a monarch.

[Allan Schumacher]

A King-Consort is not a King, thus not a monarch. The modern equivalent is the US's "First Lady." Significant in some respects, sometimes ceremonially and even with possible political involvement. But not in line for the office.

I have seen this come up in the past. It's important to note that Ferelden doesn't work like say, Europe's feudal system. Anora would be a Queen-Consort herself (most Queens in European history were actually Queen-Consorts) but in Ferelden she takes power after King Cailan's death as opposed to looking for someone else of Cailan's bloodline.

(At least this is the way I saw it.  If people have lore corrections for me that show that marrying a ruler results in different succession depending on role feel free to fire it at me here)

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:33 .