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[Paul E Dangerously]

I just hope all these "Let us antagonize every religious organization on the planet!" movements wind up in a scenario where it bites a PC that does so all the time (and therefore being that guy) in the backside at some point. I don't think anyone in Origins cared aside from telling you off, no matter how you mocked their views.

Modifié par Sopa de Gato, 04 octobre 2013 - 01:26 .

[Bionuts]

Navasha wrote...


Enjoy?   No...  I don't think the Qunari really 'enjoy' anything.   They feel they have 'purpose' and go about performing their role pretty much like robots.    I don't get visions of Qunari children running around chasing puppies.    I am sure they feel "comfort" in their roles since they know what is expected of them and have clear goals and expectations, but I don't sense "Joy" in any of the Qunari we have met so far. 


I am not asking to be able to taunt them and kick them.    I am asking that we be able to show our complete and utter disgust and disagreement for their worldview in conversation, just as we would any slaver we confront.

Sten missed his homeland and spoke fondly of it. He likes flowers, cats, and loves art.

It is very easy to judge someone else and preach, but your message won't get across. Just as theirs won't get across to you. It's pointless and it won't work.

[Ieldra]

Bionuts wrote...

Navasha wrote...


Enjoy?   No...  I don't think the Qunari really 'enjoy' anything.   They feel they have 'purpose' and go about performing their role pretty much like robots.    I don't get visions of Qunari children running around chasing puppies.    I am sure they feel "comfort" in their roles since they know what is expected of them and have clear goals and expectations, but I don't sense "Joy" in any of the Qunari we have met so far. 


I am not asking to be able to taunt them and kick them.    I am asking that we be able to show our complete and utter disgust and disagreement for their worldview in conversation, just as we would any slaver we confront.

Sten missed his homeland and spoke fondly of it. He likes flowers, cats, and loves art.

It is very easy to judge someone else and preach, but your message won't get across. Just as theirs won't get across to you. It's pointless and it won't work.

Don't forget the cookies!

The thing is, take almost any culture and you'll find people who are happy in it. It's not so much the normal, regular qunari I take issue with, but the expansionism and the extremes of the system, like mind-wiping opponents. If the qunari restricted themselves to live as they want and leave others alone, I still wouldn't like the culture but I could apply a "live and let live" attitude. As things are, however, they need to be defeated and pushed back to where they came from.

[Bionuts]

Yet every nation would conquer another if they no doubt had the means and convenience to do so.

I do not understand the Qunari, but I'd give them a chance to see what their homeland is like rather than going all terrorist and bombing their homes.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qunari aren't any more brainwashed into accepting their ideals, than we are accepting ours. The Qunari are the way they are, because they are brought in a world, where they learn that their way is the "correct" way. Just like you see a bunch of people on here whining about how the Qunari way is wrong, and that their way is "correct". Brainwashing is basically become a term on this board used for education you disagree with. Its a disgusting misuse of the word.

[Beerfish]

The Qunari are not brain washed at all. They are just massive hypocrites of the highest order.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't any more brainwashed into accepting their ideals, than we are accepting ours. The Qunari are the way they are, because they are brought in a world, where they learn that their way is the "correct" way. Just like you see a bunch of people on here whining about how the Qunari way is wrong, and that their way is "correct". Brainwashing is basically become a term on this board used for education you disagree with. Its a disgusting misuse of the word.

Except that's just what they do to their prisoners/would-be-converts... and if that doesn't work, just outright mental destruction will do.

[Navasha]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't any more brainwashed into accepting their ideals, than we are accepting ours. The Qunari are the way they are, because they are brought in a world, where they learn that their way is the "correct" way. Just like you see a bunch of people on here whining about how the Qunari way is wrong, and that their way is "correct". Brainwashing is basically become a term on this board used for education you disagree with. Its a disgusting misuse of the word.

Except that's just what they do to their prisoners/would-be-converts... and if that doesn't work, just outright mental destruction will do.

This exactly.   I generally have a "live and let live" philosophy.   If the Qunari kept to themselves and lived out their philosophy in their own little "Harmony" then fine.   I wouldn't have a problem with them at all.

