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[ev76]

Bravo mr. Gaider, bravo! I am glad the warden and hawke are a part of the plot. I'm okay with whichever direction is taken with the characters as long as the past is recognized in some capacity. What they do after those games should be up to bioware. 

- mr. Gaider post below

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Just as an addendum to this:

Yes, those who are concerned will need to come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions may not have results that you imagined-- but neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance never existed.

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

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Modifié par ev76, 06 octobre 2013 - 05:18 .

[Nefla]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

My statement was based on the last I read from Bioware, the earlier and more often I comment on it negatively, the more likely they will include another option,
They are saying that the console would need to be connected which is much more restrictive than if they had other options (if I could download a file to a memory device compatable to the console and use that in the start I may be able to do that but Bioware have not suggested such an approach can be programmed for).

As far as I know, places that provide free internet do so for laptops and portable devices not for consoles (which also need a TV screen).
I'm currently at my parent's home -and constantly having to reconnect due to the dodgy connection -they live over an hour's bus ride from me and it would be awkward to transport my console to the bus station for the journey there (and then there is the matter of the journey home.

They've also said they're still hashing out how it's actually going to work. I can understand wanting to push them in a certain direction, but saying that going with a one time internet connection will completely lock you out seems over the top.

Free internet is free internet. Back me up here Kotaku.
http://kotaku.com/58...60-at-starbucks

I used to ride an hour to my friends house to play Diablo II back in the day since he had a cable internet connection and my house had dial-up. I spent a year riding the bus 45 minutes both ways to hook up with a D&D group. I set up a memory card with a buddies DA:O save and mailed it to him so that he could play DAII while he was serving overseas.

My point here is that a one time internet connection is not that big an obstacle. If it's important to you, you can find a way. You'll have literally months to prepare. I'm not saying it's ideal or that it's not onerous, but at the same time, Bioware has set up some pretty solid reasons why just loading from a previous save game doesn't work, and they want to go to something else. They are no doubt looking into whether having your keep state in a seperate file that you can put onto a flashdrive is workable or not. If for whatever reason they can't, by all means be disappointed, but don't act like creating a contingency plan is impossible.

Firstly, I'm not in America and things can be different in different countries,
secondly, carrying my console and TV onto the bus and then carrying them around while hunting for a place with free internet which won't turf me out when I try to plug them in doesn't appeal to me, especially with the weight of the TV and the cost of replacing it if I drop and damage it. 
Especially as in my country there are laws concerning TV sets with a need for a location to have a license for it to be there.
I have not seen anything from anyone at Bioware suggesting that the flashdrive option is compatible with their plans and it is better to encourage them to do so than silently hope.

You could probably use a small portable storage device (memory card, flash drive, etc...) to download the keep info from a public computer with internet or a friend's computer and bring it home to use on your console. Unless your goal is just to be contrary and/or have people feel sorry for you, in which case...carry on I guess.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I've suggested earlier (and I hope BioWare takes it as a suggestion) that they should document the the file format of the Keep data so we could, if necessary, just fabricate our own Keep file and plug it into our platform of choice with a USB stick.

[ev76]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I've suggested earlier (and I hope BioWare takes it as a suggestion) that they should document the the file format of the Keep data so we could, if necessary, just fabricate our own Keep file and plug it into our platform of choice with a USB stick.

thats a a good idea. 

[EvilChani]

wright1978 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't be doing. That's part of the plot. If someone is determined that they definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to panic.

Considering you (not specifically you, but rather the series) have yet to do even a former companion cameo that successfully managed to thrill the very people who would be excited by such a cameo the most, I'd say its a good time for everyone to panic. Because it absolutely will go wrong shoehorning a former PC in. Heck it even went terrible putting in 'Varric Hawke' at the beginning of DA2 and the player hadn't even created the character yet.


Stick to tavern rumors, not appearances. You'll wish you listened.

My panic circuits are being primed for engagement. Can't see this ending well for Hawke/Warden.

I echo the above, preferring rumours of antics over appearances.

