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[Richardthelionbutt]

I agree 100% on expressing your own opinions openly as long as they are followed by logical consequences. Being able to "hate" on the Qun, the Templars, the Mages, the Chantry, opens up so much more role play possibilities and really help shape your character.

[Star fury]

Qunari are going to have your mouth sewn.

Modifié par Star fury, 03 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Plaintiff]

I wanted an option to burn the Tome of Koslun, and then urinate on the ashes.

[n7stormrunner]

Filament wrote...

I wouldn't think killing one of their triumvirate is very respectful to their religion. He's like their battle pope.

yet they seem pretty ok with it... crazy ox men

[MakutaDax]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The problem with allowing negative opinions to be expressed by the player about anything is that players would then expect to be able to have negative opinions about other things. Like, "Oh, look, I can make a snide comment about the Qun. Why can't I do that about Andraste? Or about those people who worship a baboon they call the Eternal Figmonkey?"

All things cost zots.

Though I do agree it'd be nice to have more player agency in expressing personal opinions towards certain things. It can stick out a bit when everyone around you has an opinion and can state it as rudely or reverently as they wish.

Well, if memory serves, my mage Warden was able to diss Andraste plenty of times in Origins and even Hawke can tell Grand Cleric Elthina that she's useless in the mage vs. Templar conflict, which is basically an informal attack on the Chantry seeing as Elthina is the Chantry's highest ranking representative. So I don't think it's too much to ask for an option to let us express our dislike of the Qun and all of it's followers.

Another bad dude player.
Let me give you some advice .
It might be
Laidlaw, forget who said it, but it's possible for a player to exclude
himself from 60 percent of the game by making certain decisions.
This sounds like one of those kinds of decisions.
So no,
I wouldn't disrepect the Qun.
No polite way to do it.
Put them in their place ?
Rotfl. Bad idea pal. Good luck with that.

I also believe the devs had stated that no matter what decisions you make as the player, you can alwyas finish the game. The exclusion of certain content based on player decisions is a wonderful idea and what better way to implement it than to give the player more agency and allow them to express their personal opinions/beliefs? Especially when it comes to something as controversial as the Qun. There might be certain people who don't want the Qunari's help during one of their playthroughs simply because their character despises the Qun's doctrines (a qunari mage pc for instance). So wouldn't it suite that situation to allow the pc to say, "Get the hell out! I don't need you or your worthless Qun anywhere near my Inquisition."?

And how is that being a "bad dude player", exactly? In this context at least, the pc has shown their dislike of the Qun and even disrepespected it and its followers, but tehy're also taking a stand for what they believe in, i.e. that the Qun is bad for a multitude of reasons, not least of all what they do to this pc's fellow mages.

That's not being bad by my definition. It might not be politically smart, but then again, this is an rpg and the pc should be whatever we wish to make them.

[Mox Ruuga]

 I'm not looking to be a "bad dude", what ever that even means in this context...

All I want is for the Qunari to lose their "Can't argue with Elves" preferred status in eyes of the writers:

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CantArgueWithElves

You who love or even merely tolerate their... creed, can continue to do so in peace, but the rest of us can handle the Qunbots' ramblings without suddenly having our characters turn into spineless appeasing idiots.

In other words, give us the range of interactions towards the Qun that has been available towards the Chantry.

[Slayer299]

I don't want to be nasty to them, I just don't want to be forced to have to like them (aka Tallis MoTA) either. I want to be able to disagree about them about stuff, not just smile and agree thy are the best thing ever.

[Chari]

Can we be respectful to them too? I like both variants, since two of my Inquistors will be kossith, one anti-qun tal-vashoth and another one rather friendly-neutral vashoth

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why someone would ever want to be able to be straight up racist in a game is beyond me. Being able to show dislike for a people is one thing, but asking for being able to be racist? Quite something else.

[Jaulen]

Okay, I'm posting for 4 reasons.

1) use of the word Qunbot.....
2) use of the phrase 'battle pope'

3) I believe the locking out of content was potentially due to BEING a Qunari....not just based on in-game decisions (glad that race/class choices may effect what content is available and also glad that in-game choices may effect same)

4) yes....I want the ability to totally tell the Qun off.....just as I had characters that totally told Andrastians off.....(like defiling the ashes in DAO? Delicious! More choices like that) or the times you get to say (paraphrased) "Yeah, I don't agree with you (attack)"

Modifié par Jaulen, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:42 .

[Iakus]

What if we want to improperly disrespect the Qun?

[AresKeith]

Plaintiff wrote...

I wanted an option to burn the Tome of Koslun, and then urinate on the ashes.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why someone would ever want to be able to be straight up racist in a game is beyond me. Being able to show dislike for a people is one thing, but asking for being able to be racist? Quite something else.

Uh, the OP said "disrespect the Qun," not the qunari as a race.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Okay.

Why anyone would ever want to be able to be highly intolerant of a different view than one's own, is beyond me. Being able to show dislike for it is one thing, but straight up hateful intolerance? Something quite else.

Happy?

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:54 .

[Aolbain]

Filament wrote...

I wouldn't think killing one of their triumvirate is very respectful to their religion. He's like their battle pope.

I think thats sort of the point. But I'm so stealing "Battle Pope"

[Serpentigenae]

The Qun is a disgusting religious tumor that should be surgically removed from the surface of Thedas with sharp objects and fire; any doctrine that completely abolishes individuality and personal freedom on such a grand scale deserve no less than utter annihilation in my opinion.

[Dave of Canada]

I allowed the anti-Qunari group to stay in Kirkwall by stabbing the captive Qunari, helped cover up the murder of the Viscount's son by nailing it on the Qunari and then killed the Arishok. It's the only time Hawke was competent.

[Dave of Canada]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I wish we could have sided with the Arishok in DA2.

With him in charge neither the mages or templars would have been a problem.

Give him the Tome of Koslun and he'll live to be replaced off-screen.

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Okay.

Why anyone would ever want to be able to be highly intolerant of a different view than one's own, is beyond me. Being able to show dislike for it is one thing, but straight up hateful intolerance? Something quite else.

Happy?

Not all views are created equal. Totalitarian dictatorships that strip people of their individuality shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I wish we could have sided with the Arishok in DA2.

With him in charge neither the mages or templars would have been a problem.

Give him the Tome of Koslun and he'll live to be replaced off-screen.

We don't know wether or not he gets replaced if he survives the Battle of Kirkwall.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Okay.

Why anyone would ever want to be able to be highly intolerant of a different view than one's own, is beyond me. Being able to show dislike for it is one thing, but straight up hateful intolerance? Something quite else.

Happy?

Not all views are created equal. Totalitarian dictatorships that strip people of their individuality shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances.

Do I have to point out that this is a subjective statement passed of as an absolute truth? Or are you capable of realizing that, and thus also capable of realizing that YOU do not, in fact, hold the key to absolute truth, and thus should not try to sound like you do?

[Blackrising]

I hope there is the option to express dislike for the Qun.
That'll fit right in with my female Qunari Inqusitor concept.

That said, I'm not gonna start a riot if it isn't possible.