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Angrywolves

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hello friends .Time to start a new thread.I'm a big fan of the Baldur's Gate series . In a lot of ways I prefer it over DA.I was thinking about it today and elves came up as did dark elves.Been a long time since I played BG.If I recall correctly, and this seems true of a lot of fantasy series with dark elves, the dark elves live underground, not in the forest and they're evil. DAI might be a good place for Gaider to reveal the existence of dark elves. All that crazy stuff we saw in DA2's deep roads, abandoned cities underground, that don't look dwarven, could be explained by the existence of dark elves. Dark elves could also be tied to the red lyrium.Of course there may be answers in the books or comics, which I don't read, or in some DA lore that has escaped my notice.Not asking for them, they're already something Gaider intends to surprised us with, or they're not in the game.Would like to see them though and their cities.

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They're called shrieks. Or sharloks.

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Angrywolves

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Not the same.
But you already knew that.

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Yes, yes I did.

There are very few things in fiction I hate more than drow/dark elves(with exceptions. I rather like the dunmer from TES).

They are the last thing I want to see in Dragon Age.

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You could just play a black elf and brood a lot.

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Yeah, I don't want drow, not that I didn't like them, it's just there's no sense in them being in Dragon Age.

Don't introduce new races, just give more depth to the current ones.

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Tevinter society seems like it's basically Drow. Just without the pointy ears and skin colour. And less spiders, but possibly more giant scorpions.

Modifié par Wulfram, 02 octobre 2013 - 10:03 .


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Wulfram wrote...

Tevinter society seems like it's basically Drow. Just without the pointy ears and skin colour. And less spiders, but possibly more giant scorpions.


If anything I'd argue that Orzamar's society is essentially Dragon Age's version of drow society.

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Because Dragon Age needs more borrowing from DnD?  How long before they're all scimitar wielding do gooders trying to escape the culture of their evil kin?

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 02 octobre 2013 - 10:06 .


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maybe not Dark Elves (even if I like them) but a colony of Elves or Dwarfes (or both, who live together) survived from the time of Arlathan (if I have said the correct period) in an old forgetten taigh? after all, we know some Elves found refuge in the Dwarven town (witch hunt) and it would not be something impossible find a still alive taigh. (at least, it would be one of my dream in the future of DA ^_^)

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If there were to be some kind of "Dark" Elves in DA I suspect they would be more like Warhammer's than Forgotten Realms/DnD.
But I don't see it happening, unlike in both of the other settings there are no great Elven kingdoms, and the subteranean regions of Thedas are occupied by Dwarves and Darkspawn already.

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Devera was enslaving her own people. That's pretty dark. We don't need a nation of elves dedicated to being evil. Dwarves already fit some of the roles filled by dark elves in other settings. The live underground where they are engaged in a constant backstabbing war of intrigue.

Did you want dark elves for their physical appearance? I will admit to being fond of blue busts and posteriors, but don't think it's reason enough to add them.

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Didn't they say Arlathan was tragically sunken underground by magic or something?

It might seem like just a legend, but if it was true and it was the Elven mages themselves protecting and isolating the entire city to deep underground then that could have been a great start to a Thedas analogue of Menzoberranzan.

Consider the large passage of time since then, and it wouldn't be hard for the Elves down there to have become this world's Drow.

Modifié par Atemeus, 02 octobre 2013 - 10:15 .


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For me? Nah......I like that DA's elves are 'different' than other games/fantasy settings.

I just don't understand this prevailling 'Well this game/setting had this so I want that same thing here in DA'

Talk about making things generic.

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If they exist, they must get Jeff Baker the scary Dunmer guy to voice them. :S

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 02 octobre 2013 - 10:19 .


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Atemeus wrote...

Didn't they say Arlathan was tragically sunken underground by magic or something?

It might seem like just a legend, but if it was true and it was the Elven mages themselves protecting and isolating the entire city to deep underground then that could have been a great start to a Thedas analogue of Menzoberranzan.

Consider the large passage of time since then, and it wouldn't be hard for the Elves down there to have become this world's Drow.

I can't tell you how much sadness I would feel if this were true. Thedas doesn't need Drow or a city that somehow survices underground with the darkspawn. 

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Angrywolves wrote...

hello friends .Time to start a new thread.I'm a big fan of the Baldur's Gate series . In a lot of ways I prefer it over DA.I was thinking about it today and elves came up as did dark elves.Been a long time since I played BG.If I recall correctly, and this seems true of a lot of fantasy series with dark elves, the dark elves live underground, not in the forest and they're evil. DAI might be a good place for Gaider to reveal the existence of dark elves. All that crazy stuff we saw in DA2's deep roads, abandoned cities underground, that don't look dwarven, could be explained by the existence of dark elves. Dark elves could also be tied to the red lyrium.Of course there may be answers in the books or comics, which I don't read, or in some DA lore that has escaped my notice.Not asking for them, they're already something Gaider intends to surprised us with, or they're not in the game.Would like to see them though and their cities.


Other than having darker skin, why would dark elves really stick out from regular elves much?  A lot of what makes dark elves so different in D&D is because of magic.  There doesn't seem to be much basis for magical differentiation between races in D&D except for the fact that dwarves can't be mages. 

I'm totally up for the reveal of some new, potentially dark (Tevinterish) culture among elves in unknown parts of the world though. 

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Dark elves in D&D are distinguished by their devotion to Lolth, who doesn't exist in Dragon Age.

I guess there could be a group of elves somewhere that try to worship Fen'Harel, but that strikes me as kinda lame.

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I think it would be totally okay if Dragon Age could come up with something new

I like new.

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Angrywolves

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I never asked for drow/dark elves.
I seem to remember in one DA game exploring what seemed to be thaig and one party member saying they were perplexed to see elven writing on the walls.
So I thought it might mean something.

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DnD, bah.

How about Tolkien? The dark elves in middle earth were reclusive, still lived in the forest, but kept away from many other people and were only really mentioned in the Fall of Gondolin.

So, you could stretch it and just say the Dalish are the dark elves. They seem to have an attitude anyway, which can fit the brooding of BG drow?

Or, y'know, just forget about dark elves.

Edit: Elves did live underground for a time, but the dwarves attacked them out of fear of getting a bad relationship with Tevinter and it is doubtful they survived the First Blight if any elves remained underground.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 02 octobre 2013 - 11:09 .


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I was never really fond of the racist connotations of dark races being "evil" while the light races are "good," and/or that said dark races live underground while light races live above ground. (Seriously, it's all over Tolkien and D&D.) The whole "light = good, dark = evil" connotation is just so archaic. Much as I love fantasy, that connotation is something the genre can move further away from.

Now, just learning about how ancient Arlathan elves fleeing Tevinter faired underground, before Kal-Sharok betrayed them and wiped them out? That, I would love to learn more about. Just no drow / dark elf parallels.

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@Faerunner: The only racism that exists in that is in your head.

Do you also rage when they ask you if you want the cheaper dark meat at KFC - or the more expensive white meat? I gather you will now.

The dwarves lived underground btw.

And the wargs lived above ground (they're sentient in the books).

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No thanks. We have Fenris, whom is way too close in appearance already.

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Don't know much about DnD or 'dark elves', but I'm not a fan of 'evil' versions of races. The whole concept of people existing just to be evil is silly.