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[MakutaDax]

Chanda wrote...

MakutaDax wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why? Because other than the ME3 ending, the romances have caused Bioware the most trouble and negative press, that's why.

Actually, the last big "upset" I recall was over DA2's story, reused maps, and day one DLC. I can't recall much negative, recent press concerning Bioware's romances, domestically speaking.

Of course, this is me not counting internet forums, BSN included, as press. lol

If I remember correctly, people complained about waves of enemies coming out of no where, re-used caves and environments, and the unrealistic enemies collapsing into several different body parts when dying in combat kind of thing. Most that I heard about the romances were that people loved Fenris and Anders and Isabela, and were a bit creeped out by Merrill. Oh, and that people really wanted to romance Varric, but he was unavailable.

Those as well, thank you for reminding me. lol

And of all those, the only negative thing would have been the lack of Varric love, which I was bummed about as well, admittedly, but I don't think anyone went like, insane over it. And I definitely don't recall hearing any bad press because we couldn't manhandle the dwarf... xD

[MakutaDax]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why? Because other than the ME3 ending, the romances have caused Bioware the most trouble and negative press, that's why.

The concerns over Fox News' influence over our decision making is overstated.

Well yeah, you're a liberal company. I'd hardly expect you guys to take a conversative company's opinon very seriously. 'Sides  it's not like "negative press" was the only part of my statement, though it was the first one everyone jumped on.

Well you did say "most trouble and negative press" together, which kind of makes it seem like you meant them to be taken together. In my response (not sure that you care lol) I was simply lumping those two together. So I didn't mean to make it seem like I jumped on just that point as I really thought you only had the one cohesive point.

Unless you mean your later statement about sale figures? In which case I can't really make a counter-point as I haven't really concerned myself with sales and I'm not sure how much sway the Bioware devs would allow regional sales (which I bring up only in reference to your mention of the game being banned in certaon locations) vs. total sales figures to have on something like optional romances. All I can say on that is that they haven't let it hold them back to date. lol

[Allan Schumacher]

[Ieldra]

Speaking as one who has been heavily invested in a romance to an unhealthy degree:

I like the romances, but I'm very glad they're optional minor content and I wish they remain that. In spite of my occasional emotional investment, I play Bioware's games for the story, and while I think romance can add significantly to a story, I do not like it if it becomes its primary aspect.

[Dermain]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why? Because other than the ME3 ending, the romances have caused Bioware the most trouble and negative press, that's why.

The concerns over Fox News' influence over our decision making is overstated.

Well yeah, you're a liberal company. I'd hardly expect you guys to take a conversative company's opinon very seriously. 'Sides  it's not like "negative press" was the only part of my statement, though it was the first one everyone jumped on.

Negative press also has the unintended consequence of boosting the sales of a product depending on why it's getting negative press. So if Fox news goes "X product will corrupt our children *gives vague example with limited proof as an explanation*" the public could react "It's that controversial? I have to go out and buy X to find out!". So in some cases negative press is good...

[Dominus]

Well, my perception of their romantic wiles has kind of been all over the place. I vaguely remember an article of david discussing the origins of building romance in baldur's gate(The full bit can be found halfway down the page in ChewingGum UpsettingShort's Post) on how One Mr. Olhen told him to try out romance subplots despite his reluctance, and it ended up opening a large audience interested in this.

Besides that? The Fox News crisis, then ME2 had an enormous romanceable list, but the level of romance in general has slightly dwindled in BioWare games since then. In other words, that. If they want to throw in romance, that's fine, but it's generally not why I'll be hungering for the game.

Plus, the Saints Row IV parody of Mass Effect's Ultra-Humpathon likely didn't provide them much incentive to overdo it on romance.

Modifié par DominusVita, 04 octobre 2013 - 10:24 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Romances are taken for granted, it's a nice little feature that the Bioware teams have let us experience, and if what the op said is true and David and most of the other devs are getting annoyed by the feature, it's not there fault, sometimes just doing the same thing over again but in different games can become grinding.

It's like having the same bit of chocolate over and over again but in different packages, at least thats how I see it, and I apologize if I offended the devs or people with my comment.

[Star fury]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The concerns over Fox News' influence over our decision making is overstated.

That's excellent! 

[Ravensword]

Tharja wrote...

Romances are taken for granted, it's a nice little feature that the Bioware teams have let us experience, and if what the op said is true and David and most of the other devs are getting annoyed by the feature, it's not there fault, sometimes just doing the same thing over again but in different games can become grinding.

It's like having the same bit of chocolate over and over again but in different packages, at least thats how I see it, and I apologize if I offended the devs or people with my comment.

They're probably tired of the constanty recurring romance threads, especially the ones that demand that a particular character be romanceable. It's not come to the point where there are over a dozen romance options within a game series (ME series). I'm going to venture a guess and say that the writing team is probably getting tired of having to write in more character romances. It takes even more consideration in the writing process when it comes to making a character romanceable.

[Elanor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Speaking as one who has been heavily invested in a romance to an unhealthy degree:

I like the romances, but I'm very glad they're optional minor content and I wish they remain that. In spite of my occasional emotional investment, I play Bioware's games for the story, and while I think romance can add significantly to a story, I do not like it if it becomes its primary aspect.

