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[Ryzaki]

It's too bad you can't kill Hawke off. Then I could dodge this bullet just by having my Warden do the US and Hawke get offed.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I think this is really interesting. I'm curious as to whether the import of data or the appearance of Hawke will undermine the benefits of DA2's unreliable narrator.

It's possible they could go with a default Hawke, then.  But I tend to change Hawke's appearance so drastically I gather the impression that Varric was at least describing him/her corectly by that point. 

[Lord Raijin]

Ryzaki wrote...

It's too bad you can't kill Hawke off. Then I could dodge this bullet just by having my Warden do the US and Hawke get offed.

A sick twist (If the Warden slays Flemeth in DA:O)

Flemeth finds out that Hawke is related to the Warden, and cast a powerful mind altering spell on him to force him to become her Champion in defeating his warden cousin in battle.This is the only time I will accept the Warden and Hawk back into the game.

Morrigan and the Warden Vs Flemeth and Hawke. It could be perfect for an expansion.

[Zu Long]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

I, for one, hope they DO appear, and if so I look forward to seeing what you do with them. If they don't, I hope we at least get the opportunity to find out what happened to them, and some idea of what they're doing now.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I always figured that what happens at the end of Witch Hunt would be elaborated on at some point, somehow. Perhaps that's the cameo, Morrigan describing to you what happened.

Same for Hawke. I figured eventually we'd ind out what s/he'd been doing since last Varric saw them. I felt like they were hiding from whoever they didn't side with to start, but then got swept up into something larger, possibly whatever the warden is doing.

[Cutlass Jack]

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

Thats a perfect example of a PC cameo by Bioware that only served to annoy the people who would actually care about the character showing up. He was literally no version of anyone's Revan.

But in fairness, they did a great job with HK-47 showing up prior to that.

[Zu Long]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

ALL IM ASKING IS TO GIVE BIOWARE A CHANCED.

Thats a perfect example of a PC cameo by Bioware that only served to annoy the people who would actually care about the character showing up. He was literally no version of anyone's Revan.

But in fairness, they did a great job with HK-47 showing up prior to that.

Actually I rather enjoyed finding out what finally became of him, and The Exile, in the official timeline. Neither of them is anything like the characters I created, and I freely imagine them beating the ever-loving snot out of the Sith Emperor in an alternate universe.

Since the Star Wars Expanded Universe has a single timeline though, it was necessary to define who Revan and The Exile were and provide an ultimate fate for them. As I said, I liked it.

[Allan Schumacher]

But in fairness, they did a great job with HK-47 showing up prior to that.

HK-47 isn't the player though, so there's no imagination that has the player run off and do all sorts of wonderful (or dastardly) things. Though part of the problem with Revan is that Revan WAS canonized, which I think immediately put him behind the 8 ball in terms of acceptance.

Though just as a reminder as a Buzz Killington, while it's fun to imagine "what if" and the like, just don't let your imagination run off because this game's protagonist is still the Inquisitor, not the Warden nor Hawke. I have seen some get really excited about how it could all work together and be elaborate and awesome, and I just want to help manage expectations because that will likely lead to disappointment.

[Cutlass Jack]

Really? With all the buildup even within the game about what an awesome guy Revan was, even excluding my playthroughs of the original, the actual meeting was an incredible disappointment. He was really a weenie.

My wife, who never played either was even less impressed. She was less fond of HK, but mainly because he was kicking our butts while I was squeeing at the homicidal droid murdering us.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:16 .

[Zu Long]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Really? With all the buildup even within the game about what an awesome guy Revan was, even excluding my playthroughs of the original, the actual meeting was an incredible disappointment. He was really a weenie.

I rather preferred to believe that my current character was THAT badass. And it still takes four of the Empire's best working together to bring him down. But to each their own.

Modifié par Zu Long, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:17 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Zu Long wrote...

I rather preferred to believe that my current character was THAT badass. And it still takes four of the Empire's best working together to bring him down. But to each their own.

I was referring more to his personality than his combat skill. But HK was much more of a challenge.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I'm under the impression they're not going to do anything too out there. Mostly I expect them to say what the wardens said at the celebration, what they did in the eluvian, where they went after, who Hawke sided with, and where they went after.

The rest, like the Keep versus Amaranthine, who's on the throne, where Feynriel went, things like that, I think would be filled in by NPCs, codex entries, gossip, and such. I expect to hear NPCs and questgivers talking about it long before we meet them, like running into the sibling and the love interests for awhile.

[Examurai]

Zu Long wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

I, for one, hope they DO appear, and if so I look forward to seeing what you do with them. If they don't, I hope we at least get the opportunity to find out what happened to them, and some idea of what they're doing now.

I'm with you in this one. Looking forward to see what Bioware does with My Warden and Hawke and what important roles they will play in DA Inquisition.
I mean i've always said it from the very begining, Bioware is the one that started this whole Warden/Hawke disappearance, so they might as well finish it. 

[x-aizen-x]

[quote]David Gaider wrote...

[quote]AutumnWitch wrote...