However, when they are aggressively expansionistic and capture and enslave other free-willed people then yes, I wish to express my hostility towards them.   The destruction of someone free-will and mental enslavement is just about the most evil thing I can actually imagine.   Its a far worse thing that simple physically death or torture.

[Laughing_Man]

Navasha wrote...
This exactly.   I generally have a "live and let live" philosophy.   If the Qunari kept to themselves and lived out their philosophy in their own little "Harmony" then fine.   I wouldn't have a problem with them at all.

However, when they are aggressively expansionistic and capture and enslave other free-willed people then yes, I wish to express my hostility towards them.   The destruction of someone free-will and mental enslavement is just about the most evil thing I can actually imagine.   Its a far worse thing that simple physically death or torture.

My faith in BSN has just been restored.

[Nightwing99]

Chaos Hammer wrote...

God, I am sooo tired of the American Bashing... Freedom may not have been the politicians goals in Iraq, but its what drove the soldiers .... like the American Civil war .... thousands died to protect the freedoms of others.... claim that's not what it was but whenever any abolition documents of such (the Emancipation proclamation and such) volunteering sky rocketed for the union.... who sends more aid then anyone else to countries after natural disasters, who rebuilt the world after the World wars.

if youre an American be thankful... because without America or her influences what you've said would be called subversive and youd be in jail..... another point, with America "playing police" the Soviet Union would have brought a third world war.... probably to annihilation

So if you want to hate the US so be it.... but don't try and tell me slavery is better than freedom

I'm not American I'm from the Middle East, and I agree with you

[Laughing_Man]

Chaos Hammer wrote...

God, I am sooo tired of the American Bashing... Freedom may not have been the politicians goals in Iraq, but its what drove the soldiers .... like the American Civil war .... thousands died to protect the freedoms of others.... claim that's not what it was but whenever any abolition documents of such (the Emancipation proclamation and such) volunteering sky rocketed for the union.... who sends more aid then anyone else to countries after natural disasters, who rebuilt the world after the World wars.

if youre an American be thankful... because without America or her influences what you've said would be called subversive and youd be in jail..... another point, with America "playing police" the Soviet Union would have brought a third world war.... probably to annihilation

So if you want to hate the US so be it.... but don't try and tell me slavery is better than freedom

It's a "thing" people do to try and feel special, "not main-stream", and "enlightened".
That way they can feel like revolutionary "freedom"-fighters without actually risking themselves.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 04 octobre 2013 - 02:41 .

[Chari]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't any more brainwashed into accepting their ideals, than we are accepting ours. The Qunari are the way they are, because they are brought in a world, where they learn that their way is the "correct" way. Just like you see a bunch of people on here whining about how the Qunari way is wrong, and that their way is "correct". Brainwashing is basically become a term on this board used for education you disagree with. Its a disgusting misuse of the word.

Except that's just what they do to their prisoners/would-be-converts... and if that doesn't work, just outright mental destruction will do.

As if other Thedas countries are any better XD
This is how any country comes to power in the middle-ages, when there is still no united and orderly economical worlds and wars
It is still an age of sword and hammer

[dragonflight288]

Navasha wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qunari aren't any more brainwashed into accepting their ideals, than we are accepting ours. The Qunari are the way they are, because they are brought in a world, where they learn that their way is the "correct" way. Just like you see a bunch of people on here whining about how the Qunari way is wrong, and that their way is "correct". Brainwashing is basically become a term on this board used for education you disagree with. Its a disgusting misuse of the word.

Except that's just what they do to their prisoners/would-be-converts... and if that doesn't work, just outright mental destruction will do.

This exactly.   I generally have a "live and let live" philosophy.   If the Qunari kept to themselves and lived out their philosophy in their own little "Harmony" then fine.   I wouldn't have a problem with them at all.

However, when they are aggressively expansionistic and capture and enslave other free-willed people then yes, I wish to express my hostility towards them.   The destruction of someone free-will and mental enslavement is just about the most evil thing I can actually imagine.   Its a far worse thing that simple physically death or torture.

I agree. However, if they sent out peaceful emissaries and were able to get converts without military expansion, I would shrug and say "people can believe what they want to believe."

[Navasha]

Chari wrote...

