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[frankf43]

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

[Reaverwind]

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

So, your mage enjoys being tied up, eh? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

[Vit246]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

Explain yourself.

Modifié par Vit246, 04 octobre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Vit246]

double post

Modifié par Vit246, 04 octobre 2013 - 06:36 .

[frankf43]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Laughing_Man]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

Yes it is.
I could see them allowing a few individuals into a different "role" for whatever reason, like when Sten graciously accepted a female mage warden because supposedly a warden is a "special case"...
But it will be so rare, that you might as well just ignore it.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 04 octobre 2013 - 06:44 .

[CELL55]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

From http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mage


"On the opposite end, the Qunari,
bound to order, have virtually no tolerance or appreciation for mages, which
they call saarebas (literally "dangerous thing".) Those
among them who are found to possess magical ability are kept on leashes by
special soldiers called arvaarad, and fitted with blinders. Their mouths
are sewn shut (though apparently, at some point, the stitches are cut) and
their horns are sheared off. If a saarebas misuses their powers, their tongue
is cut out."

Saarebas is indeed the only role for mages in the Qun. Read a book.

[Medhia Nox]

@Morocco Mole: Not to mention a vast majority of people in the real world.

I mean - not The Most Interesting Man in the World - just, everyone else.

[Beerfish]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The Qunari are not brain washed at all. They are just massive hypocrites of the highest order.

Which is basically everything else in Thedas anyway.

Agreed 100% that is why the Qunari are nothign special, no zen like deep thought religion or way of life.

[Medhia Nox]

@Beerfish: Many things in their pure form can be "deep thought" - but when applied to real life become corrupted.

We know too little about the Qun to have any perspective.

[Beerfish]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Beerfish: Many things in their pure form can be "deep thought" - but when applied to real life become corrupted.

We know too little about the Qun to have any perspective.

I don't disagree with your statement at all.  All I can go by is what has been presented to us in games.  The two major characters you deal with are Sten and the Arishok.  Both are very preachy, never answer a direct question with a direct answer, always leaving room to weasel out of their words and both talk about the Qun one way and then repeatedly do the same things they preach against. 

The Qunari have a bad rep in thedas and to this point it is 100% earned.  On one hand they don't seem to care abotu what others think about them and their actions and yet on the other they condemn these people for being ignorant.  They refuse to speak plainly and then get all bent out of shape when people misinterpret or make assumptions based on their actions.

[CELL55]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Beerfish: Many things in their pure form can be "deep thought" - but when applied to real life become corrupted.

We know too little about the Qun to have any perspective.

You're right, we really don't know enough about it. We should definitely try to learn more.

"So Mr. Arishok, I have a few questions about..."
"No."
"Frak!"

Well, I'm out of ideas. 

Modifié par CELL55, 04 octobre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Beerfish: Many things in their pure form can be "deep thought" - but when applied to real life become corrupted.

We know too little about the Qun to have any perspective.

We may not know everything there is to know about the Qunari, but we know enough.
Particularly about their methods of dealing with those that don't agree with them and can't be "of use" to them.
Either death, or blood-mag... errr... indoctrination-gas...

[CVigilantia]

Former_Fiend wrote...

CVigilantia wrote...


But she wouldn't. She'd essentially be given a role at birth (were she born there). It's essentially a 3-role caste system where you might be able to move and progress in your role, but you'd never be able to do what you want if you weren't assigned your ambition. It's why people don't have a name, they have a role.

I am oddly reminded of Man of Steel: "What if the child aspires to be something greater?"

Einstein could have been a soldier. Think about that.

Besides, I'm getting too many images of WW2 Japan indoctrination and fanatacism except replace the Emporer with the Qun. Their society is so rigid and set in stone, it feels like a society that will sail into a continent even though they see it coming; their path locked in by the Qun.

No she wouldn't. Qunari practice selective breeding to produce children ideally set for one role or another, but they're not so impractical in this as to ignore a child's obvious merits. A boy bred to be a soldier will be a soldier only if that is what he was best suited for. If he was better suited for the priesthood, he'd be a priest.

And if Einstein had applied his intellect towards game theory, strategy and tactics as a military officer instead of becoming a physicist, we may not have had an atom bomb. Lot of people would consider that a good thing.

You sure about that? That's like a parent looking at a kid and saying "you'll be a great soldier" at the age of 7. You can't tell that early what they'll be good at. Things change and people change as they grow up or else we'd all know what we'd want to be early in life (and NASA would have way too many astronauts now ) 

Also... the "a boy bred to be a soldier will be a soldier only if..." seems contradictory. By breeding for a specific role you innately creates bias (excluding the fact there are too many variables that early in life to say "Bob should be a Merchant"). 

Personally, I'd like a DA game where we get to explore Qunari society (whether that be DA:I or another game in the future). It'd be interesting to see the pros on cons of their system.

[EmperorSahlertz]

CELL55 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

From http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mage


"On the opposite end, the Qunari,
bound to order, have virtually no tolerance or appreciation for mages, which
they call saarebas (literally "dangerous thing".) Those
among them who are found to possess magical ability are kept on leashes by
special soldiers called arvaarad, and fitted with blinders. Their mouths
are sewn shut (though apparently, at some point, the stitches are cut) and
their horns are sheared off. If a saarebas misuses their powers, their tongue
is cut out."

Saarebas is indeed the only role for mages in the Qun. Read a book.

We ahve it from Mary Kirby that Saarebas is not the only role for mages in the Qun. However, they are all watched closely. She never elaborated on what these other roles were, and it was in response to why a Qunari would say a mage Hawke's life wouldn't be much different under the Qun.