I (and I imagine many others) will have to come to terms with seeing "our" Hawke/Warden portrayed by someone else. You are right some of us have put so much time and effort into our characters and some of us have put so much of ourselves into these characters that the idea of someone else ultimately taking them away from us is hard to deal with. Esp since we have lived with them for so long now.

I have to just come to terms with having to look at the multi-verse model to even have a chance of enjoying DAI. The official BW universe's take on both Hawke and the Warden is just that, their take. I know, in my world what happened to them and when BW betrays that (and they will as it can't be avoided) I just have to tell myself this is BW's universe and in mine this didn't happen.

And before you accuse us of being so attached to a video game character just look at how many times David has simply said that we no longer have any say over them. That's because its "their character" and they are just as possessive of them was we are, otherwise they wouldn't be going out of their way to have both Hawke and the Warden make appearances in DAI when there is really no need for it. It is a passive-aggressive way of putting us in our place. This is our character and we are going to have them make an appearance in DAI and really don't care if it "jives" with your head canon or not. And its their right to do so because its their "ball" and they can play any game with it they like. And I support them 100% in that concept.

So I simply just tell myself, that's fine but there is nothing anyone can do to keep us from imagining ourselves what our own Hawke and Warden are doing/did. We shouldn't get upset about it because it is their character as far as their game goes. Its just a game and at the end of the day we have to remember that, Its just a game but ultimately no one can control our own imagination except us.

[/quote]

Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

I swear I thought this ^ would be obvious. Also very logical to "come to terms with". I mean why would any game give a player 2 PC's at the same time????

[x-aizen-x]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

But in fairness, they did a great job with HK-47 showing up prior to that.

 I have seen some get really excited about how it could all work together and be elaborate and awesome, and I just want to help manage expectations because that will likely lead to disappointment.

Exactly. I ^ was shocked when I realize people actually arrive at this conclusion!

[x-aizen-x]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Considering you (not specifically you, but rather the series) have yet to do even a former companion cameo that successfully managed to thrill the very people who would be excited by such a cameo the most, I'd say its a good time for everyone to panic. Because it absolutely will go wrong shoehorning a former PC in. Heck it even went terrible putting in 'Varric Hawke' at the beginning of DA2 and the player hadn't even created the character yet.


Stick to tavern rumors, not appearances. You'll wish you listened.

lol really. From what I remember there was very positive feedback from leiliana appearing at the end. Also all the negative feedback from the lack of mention, of the wardens exploits from DAO. So Speak for yourself.

[Fredward]

I actually have trouble understanding the "NO! My Hawke/Warden would NEVER be in that situation!" stance. You're playing in someone else's sandbox. Your actions and decisions are limited by definition. If BW was actually discarding choices and stuff that the player actually DID make, then I'd understand. They are not responsible for the sanctity of your headcanon though and they shouldn't be either.

If you're playing a game where the story is of any kind of relevance you're going to have to let go of some of your headcanon. Or mould it around the canon, which is actually easier than some people make it sound.

[The Hierophant]

*SPOILER*

srsly

A cameo appearance like Johnny Klebitz's in GTA V would be nice.

[Cutlass Jack]

x-aizen-x wrote...

lol really. From what I remember there was very positive feedback from leiliana appearing at the end. Also all the negative feedback from the lack of mention, of the wardens exploits from DAO. So Speak for yourself.

Funny, what I remember is all the outcry about Leliana disregarding any of what she was supposed to be up to following the end of DAO, especially showing up with her head still attached. (people are still going on about that one) The warden related outcry largely involved not playing him in DA2.

[Little Princess Peach]

I don't care if my warden and hawke become npc's, I'm worried that my choices will alter in some way, I know David said something along the lines that our choices are important, but frankly after what happend in DA2, and how my choices with zeveran and the ruler of Ferelden choices had been bugged, I Would be one sad panda if the issues don't get fixed or become worse in this new installment.

[Wulfram]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

I actually have trouble understanding the "NO! My Hawke/Warden would NEVER be in that situation!" stance. You're playing in someone else's sandbox. Your actions and decisions are limited by definition. If BW was actually discarding choices and stuff that the player actually DID make, then I'd understand. They are not responsible for the sanctity of your headcanon though and they shouldn't be either.

If you're playing a game where the story is of any kind of relevance you're going to have to let go of some of your headcanon. Or mould it around the canon, which is actually easier than some people make it sound.

The characterisation of my character, as established in the game, is not "head canon".

[Daissran]

Maybe the Keep will come with a character creator and we'll be able to create both our Warden and Hawke. Maybe we'll be able to answer some questions, determine who they are, their personalities, etc.

So when they appear in our game, they'll be as close as possible to our versions.

[TheInquisitor]

Daissran wrote...

Maybe the Keep will come with a character creator and we'll be able to create both our Warden and Hawke. Maybe we'll be able to answer some questions, determine who they are, their personalities, etc.

So when they appear in our game, they'll be as close as possible to our versions.

And the keep could also give us the option if we want them to appear or not. That way, people who don't want to see them again won't get mad.

[Han Yolo]

I'd be more than happy to see them again, I am actually really excited as to what Bioware has in store for them. As long as my major choices are respected I shall be pleased.
And I would love to recreate them with the new engine.
I'll probably do that anyway.