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[AtreiyaN7]

I'm actually okay with seeing the Warden and/or Hawke as actual NPCs - especially if it leads to an interesting side quest or adds to the overarching story - but I'm aware that other people are a bit on the fanatically devoted side with regards to their Wardens/Hawkes. Obviously, the safe thing for BW would be to update us on what's happening with the Warden and/or Hawke via a different NPC who's been traveling with them.

[mopotter]

I'm in the rumor only camp. Especially going to a bar rumor from the bartender or just casual conversation between people sitting around. Not interested at all in having my Hawk or Warden show up. I'm playing a new game with a new character and I want to concentrate on what I'm doing with them not past ones that will be twitched in some way. Rumors are great.

[Ieldra]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I'm actually okay with seeing the Warden and/or Hawke as actual NPCs - especially if it leads to an interesting side quest or adds to the overarching story - but I'm aware that other people are a bit on the fanatically devoted side with regards to their Wardens/Hawkes. Obviously, the safe thing for BW would be to update us on what's happening with the Warden and/or Hawke via a different NPC who's been traveling with them.

I don't have a problem with interesting things happening to them. What happens to them was always out of our control, even when they were protagonists. I wouldn't wish them dead, but apart from that if the writers want to use them as their chewtoy that's ok. The only thing I worry about is derailment: ascribing emotions and motivations that counter how I played and imagined them in earlier games. This includes character development I wouldn't like, such as Hawke becoming a devout Andrastean. Since what happens with Hawke after DA2 is the purview of DAI's writers, and that includes character development, if that happens I can't even claim they didn't respect my decisions, but the damage would be actually greater than if they had "just" retconned a decision.

I wish I didn't need to worry, but after what the ME team did with Shepard in ME3 - who wasn't even an ex-protagonist but an active one - my ability to trust is rather limited. 

Edit:
To say nothing about other NPCs. There is a consistent pattern in stories told through visual media of characters I like at the start of the story developing into directions I hate. It's come to the point that I hate character development. Keep them consistent, damn it! And to add insult to injury, it's always implied that that development is good.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 octobre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Taleroth]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I wish I didn't need to worry, but after what the ME team did with Shepard in ME3 - who wasn't even an ex-protagonist but an active one - my ability to trust is rather limited. 

Oooh, that's an idea.

I would actually approve if Hawke showed up and spent the entire game with nightmares about Kirkwall. I think ME3 Shepard would have made a perfect Hawke, right down to the ending.

[The_11thDoctor]

Just add them to the game if it makes sense and when they appear, even though its immersion breaking, let us customize there looks and voice via the CC mode. This will solve everything.


ex) hawke is about to show up and someone mentions him about to enter the door way right now. Just before he/she enters, CC mode pops up and you get to recreate them. then the scene continues and they pop thru the door. This way even though its immersion breaking, it will be far better than hearing everyone whine that they didnt turn out right. Who knows better than we do what they look like and the options should be superior in DAI to truly realize them. PROB SOLVED!!

[x-aizen-x]

krul2k wrote...

you know happy, that would prob be the best decision bioware could make with both of them lol

i don't understand how could you say that? do you hate dragon age or something?

[x-aizen-x]

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.



but what if they find some way to get it right?

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

[AutumnWitch]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

For the record you don't actually have to panic. If your head canon is THAT important to you, you can simply elect to not buy/play the game at all. Is that the "best" or most "fun" way to look at it by burying you head in the sand, no. But simply remember, no one is forcing us to play the game. So if your head canon is that important to you, just pass. Or you can wait to read about what happens before you buy the game OR you can remember, this is just David's vision of things and you can support/expore his vison by buying the game and remembering at the end of the day, its only YOUR own "head canon" that matters.

[Texhnolyze101]

I don't mind because I'm not under some ridicules notion that i "own" characters created and owned by Bioware like most people in this thread.

[Wulfram]

I guess it's Mr Gaider's way of paying people back for the things people did with his characters in fan fiction.

[OdanUrr]

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

[Texhnolyze101]

MasterScribe wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't mind because I'm not under some ridicules notion that i "own" characters created and owned by Bioware like most people in this thread.

Neither am I, but there should be consistency between the version of the character we created and the possible version of the character that BioWare creates.

Otherwise, what 's the point of The Warden and Hawke appearing?

They might as well be original characters, a completely different Grey Warden and a completely different Champion (of Val Royeaux?).

I really don't care about hawke returning because he/she was lame to begin with but i want the warden to return because the warden and the inquistor teaming up sounds awesome to me so i don't see a consistency problem nor do i think about it.

[Texhnolyze101]

MasterScribe wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't mind because I'm not under some ridicules notion that i "own" characters created and owned by Bioware like most people in this thread.

Neither am I, but there should be consistency between the version of the character we created and the possible version of the character that BioWare creates.

Otherwise, what 's the point of The Warden and Hawke appearing?

They might as well be original characters, a completely different Grey Warden and a completely different Champion (of Val Royeaux?).

I really don't care about hawke returning because he/she was lame to begin with but i want the warden to return because the warden and the inquistor teaming up sounds awesome to me so i don't see a consistency problem nor do i think about it.

