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[Angrywolves]

People didn't seem to have a problem with drow in BGII, if I recall correctly.
Wasn't Viconia a drow ?
Don't really care one way or the other .
And people had no problem with haven and evil dragon cultists..If you have evil humans you can have evil elves.
Not racists.
You can have evil dwarves.
Just my opinion.

[Secretlyapotato]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Do you also rage when they ask you if you want the cheaper dark meat at KFC - or the more expensive white meat? I gather you will now.

omg dat's racist

[Face of Evil]

Angrywolves wrote...

People didn't seem to have a problem with drow in BGII, if I recall correctly.

Baldur's Gate was based in Forgotten Realms, a D&D setting that features drow. Drow were part of the setting before BG and they're still part of the setting now. It's only logical for there to be drow in Baldur's Gate.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 02 octobre 2013 - 11:38 .

[Angrywolves]

Whatever.
You can evil groups anywhere.
Doesn't invaldate the possibility .
shrugs

[KENNY4753]

I wouldnt be against it but maybe they live in a place beyond Thedas

[Rawgrim]

The dark elves from the BG games and whatsnot got turned dark because of a "curse", I belive. Their hair went white as well.

Anyway, I don`t think there would be any problems with elves having darker skin in Thedas - if they are from an area where dark skin (for all races) is the norm.

[GipsyDangeresque]

An interesting thought: Elves of Arlathan, separated from the rest of the world for who knows how long, would most likely have quite the superiority/god complex. The world above would be like their birthright, and their arrival or rediscovery of the surface would be unto another Blight in and of itself.

It would provide interesting development among city elf and Dalish characters: These guys are seriously bad, but are they worse than the human dominance right now? Where do I stand?

It'd be a crowning moment of awesome to see the Dalish reject the immortal people of Arlathan, those that they previously worshiped as a lost ideal. That could be the catalyst that would finally see the elves beginning to truly reintegrate with the rest of the cultures in Thedas.

Modifié par Atemeus, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:33 .

[BlueMagitek]

A few elves did go underground, but I believe the Dwarves gave them up to preserve ties to Tevinter.

If there are Dark Elves, I'd prefer them to be more Lords of Magic style.

[Rawgrim]

Going underground wouldn`t make them dark, though. It would make them very pale.

[BlueMagitek]

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

[GipsyDangeresque]

Rawgrim wrote...

Going underground wouldn`t make them dark, though. It would make them very pale.

That's fine. There's all kind of twists in Dragon Age, subversions of what you've come to expect from Dungeons and Dragons mainstays. The Dark Elves being a pale lot would be one more among a lot of company.

They'd be "dark" elves because they lived in the dark for at least a thousand years, not because of their skin.

Modifié par Atemeus, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:37 .

[Rawgrim]

It would be kind of cool if they ended up being abit like those freaky monsters in the Descent movies.

[Rawgrim]

Atemeus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Going underground wouldn`t make them dark, though. It would make them very pale.

That's fine. There's all kind of twists in Dragon Age, subversions of what you've come to expect from Dungeons and Dragons mainstays. The Dark Elves being a pale lot would be one more among a lot of company.

They'd be "dark" elves because they lived in the dark for at least a thousand years, not because of their skin.

White, almost see-through skin, would be cool.

[GipsyDangeresque]

I'm thinking they stay aristocratic/civilized, heavy emphasis on bloodlines and tradition, the old gods and an Elvhen right to return to their homeland and rule it all and such.

But physically, I'm thinking the Falmer designs/models you saw in TES5: Skyrim.

Modifié par Atemeus, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:40 .

[Silfren]

Angrywolves wrote...

hello friends .Time to start a new thread.I'm a big fan of the Baldur's Gate series . In a lot of ways I prefer it over DA.I was thinking about it today and elves came up as did dark elves.Been a long time since I played BG.If I recall correctly, and this seems true of a lot of fantasy series with dark elves, the dark elves live underground, not in the forest and they're evil. DAI might be a good place for Gaider to reveal the existence of dark elves. All that crazy stuff we saw in DA2's deep roads, abandoned cities underground, that don't look dwarven, could be explained by the existence of dark elves. Dark elves could also be tied to the red lyrium.Of course there may be answers in the books or comics, which I don't read, or in some DA lore that has escaped my notice.Not asking for them, they're already something Gaider intends to surprised us with, or they're not in the game.Would like to see them though and their cities.