I agree with all of the above. Going by previous experience (romanced Zev wanting to hop into bed with Hawke despite him having been in love with the Hero of Fereldan, for example, not to mention the ME3 nightmare of auto-Shephard, who acted like a complete and utter douchebag and you couldn't stop it), I say this is just cause for panic. BioWare-controlled Hawke and Hero of Fereldan will be crap, of that I have no doubt, and they'll ruin everything for them (Fenris will have died of a brain tumor that someone later finds a cure for, a romanced Alistair will have decided he wanted to bang Anoura and will have knocked her up and your Hero won't find out until she crawls out of whatever hole Bioware sticks her in). 

Yeah, no thanks. Give me rumors and leave it to my imagination. Because, honestly, what Bioware imagines for my characters sucks donkey balls. 

[EvilChani]

maliluka wrote...

Well if I don't like the way the former me (ie warden/hawke) is acting should I run across them in DAI, I will just assume they are either delusional or drunk...stress can have that effect you know.

Or possessed by an alien. That may work. Or mind-controlled by some crappy little brat-god...

[EvilChani]

[quote]Nefla wrote...

[quote]x-aizen-x wrote...


OOOOO I see what your saying now. Its sort of like a better safe than sorry type thing. However I would still like to know what happened to my warden after he went through the mirror with Morrigan. [/quote]

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What if you learned your warden never went through the mirror with Morrigan at all, and instead had a gay fling with Zevran, killed him, then went on to spearhead a large movement of people who's goal it is to merge people with darkspawn? Would you still want to see him or would you want to leave well enough alone and leave him as he was in the games he was in?

People did so many things, made so many choices, crafted so many personalities that it is impossible to make a warden that is convincing without making them dead from the taint, give them only short, infrequent dialogue (such as answering yes or no questions or generic answers that have nothing to do with personality/personal story such as "the troops are camped on the other side of the valley") DA:O is my favorite game, I don't want to have it ruined or become unplayable the same way ME3 ruined Mass Effect for me. So yes I would much rather be safe than sorry.

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This. Exactly.

I loved the ME games, so much so that I played the first two almost constantly, making new characters, then deleting them and starting again. Simply because it was fun, I loved the story, loved most of the companions, and loved the protagonist. Then ME3 came along and took a huge dump on it. Now I can't stand to even look at the cases. I'd have been happier never touching the game so I could pretend none of that crap happened and could've just written my own ending. A friend of mine finally talked me into an RPG getting rid of Shep and going with new characters after Shep got blown to bits. It's helping, a little. 

I don't want DA to be ruined for me like that. I loved Origins, and now love DA2 almost as much. If they get ruined for me, I'd be stuck with New Vegas, and that takes for freaking ever to play through. At least they let me imagine my own non-sucky ending for the Courier, though...

[the-small-print]

I'm sure this has been said before, but I think the only valid way for my warden to return would be as the Inquisitor, or as a DLC playable character. I could easily see Warden/Hawke/Misc being origin choices for Inquisitor, though it probably won't happen. Hawke could quite easily be an NPC, what with the lack of character depth, the set voice and all that, but the Warden is a much more variable character.

That being said, a mage warden who has freed the Circle and beaten every opponent who stood in her way (Incidentally doing about 70% of all party damage) could not easily be a background character. She'd have to be a major player in the war, and given the inevitably epic scope of DA:I's conflict, I'd be a little sad to see her out-heroed by the Inquisitor.

Another strong argument against re-using Warden is that she's already a high level character with a quickslot bar overflowing with powerful spells - by about 75% of the way into the game I had to play on nightmare to get any challenge at all. Might screw up the challenge curve, or require an awkward drop in power that'd be difficult to explain.

[x-aizen-x]

OMG PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. what is wrong with you guys. the warden was the main character in origins. if he appears in DA3 it would make since... Jesus Christ. WHY CANT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE LOGICAL FACT. I WISH HE COULD BE A FOLLOWER BUT I UNDERSTAND IF THAT CANT HAPPEN. BUT WHY ARE PEOPLE ASKING THAT HE BE A PC AS WELL THAT JUST STUPID. THATS NOT EVEN WHAT I ASKED. WHYYYY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frankf43]

Bioware have spent a long time writing a story for this game. If that story includes either of my previous characters then that's ok by me.