There is a consistency problem, if the two versions of the Warden (DAO and DAI) are completely different characters.

It might as well be a new Grey Warden character.

The warden i played as in DA:O never died so she is going to be the same in DA:I.

[Nefla]

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

The years have not been kind to her.

Modifié par Nefla, 04 octobre 2013 - 02:08 .

[x-aizen-x]

[quote]Nefla wrote...

[quote]OdanUrr wrote...

[quote]x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.[/quote]

[/quote]

The years have not been kind to her.

[/quote/]

what are you talking about? do you think warden should be in DAI

[Nefla]

x-aizen-x wrote...

Nefla wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

The years have not been kind to her.

what are you talking about? do you think warden should be in DAI

The small picture I posted was the Revan I played in BioWare's Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the one OdanUrr posted was how Revan appears in the Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. BioWare's default from the EU is nothing like the Revan I played (not even the same race or gender let alone personality) and I'd rather not have the same thing happen to the warden or Hawke. To me stuff like this is much better kept as a vague reference and not an actual cameo.

Modifié par Nefla, 04 octobre 2013 - 02:15 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

x-aizen-x wrote...

Nefla wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

The years have not been kind to her.

what are you talking about? do you think warden should be in DAI

in first picture we can see revan in sw:tor he was protagonist of first sw:kotor and character was crushed in tor totally he was one of greatest sith lord and jedi and was treated like random punk


second picture is jedi exile protagonist of kotor 2 and her end wasn't good as well. 


well too late:P

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 octobre 2013 - 02:20 .

[OdanUrr]

Nefla wrote...

The small picture I posted was the Revan I played in BioWare's Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the one OdanUrr posted was how Revan appears in the Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. BioWare's default from the EU is nothing like the Revan I played (not even the same race or gender let alone personality) and I'd rather not have the same thing happen to the warden or Hawke. To me stuff like this is much better kept as a vague reference and not an actual cameo.

After all the trouble they went through hiding his face in the KOTOR comics... <_<

[x-aizen-x]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

Nefla wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

The years have not been kind to her.

what are you talking about? do you think warden should be in DAI

in first picture we can see revan in sw:tor he was protagonist of first sw:kotor and character was crushed in tor totally he was one of greatest sith lord and jedi and was treated like random punk


second picture is jedi exile protagonist of kotor 2 and her end wasn't good as well. 


well too late:P

OOOOOOO I see what your saying now. I understand your point as well. However it still would be nice to know what became of my warden after he went through the mirror with morrigan, or if he even got to meet the OGB. But I get some questions are better left unanswered...

[mickey111]

No, Bioware will not include other peoples fan fiction protagonists in the game, it's their story to tell and yours to experience.It says so on the licensing agreement too, I believe it goes it something like: "All your warden and hawkes belong to us, so deal with it or GTFO".

Modifié par mickey111, 04 octobre 2013 - 02:49 .

[x-aizen-x]

Nefla wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

Nefla wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

The years have not been kind to her.

what are you talking about? do you think warden should be in DAI

The small picture I posted was the Revan I played in BioWare's Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the one OdanUrr posted was how Revan appears in the Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. BioWare's default from the EU is nothing like the Revan I played (not even the same race or gender let alone personality) and I'd rather not have the same thing happen to the warden or Hawke. To me stuff like this is much better kept as a vague reference and not an actual cameo.

OOOOO I see what your saying now. Its sort of like a better safe than sorry type thing. However I would still like to know what happened to my warden after he went through the mirror with Morrigan.

[Lord Raijin]

David Gaider wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

David this is why I do not want Hawke or the Warden to have any involvements in DAI. It should be an open and shut case. The Warden and Hawke had their story, and it's about time that we shut their book and allow them to have an ending through the players imagination. It's time that we start focusing on the begining chapters of a new protagonist; the inquisitor. In time people will stop obsessing about wanting to bring these two charecters back into the game.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 04 octobre 2013 - 03:45 .

[Clockwork_Wings]

Taleroth wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Since they are bringing my guys back I just want them to recognize ALL landsmeet & romance descision' s. My Warden romanced Morrigan & Leliana (yes you can) and married Anora became Teryn of Gwaren/King-Consort (Yes King, just like Anora announces to the Landsmeet). I'd like to see at least a small amount of reactivity concerning said descions, but More on the political side of thing's...like...Im not under the impression my Warden can be a bad King, I'd like to see bioware challenge that perception and make me replay Origins to see if I can make the "right descisions".

I agree.  I've also pointed out that if your Cousland married into royalty then that means they dissappear and leave Fereldan without a monarch.  Someone rebutted by pointing out that they still have Alistair or Anora, which makes sense, especially with Anora, but I can't see the king/queen dissappearing one morning to be a good thing, or something that would go ignored.  It would hit the economy, people would worry, and other nations would be considering invading while Fereldan is weak.

That is a political aspect I'd like to see.

A King-Consort is not a King, thus not a monarch. The modern equivalent is the US's "First Lady." Significant in some respects, sometimes ceremonially and even with possible political involvement. But not in line for the office.

I was having difficulty summing that up in one word.  With Anora, I don't think many people would notice, but Alistair may be a different story.  Still, that's the kind of thing town gossips talk about.