Why? Dark Elves are overdone, and why should they be included in Dragon Age just because they were in Baldur's Gate?  Dragon Age isn't the same universe as BG at all.

[Silfren]

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

[Rawgrim]

just copying the drow elves would be a real let-down, though.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Jaulen wrote...

For me? Nah......I like that DA's elves are 'different' than other games/fantasy settings.

How!?
They think that they are better and are arrogant , some of them live in forests , elves what lives in city are harassed by human and humans outnumber them and don't mention that they had longer life than humans.it would be hard do that more stereotypically .

[Rawgrim]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

Does that mean you consider the White Walkers from GoT to be racist towards white people too?

[GipsyDangeresque]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

Elves and Dwarves, dragons and trolls... these things had no need to be repeated either. Where do you draw the line? Where's the limit of "oh, that's used a lot but can be used to tell interesting stories" and "oh, that's been used a lot and could NEVER be used to tell interesting stories"? Why do you seem to think Dark Elves would demand a design with dark skin?

Modifié par Atemeus, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:53 .

[Rawgrim]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

The dark elves in the Forgotten Realms arn`t all evil. Drizzt being the most famous character from that setting is a good dark elf.

If I remember correctly, there is a religious reason behind their dark skin AND white hair. A large group of elves durned their back on the elven pantheon, way back, and got cursed and sent underground for it. Blackening their skin, whitening their hair, and making it very difficult for them to physically function in daylight.

There are still dark skinned elves in the Forgotten Realms, though. These arn`t drow elves, but "normal" elves from the south of the map.

The is no racism behind this bit at all.

[Silfren]

Rawgrim wrote...

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

Does that mean you consider the White Walkers from GoT to be racist towards white people too?

Well, if I were actually saying that any dark-skinng fictional beings were racist toward the whites, you might have a point, but that's not even remotely what I'm saying, so your comment is just nonsensical, and I only wonder if you really do misunderstand that badly, or if you are trying to deliberately twist my words.  It's not about the fictional persons being racist in real-world terms, it's the fact that the equating of dark-skinned peoples with evil is the product of racist assumptions on the part of the creator. 

So, not even a nice try, that was just pathetic.  But if it were true, and if you actually think this invalidates my point you really haven't been paying attention to the history of literature, which is replete with examples of dark-skinned beings being associated with evil/immorality/barbarianism, etc.  Those kind of associations are NOT accidental, they don't happen in a vacuum, and they ARE a problem.

[Rawgrim]

Silfren wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

"Dark" doesn't necessarily refer to skin tone, more attitude.

Or they've killed so many that they're stained dark, such as in my example. ;P

That is EXACTLY the sort of thing that plays into racist tropes, however.  It's what Faerunner was getting at, and the point is a valid one.  An entire race of elves who are evil as a matter of course, and they're universally dark-skinned?  YES, this IS a racist trope.  Quite beyond the fact it's already been done in quite a few other fantasy settings and has no need to be repeated here, it is quite tiresome to see dark skin once again equated with evil.

Does that mean you consider the White Walkers from GoT to be racist towards white people too?

Well, if I were actually saying that any dark-skinng fictional beings were racist toward the whites, you might have a point, but that's not even remotely what I'm saying, so your comment is just nonsensical, and I only wonder if you really do misunderstand that badly, or if you are trying to deliberately twist my words.  It's not about the fictional persons being racist in real-world terms, it's the fact that the equating of dark-skinned peoples with evil is the product of racist assumptions on the part of the creator. 

So, not even a nice try, that was just pathetic.  But if it were true, and if you actually think this invalidates my point you really haven't been paying attention to the history of literature, which is replete with examples of dark-skinned beings being associated with evil/immorality/barbarianism, etc.  Those kind of associations are NOT accidental, they don't happen in a vacuum, and they ARE a problem.

I wasn`t having a go at you, I was asking a question.

In fact, most fantasy stories tend to have white villains as well. The empire in SW are made up of purely white humans. The Forsaken from the Wheel of Time series have 12 out of 13 being white. Almost all of the villains in the sword of truth series are white. Pretty much all of the major villains in the forgotten realms setting (apart from the dark elves) are white. And there are hundreds of main villains in that setting.  You could argue that the ring-wraiths and stuff like that falls under "dark-skinned" but those are mostly associated with darkness in general. More powerful at night, and all that.

[Shadow Fox]

Yes to pale/blue/purple red eyed elves as for always EVUUL races no HELL no.*hate it in D&D*