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[frankf43]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

Name one, or ask Mary to name one? The fact is there aren't. They just made a mistake with the text treating all characters alike no matter what their class. And came out with that comment as a cover.

Again, when a writer says something, it overrules whatever you feel about the subject. A writer has explicitly stated that there are other roles for Qunari MAges, thus there are other roles. There is NOTHING you can do about that. The only thing that can change it, is if a writer comes forth, and says there are no other roles than Saarebas. So far that has not been the case, and thus there are more roles.

And no, I honestly can't be arsed to go dig out a year old post in the wasteland that is the DA2 forum. Either take my word for it or don't, I couldn't care less, since I know the discussion took place. Just realize that the wiki, is not exactly a reliable source.

Sorry but it's not cannon until it's in a book comic or game.

The writers said that the Inquisitor would be human. That has proven not to be fact. there are many other instances were writers have said things that don't make it into cannon.

A comment on a web forum is not now and never will be cannon. 

Edit

The World of Thedas quite clearly states that  Saarebas is the Qunari word for mage and that Qunari mages are Saarebas. This is the only canonical evidence.

Modifié par frankf43, 04 octobre 2013 - 09:15 .

[dragonflight288]

Emperor, I have to agree with everyone else.

If you have proof that proves you right and everyone else wrong when it comes to the Qunari and mages, provide that evidence. We have a link and a quote in one post that proves you wrong, and we have in-game confirmation beyond the wiki. Sten even says it's impossible to move beyond your established role....well implies it more accurately, but it's clear that all Serrabaas/mages are treated exactly that way.

[In Exile]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Emperor, I have to agree with everyone else.

If you have proof that proves you right and everyone else wrong when it comes to the Qunari and mages, provide that evidence. We have a link and a quote in one post that proves you wrong, and we have in-game confirmation beyond the wiki. Sten even says it's impossible to move beyond your established role....well implies it more accurately, but it's clear that all Serrabaas/mages are treated exactly that way.

But you can clearly move from Sten to Arishok, and that's because the military is one branch that does have movement within it. So presumably it's might not be impossible for a mage to be a Sareebas and something else. It just depends what it means to be "something else" and how one becomes that. 

[Vit246]

In Exile wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Emperor, I have to agree with everyone else.

If you have proof that proves you right and everyone else wrong when it comes to the Qunari and mages, provide that evidence. We have a link and a quote in one post that proves you wrong, and we have in-game confirmation beyond the wiki. Sten even says it's impossible to move beyond your established role....well implies it more accurately, but it's clear that all Serrabaas/mages are treated exactly that way.

But you can clearly move from Sten to Arishok, and that's because the military is one branch that does have movement within it. So presumably it's might not be impossible for a mage to be a Sareebas and something else. It just depends what it means to be "something else" and how one becomes that. 

The Qunari military might be one exception. Because a functional Qunari military simply cannot be as presumably inflexible as Qunari mages.
Besides, for example, Karastens, Stens and Arishoks are still in the role of soldiers despite the difference in rank, so technically they have never moved beyond their established role as soldiers.

Modifié par Vit246, 04 octobre 2013 - 09:52 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Emperor, I have to agree with everyone else.

If you have proof that proves you right and everyone else wrong when it comes to the Qunari and mages, provide that evidence. We have a link and a quote in one post that proves you wrong, and we have in-game confirmation beyond the wiki. Sten even says it's impossible to move beyond your established role....well implies it more accurately, but it's clear that all Serrabaas/mages are treated exactly that way.

We got zero in-game evidence of Saarebas being the only mage role for Qunari. All we got is a bit of in-character codex entires, about Saarebas. Needless to say, some Chantry Scholar probably don't have a terribly high amount of insight into Qunari society, so it might be, that his statements are inaccurate.
As I said, I'd wager a guess that Saarebas are so numerous, and whatever the other roles are so exceedingly rare, that a common misconception of an outsider would be that all Qunari mages are Saarebas.

[In Exile]

Filament wrote...

Would social mobility apply to "things"? Saarebas aren't even allowed to speak, it seems. The arvaarad mentions that he would have to kill himself for fear of being corrupted by the saarebas' words.

Well, the class of "things" is pretty broad. A piece of wood is a thing and my desk is a thing, but they've certainly moved about in getting from one to the other. Plus, if we assume there are roles other than Saarebas, it would mean that the rules that apply to "Sareebas" don't necessarily apply to those other roles. So there might be mages who speak, they just aren't Sareebas. 