So we have it from the writers themselves, which pretty much trumph whatever wiki page the lot of you have, that Saarebas is only one of the roles a mage can have in the Qun. I do however believe that Saarebas is also, without a doubt, the most common role for a Qunari mage, but not the only one, which was all I was saying.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:28 .

[frankf43]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

From http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mage


"On the opposite end, the Qunari,
bound to order, have virtually no tolerance or appreciation for mages, which
they call saarebas (literally "dangerous thing".) Those
among them who are found to possess magical ability are kept on leashes by
special soldiers called arvaarad, and fitted with blinders. Their mouths
are sewn shut (though apparently, at some point, the stitches are cut) and
their horns are sheared off. If a saarebas misuses their powers, their tongue
is cut out."

Saarebas is indeed the only role for mages in the Qun. Read a book.

We ahve it from Mary Kirby that Saarebas is not the only role for mages in the Qun. However, they are all watched closely. She never elaborated on what these other roles were, and it was in response to why a Qunari would say a mage Hawke's life wouldn't be much different under the Qun.

So we have it from the writers themselves, which pretty much trumph whatever wiki page the lot of you have, that Saarebas is only one of the roles a mage can have in the Qun. I do however believe that Saarebas is also, without a doubt, the most common role for a Qunari mage, but not the only one, which was all I was saying.

That was only a way out of that question. The fact that she didn't/couldn't elaborate just seals the point.

[In Exile]

frankf43 wrote...
That was only a way out of that question. The fact that she didn't/couldn't elaborate just seals the point.

It could be that Bioware doesn't want to spoil a plot point for a future game on the forums. Like how no one will tell us if the Imperium actually caused the blight by pissing off the Maker. It is, if asked right, just a yes/no Q. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

frankf43 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

From http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mage


"On the opposite end, the Qunari,
bound to order, have virtually no tolerance or appreciation for mages, which
they call saarebas (literally "dangerous thing".) Those
among them who are found to possess magical ability are kept on leashes by
special soldiers called arvaarad, and fitted with blinders. Their mouths
are sewn shut (though apparently, at some point, the stitches are cut) and
their horns are sheared off. If a saarebas misuses their powers, their tongue
is cut out."

Saarebas is indeed the only role for mages in the Qun. Read a book.

We ahve it from Mary Kirby that Saarebas is not the only role for mages in the Qun. However, they are all watched closely. She never elaborated on what these other roles were, and it was in response to why a Qunari would say a mage Hawke's life wouldn't be much different under the Qun.

So we have it from the writers themselves, which pretty much trumph whatever wiki page the lot of you have, that Saarebas is only one of the roles a mage can have in the Qun. I do however believe that Saarebas is also, without a doubt, the most common role for a Qunari mage, but not the only one, which was all I was saying.

That was only a way out of that question. The fact that she didn't/couldn't elaborate just seals the point.

Wether or not you like it is irrelevant. The fact remains the same, there are more roles than just Saarebas for Qunari mages. My guess would be that they are exceedingly rare, and only given to exceptional individuals.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .

[CELL55]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

My mage is pro-qun my friends

How much does he enjoy having his lips sown up or the collar that stops him thinking or acting for himself? 

Contrary to popular ignorance, Saarebas is not the only role for mages within the Qun.

From http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mage


"On the opposite end, the Qunari,
bound to order, have virtually no tolerance or appreciation for mages, which
they call saarebas (literally "dangerous thing".) Those
among them who are found to possess magical ability are kept on leashes by
special soldiers called arvaarad, and fitted with blinders. Their mouths
are sewn shut (though apparently, at some point, the stitches are cut) and
their horns are sheared off. If a saarebas misuses their powers, their tongue
is cut out."

Saarebas is indeed the only role for mages in the Qun. Read a book.

We ahve it from Mary Kirby that Saarebas is not the only role for mages in the Qun. However, they are all watched closely. She never elaborated on what these other roles were, and it was in response to why a Qunari would say a mage Hawke's life wouldn't be much different under the Qun.

So we have it from the writers themselves, which pretty much trumph whatever wiki page the lot of you have, that Saarebas is only one of the roles a mage can have in the Qun. I do however believe that Saarebas is also, without a doubt, the most common role for a Qunari mage, but not the only one, which was all I was saying.

I provided you with a quote and a link. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for more than just your word on the topic given my explicit evidence otherwise. 

The link says all Saarebas are mages and all mages are Saarebas. They are one in the same. 'Mage' is the Thedosian word for those born with magical abilities, just as Saarebas is the same for Qunlat. 

In this case it seems that 'Saarebas' is both their role and their description.

[frankf43]

Name one, or ask Mary to name one? The fact is there aren't. They just made a mistake with the text treating all characters alike no matter what their class. And came out with that comment as a cover.

[EmperorSahlertz]

frankf43 wrote...

Name one, or ask Mary to name one? The fact is there aren't. They just made a mistake with the text treating all characters alike no matter what their class. And came out with that comment as a cover.

Again, when a writer says something, it overrules whatever you feel about the subject. A writer has explicitly stated that there are other roles for Qunari MAges, thus there are other roles. There is NOTHING you can do about that. The only thing that can change it, is if a writer comes forth, and says there are no other roles than Saarebas. So far that has not been the case, and thus there are more roles.

And no, I honestly can't be arsed to go dig out a year old post in the wasteland that is the DA2 forum. Either take my word for it or don't, I couldn't care less, since I know the discussion took place. Just realize that the wiki, is not exactly a reliable source.