As if other Thedas countries are any better XD
This is how any country comes to power in the middle-ages, when there is still no united and orderly economical worlds and wars
It is still an age of sword and hammer

Not actually true.   Even in the middle ages, armies fought armies in open warfare.   When the winning army shows up at the city, the civilian population generally agrees to follow the new "leaders".   However, not much else in their lives changes.   Sure, there is upheaval and stress, but even back then armies RARELY butchered civilian populations.    

When the Qunari show up they enslave and strip all civilians of their minds, separate families, and turn anyone not willing to "submit" into mindless laborers through chemical substances. 

Hardly the same thing.

[Dave of Canada]

If hatred can be portrayed, I'd love to see acceptance and even adoration for the Qun. Playing a Tal'vashoth who hates the fact that he's an exile from his own culture/people and is forced to interact with lowly bas is highly amusing.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2013 - 03:59 .

[Potato Cat]

Dave of Canada wrote...

If hatred can be portrayed, I'd love to see acceptance and even adoration for the Qun. Playing a Tal'vashoth who hates the fact that he's an exile from his own culture and people and is forced to interact with lowly bas is highly amusing.

You speak as though you already have the game.......

WHAT DO YOU KNOW?!?!

[Dave of Canada]

Elfman wrote...
You speak as though you already have the game.......

WHAT DO YOU KNOW?!?!

Aside from the fact that I'm totally a romance option in it? It's just highly amusing in my head.

Or is it?

[Chari]

Navasha wrote...

Chari wrote...

As if other Thedas countries are any better XD
This is how any country comes to power in the middle-ages, when there is still no united and orderly economical worlds and wars
It is still an age of sword and hammer

Not actually true.   Even in the middle ages, armies fought armies in open warfare.   When the winning army shows up at the city, the civilian population generally agrees to follow the new "leaders".   However, not much else in their lives changes.   Sure, there is upheaval and stress, but even back then armies RARELY butchered civilian populations.    

When the Qunari show up they enslave and strip all civilians of their minds, separate families, and turn anyone not willing to "submit" into mindless laborers through chemical substances. 

Hardly the same thing.

That's simply naive to think so. Old population may get slaughtered, enslaved or converted into beliefs of the conquerors. Old religions die, old traditions fade away, all who disagrees gets his head chopped off. These were medieval times, when people would get their hands cut off for stealing and their bodies dismembered in public for the amusement of watchers
That's how power works, compared to them, qunari are civilized :3

Modifié par Chari, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:15 .

[Daerog]

Navasha wrote...

 The destruction of someone free-will and mental enslavement is just about the most evil thing I can actually imagine.   Its a far worse thing that simple physically death or torture.

I agree, death to the blood mages! Express hatred to all who practice it, because even if they don't use mind control, they can and there are blood mages who will do it!



Oh, wait, we are talking about the Qun... well, I don't care much for showing hatred to the Qun, maybe expressing disagreement like in DA:O, but more options is more options. I would hope it is not either hate or love it, hopefully a friendly disagreement can be done. I mean, the Dalish are almost as bad as the Qunari, but instead of accepting all races, they willingly kill non elves to avoid the disease of mortality. True they don't destroy minds or treat mages like beasts, which is why they can be seen as better, but they are as "disgusting" in their worldview as the qunari. They think their way is the best way for elves and the city elves who disagree are "lost."

[Xilizhra]

Well, honestly, city elves do have rather crappy lives.

[Volus Warlord]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, honestly, city elves do have rather crappy lives.

They are only getting what they deserve.

[bEVEsthda]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, honestly, city elves do have rather crappy lives.

They are only getting what they deserve.

How do you get that?
I would guess you've missed (or are denying, for some reason) the fact that oppression works?
Has always worked. Works today. Has never failed. Revolutions come about as a consequences of relaxed oppression. Never from oppression. That's just a quasi-religous myth.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:52 .

[frankf43]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Since when is being against the Qun "bad?"

Disrespecting =/= being against

As Hawk, if you are playing an apostate mage, you should hate the Qun and it should hate you as a default state.

The same in this game. We have heard that our race will impact on how we treat and are treated by other factions, the same should be true if we play as a mage or a rogue.

[Karlone123]

It would be very dramatic being anti-qun whilst being an old-fashioned Adrastian Inquisitor.