I can't agree more.
Most importent in Bioware game's is the story but I really enjoy romances. I think that it's good the way it is now - romances are minor part of game.

[billy the squid]

Plaintiff wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...


Of course one should avoid stepping over the line into insulting the majority of their fans but if you just laugh at the creepy sweat-analyzing type nobody besides them is going to be offended.

If the majority of your fanbase happens to be those creepy sweat-analyzing types, you're doing something wrong.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

I take it you're the advocate for the waifu fan fiction patrol, so I wouldn't be suprised if you end up getting offended by people calling a spade a spade and pointing out that they're weird and creepy.

This is the kind of discussion that you want cultivated here? No wonder Priestly nuked the romance sub forums.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 octobre 2013 - 11:18 .

[SirGladiator]

I would say that the romances are a key part of the story of any game that they're in. It's all part of your character, and what you're doing in the game. Did you save the city or let it get destroyed, did you side with the mages or the templars, and who did you romance? It's not any less important than any other decision in the game, and it's more important than most, because it's the most personal. Obviously it's the least important in terms of shaping the world with your decisions, but in terms of defining your character on a personal level, and truly being able to achieve a happy ending (something that everybody except one or two ME3 writers always knew was extremely important, and certainly even they know it now) , being able to have a satisfying romance with the LI of your choice is greatly important. Even in SR4, while the romance options with Kenzie and Anya were essentially satirical in nature, the one with Shandi was a very nice, emotional romantic scene. Obviously it would've been nice if there had been more interaction with all three of those LIs, and with Bioware there obviously always is. That's what makes it so great, saving the world and ending up with the right girl, that's the ultimate goal in any game that has romance options, it makes the game a whole lot more fun. Certainly romances are what put Bioware on the map, BG2 started it all I guess, for me it was KOTOR, the Bastilla romance made KOTOR not a good game, but a great game. Obviously there have been many great romances since then, but the bottom line is that it's an extremely important feature, it always will be, I do agree it doesn't need tremendous 'time' spent on it per se, because it's just dialogue, and that's easy enough to do with minimal effort and resources (obviously love scenes require more effort, but I wouldn't mind if they just used the KOTOR and SR4 approach and did fade to black, if the alternative is the relatively poor love scenes they've been doing lately, love scenes aren't the key to a romance, the dialogue is). So long as it's deep, emotional, and meaningful, that's all that matters.

[Elanor]

billy the squid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...


Of course one should avoid stepping over the line into insulting the majority of their fans but if you just laugh at the creepy sweat-analyzing type nobody besides them is going to be offended.

If the majority of your fanbase happens to be those creepy sweat-analyzing types, you're doing something wrong.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

I take it you're the advocate for the weird creepy waifu fan fiction patrol, so I wouldn't be suprised if you end up getting offended by people calling a spade a spade and pointing out that they're bat crap crazy.

This is the kind of discussion that you want cultivated here? No wonder Priestly nuked the romance sub forums.

Well, I think that the persons who wrote that stuff should be punished not entire sub forum. They couldn't handle forum so they closed it. Part of me understand it but I fell that is a bit unfair for normal fans.

[Drone696]

Hahaha

[billy the squid]

Elanor1 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...


Of course one should avoid stepping over the line into insulting the majority of their fans but if you just laugh at the creepy sweat-analyzing type nobody besides them is going to be offended.

If the majority of your fanbase happens to be those creepy sweat-analyzing types, you're doing something wrong.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

I take it you're the advocate for the weird creepy waifu fan fiction patrol, so I wouldn't be suprised if you end up getting offended by people calling a spade a spade and pointing out that they're bat crap crazy.

This is the kind of discussion that you want cultivated here? No wonder Priestly nuked the romance sub forums.

Well, I think that the persons who wrote that stuff should be punished not entire sub forum. They couldn't handle forum so they closed it. Part of me understand it but I fell that is a bit unfair for normal fans.

That forum was like a beacon to every fan fiction writer who was into shiping. The trolls and wind up merchants didn't even have to provoke the arguments, that forum imploded on its own. I admit occasionally someone would post a silly meme and they'd kick off again, but by and large I just sat back watched as they went crazy, I'm still not even sure why the hell they started attacking eachother in the first place. 

Discussions of whether Miranda's arse was good characterisation? Who knows!?

It was reflecting poorly on BioWare, as Priestly noted, when the endless threads were popping up and moderating that disaster would have caused me to lose my sanity. It's unfortunate that you were caught in the crossfire, collateral damage I suppose. But, is it any wonder that they've tried to distance themselves from the fanatical crazies?

[Star fury]

Elanor1 wrote...
Well, I think that the persons who wrote that stuff should be punished not entire sub forum. They couldn't handle forum so they closed it. Part of me understand it but I fell that is a bit unfair for normal fans. 

Person with a common sense! Get out of bsn, you're not welcome here.

[Drone696]

Dat ass.

[Little Princess Peach]

this thread is becoming somewhat sick

[Elanor]

Seboist wrote...

The absolute worst thing I've seen spawned from the romance fandom is this thing.

I'm traumtized now. Well done. I think it off topic and you really shouldn't post that.
I wasn't aware how deep the corruption of that sub forum was.

Modifié par Elanor1, 04 octobre 2013 - 11:57 .

[Uccio]

What the heck was that???

[Bionuts]

This some Anthony Hopkins material here.