Keep in mind, all non-qunari (human elf dwarf) are "things", and they can move from bas to Basalit-An or whatever. 

Vit246 wrote...

The Qunari military might be one exception. Because a functional Qunari military simply cannot be as presumably inflexible as Qunari mages. 
Besides, for example, Karastens, Stens and Arishoks are still in the role of soldiers despite the difference in rank, so technically they have never moved beyond their established role as soldiers.

See above to your point. Also keep in mind that to the Qunari, the name given to a thing describes the thing itself. Even if Karastens, Stens and Arishoks are all of a class - military - they are distinct entities. 

Modifié par In Exile, 04 octobre 2013 - 10:17 .

[Medhia Nox]

What Emperor is saying - is that everyone here is too limited in their literalism and cannot think about possibilities.

I am not saying it's a worthwhile exercise. Thinking about what the Qun "might" have - could lead to any number of ludicrous brain farts.

However - there's way too much "making up" of things solely based on the VERY limited information that has been presented. I hardly think Emperor could be held at fault for adding to that.

The reality - nobody on these forums can make a truly informed commentary about Thedas.

So, if everyone is just making things up (and by the Maker, they do) - Emperor can theorize about the possiblity of other mages.

After all - if Sten became Arishok - then certainly the Qun is capable of dealing with presumably unprecedented events. Because - there are many Stens that can be QUITE different than the Sten you meet. Just have a chat with him about cookies.

You could easily understand why Sten might have different thoughts about Thedas now.

For the Qunari to embrace that - flies in the face of what MANY people say on here.

[khariuade]

let me repeat my self, i will kill every qunari i can.

[Medhia Nox]

@khariuade: Awesome.

[Medhia Nox]

@Morocco Mole: Didn't we cover this?

Those people have had a hard day.

[Vit246]

never mind.

Modifié par Vit246, 05 octobre 2013 - 12:38 .

[khariuade]

i dont care about mages, elves , qunari or templars, if they do not submit il kill them all.
besides the "qun" is for yuppys

[Medhia Nox]

The Qun is for yuppies? That's a new one - I like it.

The Qun is full of young urban professionals!

IF that's the case - I agree.  Kill it with fire.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 05 octobre 2013 - 12:28 .

[RazorrX]

Cowboy Saunter wrote...

lol the qun for yuppes.thats like saying steak is for vegans and one else

Wait a minute ...  Are you saying that steak is not vegan?

[In Exile]

Filament wrote...
Unless some saarebas are simply born with a higher privileged role, which doesn't seem like something the qunari would do, I don't know how a saarebas would ascend, though, when their basic ability to communicate is removed by default.

Well, one imagines you are assigned. Keep in mind that not all mages are mages from birth, and some discover their talent late. There has to be a framework for how this works, exactly. Plus, the inability to speak is not a limit on your communication. For all we know, the qunari might have a very advanced and universal system of sign language.

I suppose there could be ways-- the arvaarad could gather from nonverbal communications whether the saarebas wants to undergo certain trials to prove himself less of a danger. Or maybe he could prove himself as such through meritorious service to the qun... etc

Or she could be born hornless and lack of horns > presence of magic.

That would be interesting to know more about, but I have a feeling their role is pretty set in stone in this instance. The qunari seem very superstitious in this regard.

I think the DA2 codex is very illuminating on this. Mages are bad because mages can never achieve true self-control, hence the need for someone else to impose that control. It's not superstition, though it does flow from their quasi-spiritual beliefs. 

[Beerfish]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Really, my favorite part of these threads is how people who decry the treatment of mages and elves start talking about murdering the qunari without a trace of irony.

Many mages, many elves and the Qunari all need to be **** slapped.

[Dave of Canada]

Beerfish wrote...

Many mages, many elves and the Qunari all need to be **** slapped.

Why not just go all the way and kill every mage and elf?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 octobre 2013 - 04:26 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think Mary Kirby or one of the devs did mention that recently the Qunari have allowed mages to have roles in the Ben-Hassrath. Presumably this is the explanation as to why some Qunari seem to refer to even a mage Hawke having a role in the Qun.

[Uccio]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Really, my favorite part of these threads is how people who decry the treatment of mages and elves start talking about murdering the qunari without a trace of irony.

Because they are the most evil society in all Thedas?


Plus ox tastes good.