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[ShadyKat]

Does every fantasy series, need 20 different versions of elves? Dragon age did it well, with just Falish and City elves. The series doesn't need anymore.......that includes half elves!

[WardenWade]

Rawgrim wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I could see dryads working well in Thedas. That wolf lady in the first game looked kind of dryad`ish.

Excellent point   Things may have changed and I may misremember, but I thought in The Stolen Throne dryads were in fact mentioned as one of the dangers of the Nahashin Marshes.

This is true. Could still be just tales and superstition, though.

Definitely, and these creatures may have been changed over time, to sylvans, in the lore as well. And just checking I believe it may have been The Calling in fact which referenced them; apologies for the mistake.

[Rawgrim]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Alv = elf in norwegian. In icelandic, i think its alf that translates as elf. AlverAlfar if plural. Snorre Sturlasson, who wrote the Poetic Edda, was icelandic, though. Dwarf is dverg. I think the confusion comes from the size of the creatures. Both were very small.

Admittedly I'm availing myself of Wikipedia, but what I've turned up is three words.  Svartálfar (black elves), Dökkàlfar (dark elves), and Ljósálfar (light elves).  The confusion seems to be that the former, black elves, appears to be used synonymously with dwarf at times.  The story you described is actually mentioned as an example.

Trust me. I am norwegian. Had this stuff in school (long time ago). I think the dwarves and the dark elves were usually reffered to as conniving and pretty much up to mischief alot.  Might be why they are reffered to in the same way too.

[Deebo305]

Dark elves are unneeded in DA even though especially since Elves already come in a variety of skin colors. But an interesting thing was bought up, Underground elves.

In Witch Hunt DLC and Awakening maybe, I believe it was mentioned that several elves escaped into Dwarven Thaigs and if the original Elven homeland was sunk underground, whose to say they couldn't have survived

Based on lore, the ancient elves were both immortal and very powerful. Finding out they possibly survived would make for good storytelling but no need for them to evil however but hold a grudge against humanity...understandable

[Heimdall]

Rawgrim wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Alv = elf in norwegian. In icelandic, i think its alf that translates as elf. AlverAlfar if plural. Snorre Sturlasson, who wrote the Poetic Edda, was icelandic, though. Dwarf is dverg. I think the confusion comes from the size of the creatures. Both were very small.

Admittedly I'm availing myself of Wikipedia, but what I've turned up is three words.  Svartálfar (black elves), Dökkàlfar (dark elves), and Ljósálfar (light elves).  The confusion seems to be that the former, black elves, appears to be used synonymously with dwarf at times.  The story you described is actually mentioned as an example.

Trust me. I am norwegian. Had this stuff in school (long time ago). I think the dwarves and the dark elves were usually reffered to as conniving and pretty much up to mischief alot.  Might be why they are reffered to in the same way too.

And apparently they both supposedly live underground

[Rawgrim]

WardenWade wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I could see dryads working well in Thedas. That wolf lady in the first game looked kind of dryad`ish.

Excellent point   Things may have changed and I may misremember, but I thought in The Stolen Throne dryads were in fact mentioned as one of the dangers of the Nahashin Marshes.

This is true. Could still be just tales and superstition, though.

Definitely, and these creatures may have been changed over time, to sylvans, in the lore as well. And just checking I believe it may have been The Calling in fact which referenced them; apologies for the mistake.

A small sylvan could be seen as\\taken for a dryad, I think. And I am sure if I saw that wolf lady in a screenshot, without knowing what she was, I would have thought Dryad right away. Hmm. I wonder if there are more of her kind out there. Someone like that would make for a very cool companion.

[Rawgrim]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Alv = elf in norwegian. In icelandic, i think its alf that translates as elf. AlverAlfar if plural. Snorre Sturlasson, who wrote the Poetic Edda, was icelandic, though. Dwarf is dverg. I think the confusion comes from the size of the creatures. Both were very small.

Admittedly I'm availing myself of Wikipedia, but what I've turned up is three words.  Svartálfar (black elves), Dökkàlfar (dark elves), and Ljósálfar (light elves).  The confusion seems to be that the former, black elves, appears to be used synonymously with dwarf at times.  The story you described is actually mentioned as an example.

Trust me. I am norwegian. Had this stuff in school (long time ago). I think the dwarves and the dark elves were usually reffered to as conniving and pretty much up to mischief alot.  Might be why they are reffered to in the same way too.

And apparently they both supposedly live underground

And both tend to be associated with Loki.

[Heimdall]

Rawgrim wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Alv = elf in norwegian. In icelandic, i think its alf that translates as elf. AlverAlfar if plural. Snorre Sturlasson, who wrote the Poetic Edda, was icelandic, though. Dwarf is dverg. I think the confusion comes from the size of the creatures. Both were very small.

Admittedly I'm availing myself of Wikipedia, but what I've turned up is three words.  Svartálfar (black elves), Dökkàlfar (dark elves), and Ljósálfar (light elves).  The confusion seems to be that the former, black elves, appears to be used synonymously with dwarf at times.  The story you described is actually mentioned as an example.

Trust me. I am norwegian. Had this stuff in school (long time ago). I think the dwarves and the dark elves were usually reffered to as conniving and pretty much up to mischief alot.  Might be why they are reffered to in the same way too.

And apparently they both supposedly live underground

And both tend to be associated with Loki.

Fun club

[In Exile]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Faerunner: The only racism that exists in that is in your head.

At least in D&D, it is literally a function of the existence of that universe that being an elf and (a) having light skin means you're morally good while ( having dark skin means you're morally evil. 