What I don't not want is for the moaning of people on the BSN to force them to rip up a good script and replace it with a rushed one.

[Xiltas]

Don't worry, a bit of moaning won't hurt them as much as all those whiners believe.

[Magggggg]

I would love to see my Hawke and warden in DAI. It would be nice to see them both in action, maybe even cooperating in fight against demons and blood mages

I don't worry that BW will do it wrong - they are good at writing characters when they have a lot of time - what they have now.

It could be fun seeing Cullen making puppy eyes to my warden (and maybe making Alistair jealous) and Varric asking Hawke if she had something to do with recent events (like letting lose some demon imprisoned by her father... or something )
I don't count on having Hawke and warden as teammates at some point but... It would really be awesome

[Either.Ardrey]

The only thing I'm worried about is my neutral Hawke being portrayed as pro-mage because DA2's ending gave me no choice in the matter. If the choice were there, I would've picked the "I've had enough, you both are terrible" option and side against both to reform both back to the way they're supposed to operate (basically siding with GC Elthina but more proactive). Everything else I'd think they would handle fine, since my own playthroughs often match up well with they might subconsciously intend.

[Get Magna Carter]

Nefla wrote...

You could probably use a small portable storage device (memory card, flash drive, etc...) to download the keep info from a public computer with internet or a friend's computer and bring it home to use on your console. Unless your goal is just to be contrary and/or have people feel sorry for you, in which case...carry on I guess.

IF Bioware design the keep to be usable in that manner.
The last I heard they were saying that when you start a new game you will either use the single available default  or need to connect to the Keep directly with the machine you are using to play the game with.
I have said before that if Bioware allowed to save to a potable storage device which was compatible to both PC and console and use that for an import but we do not know how easy or difficult that would be or whether Bioware are likely to consider that option.

My goal is to encourage Bioware to allow for alternative options for as many people as possible rather than assume all console gamers are on the internet. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I also play on an always-offline console (in my case, by choice - I wouldn't want it connected to the internet even if it was possible), and I've posted my concerns in the Keep thread. The suggestion of using a USB drive to transfer world state data from a PC to an offline console is a good one, but unfortunately hasn't been confirmed as an option. If there is no way aside from going online, then all players in similar situations would only see a default Warden and Hawke instead of their own, for better or worse.

Honestly, I think it's a bad idea to take a character whose personality can be shaped by the player and turn them into an NPC that we have no control over. It's hard to imagine this going well at all. The amount of autodialogue present in ME3 was frustrating, and I know ME and DA have different teams, but it would likely have the same effect in that everything they say will feel like autodialogue... which may or may not fit the character we played. For me, the best part of an RPG is being able to influence the character I'm playing, and removing that would take the fun out of it.

At this point, I haven't decided yet if I'll buy DAI, so I'm waiting to see how all of this goes. If Hawke's and the Warden's characterization as NPCs is terrible (assuming they'll be back at all), then I might not even want to import my world states if that's the way my old characters will be treated. That would be ironic.

[Angrywolves]

well, I would rather warden and hawke not be in the game at all, except perhaps as reference aka someone in a tavern claims to have seen one or the other here or there.
Believe those that want to see them in DAI will be disappointed with what they get and it just becomes another source of acrimony and dispute on the BSN.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It might be more valuable to have the siblings in DAI instead. close enough to Hawke to give them a presence but their own character enough to satisfy most of the "My Hawke wouldn't do/say that!" complaints. Which faction they joined and what Hawke supported in the endgame could say a lot about Hawke.

For instance, if Carver joins the templars and then Hawke supports them, perhaps Carver becomes...quite dedicated, maybe even joining the more...zealous faction of the splintered templar groups. Or, if he joined the templars and Hawke sides with the mages, he's leading a group of apostates/refugees to safety.  Factor in friendship/rivalry for added specifics.

Not that I'm not excited about my Hawkes and wardens showing up in DAI in whatever capacity Bioware decides to use, I'm actually quite excited about that and just hope they do something, codexes, gossip,party chatter...something.

Modifié par Clockwork_Wings, 15 octobre 2013 - 04:28 .