That's... pretty bad. 

[Rawgrim]

In Exile wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Faerunner: The only racism that exists in that is in your head.

At least in D&D, it is literally a function of the existence of that universe that being an elf and (a) having light skin means you're morally good while ( having dark skin means you're morally evil. 

That's... pretty bad. 

The most popular character in the FR setting is a good dark elf, though. The drow society is pretty much evil, but that comes from the spider godess religion, more than anything else. There are tons of evil regular elves as well. Irenicus and Bodhi from BG2 springs to mind. So its not like its set in stone in any case.

[metatheurgist]

Always liked Dragon Lances' Dark Elves. They were just elves that had "turned from the light", i.e. abandoned all things good and nature loving. That would suit DA better, like an Anti-Dalish.

[WardenWade]

Rawgrim wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I could see dryads working well in Thedas. That wolf lady in the first game looked kind of dryad`ish.

Excellent point   Things may have changed and I may misremember, but I thought in The Stolen Throne dryads were in fact mentioned as one of the dangers of the Nahashin Marshes.

This is true. Could still be just tales and superstition, though.

Definitely, and these creatures may have been changed over time, to sylvans, in the lore as well. And just checking I believe it may have been The Calling in fact which referenced them; apologies for the mistake.

A small sylvan could be seen astaken for a dryad, I think. And I am sure if I saw that wolf lady in a screenshot, without knowing what she was, I would have thought Dryad right away. Hmm. I wonder if there are more of her kind out there. Someone like that would make for a very cool companion.

Agreed, it would be really interesting to run into such creatures

[Heimdall]

If there are dark elves in dragon age, I imagine they would be a handful of powerful immortal blood sacrificing mages living in the ruins of sunken Arlathan.

[Rawgrim]

Lord Aesir wrote...

If there are dark elves in dragon age, I imagine they would be a handful of powerful immortal blood sacrificing mages living in the ruins of sunken Arlathan.

Maybe like the children of the forest in GoT....Serving Loki\\The Lord of Light. Just a theory.

[Angrywolves]

Where was Arlathan btw?
Geographically to the rest of Thedas and what's there now, now being the time DA starts.
I assume the location is shown in Gaider's World of Thedas book.

[Silfren]

Rawgrim wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Faerunner: The only racism that exists in that is in your head.

At least in D&D, it is literally a function of the existence of that universe that being an elf and (a) having light skin means you're morally good while ( having dark skin means you're morally evil. 

That's... pretty bad. 

The most popular character in the FR setting is a good dark elf, though. The drow society is pretty much evil, but that comes from the spider godess religion, more than anything else. There are tons of evil regular elves as well. Irenicus and Bodhi from BG2 springs to mind. So its not like its set in stone in any case.

......Okay, look, the claim is NOT being made that within the story the evil nature of the dark elves stems FROM their dark skin.  We are talking about the tendency within literature in general for evil peoples to be dark skinned while the heroes are light skinned.  I'm not sure where you got the idea we're saying that the problem is an in-story reason for the evil to stem from skin color.  It's about the problematic association stemming from writers' prejudice.  And yes, it very much IS a thing, and has been for a very long time.  

[Former_Fiend]

ShadyKat wrote...

Does every fantasy series, need 20 different versions of elves? Dragon age did it well, with just Falish and City elves. The series doesn't need anymore.......that includes half elves!

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[In Exile]

Silfren wrote...

......Okay, look, the claim is NOT being made that within the story the evil nature of the dark elves stems FROM their dark skin.  We are talking about the tendency within literature in general for evil peoples to be dark skinned while the heroes are light skinned.  I'm not sure where you got the idea we're saying that the problem is an in-story reason for the evil to stem from skin color.  It's about the problematic association stemming from writers' prejudice.  And yes, it very much IS a thing, and has been for a very long time.  

Took the words right out of my mouth.

... I want them back. With interest. <_<

[Plaintiff]

It's bad enough that the setting has any elves.

[Shadow Fox]

Plaintiff wrote...

It's bad enough that the setting has any elves.

*murder knifes*

[Silfren]

In Exile wrote...

Silfren wrote...

......Okay, look, the claim is NOT being made that within the story the evil nature of the dark elves stems FROM their dark skin.  We are talking about the tendency within literature in general for evil peoples to be dark skinned while the heroes are light skinned.  I'm not sure where you got the idea we're saying that the problem is an in-story reason for the evil to stem from skin color.  It's about the problematic association stemming from writers' prejudice.  And yes, it very much IS a thing, and has been for a very long time.  

Took the words right out of my mouth.

... I want them back. With interest. <_<

Never.  They're MINE, damnit, ALL MINE!

[Former_Fiend]

Better question; why don't we have mindflayers? Mindflayers would be much better.

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

It's bad enough that the setting has any elves.

I have to admit that the most refreshingly original and compellingly interesting fantasy I've read lately hasn't involved any elves or dwarves or orcs at all, just different nationalities of good ol' humans.

[Plaintiff]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Better question; why don't we have mindflayers? Mindflayers would be much better.

Or, or, I know this sounds crazy, but what if Thedas was populated by original species that the writers made up themselves.

[Former_Fiend]

Plaintiff wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Better question; why don't we have mindflayers? Mindflayers would be much better.

Or, or, I know this sounds crazy, but what if Thedas was populated by original species that the writers made up themselves.

Well, yea.

I'm just saying that between the two I'd rather have mindflayers as opposed to drow.

Wouldn't mind having neither.