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[Sylvianus]

greengoron89 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Nothing wrong with fanfiction and fanart.

You just keep telling yourself that, and we'll keep on laughing.

And I'll keep laughing at you too. You seem ridiculous since several pages with your hyperboles, playing the "serious gamers. "

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:24 .

[Xilizhra]

General Slotts wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I can sympathize with that, Allan. The hostility generated by romance threads frustrates me also, even though I'm guilty of engaging in it.

There was no hostility from us Jack fans.  

Ironically. 

We be hella chill for the most part. 

Well, some got irrationally vexed about discussions about bisexuality, if I recall.

[Sylvianus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What does I need to prove, exactly ? Just read Fenris thread, Miranda thread, Ashley thread, Isabela thread, Aveline thread, Cullen thread and you'll see by yourself how people talk about every single thing concerning their beloved character. Make some research if you really need to see it.

Yes, yes, the Fenris thread.

For anyone who doesn't want to look, I went into the Fenris discussion thread to ask what exactly his lyrium coating did for him. Someone explained...and then said "I need something to calm down."

What does that even mean considering what I said ? There's a lot of posts well written that talk about the character, his story, what he likes, what he dislikes, some other stuffs, etc etc. A normal and delighting discussion. That was the point of my post. Are you telling me, you didn't see any of it ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:35 .

[Taleroth]

EntropicAngel wrote...

@EternalAmbiguity, 
srsly, if you don't get those backstory straight before you blunder into
a thread and ask question, people are going to ****** off. Not that we
are not patient or anything, but some stuff are really there if you pay
some attention when you play the games."

These are people with serious, serious issues.

People getting upset on the internet is actually one of the more trivial issues around. It's about as serious an "issue" as people who judge others based on forum posts.

It's worth an eyeroll, not institutionalization.

Modifié par Taleroth, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:35 .

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What does that even mean considering what I said ? There's a lot of posts well written that talk about the character, his story, what he likes, what he dislikes, some other stuffs, etc etc. A normal and delighting discussion. That was the point of my post.

That means that if people treat someone who's simply ignorant (not stupid, simply ignorant) like that, they drive out people who would be interested in discussion but aren't particularly knowledgable.

No one here berates people for not remembering what precisely Flemeth said to the Warden at the beginning of DA:O. No one berates people for not recalling what all the Arishok said. That DOES happen in the romance forums, and it drives people away.

And yet, it's quite rare for anything on romance forums to reach the point of calling each other society-destroying idiots/murderers, which does more or less occur on many non-romantic topics.

[CrabbyCrackers]

I like romance in the games, but i think for me its more the drama behind the friendships, it wasn't even a romance in dragon age 2 that made the game for me it was anders doing what he did. it was the drama between my party members with each other going on in the back ground.

[Taleroth]

EntropicAngel wrote...

That depends on what they're getting upset about. If they're getting upset because you asked a question--problem.

Problem? Sure, why not. Annoying? Definitely. Toxic to internet forums? Absolutely.

Insightful about serious real world issues? Not even close.

Modifié par Taleroth, 04 octobre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Deadmac]

Chaos Hammer wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't understand Bioware's new "romance's are annoying and suckish" stance? There are a few interviews where Gaider says something to effect of "We don't want to put that much effort into something that is ultimately optional."

I agree with Gaider.

"Dragon Age: Origins" used the romance options in an innocent manner. If the romance options are front and center, I might as well just play another game.

I want "Dragon Age: Inquisition" to be a medieval dark fantasy game.

I do not want "Dragon Age: Who am I Banging or Romancing this Week" type of game.

I want sword fighting.
I want magic using.
I want 'world lore'.
I want some character origin lore.
I want some meaningful npc and pc interaction without the fluff.

I want "Dragon Age: Inquisition" to make me feel like 'a man on a mission'.

I want "Dragon Age: Inquisition" make me feel like I am out to save the world.

Romance options be damned.

Modifié par Deadmac, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:26 .

[Sylvianus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What does that even mean considering what I said ? There's a lot of posts well written that talk about the character, his story, what he likes, what he dislikes, some other stuffs, etc etc. A normal and delighting discussion. That was the point of my post.

That means that if people treat someone who's simply ignorant (not stupid, simply ignorant) like that, they drive out people who would be interested in discussion but aren't particularly knowledgable.

No one here berates people for not remembering what precisely Flemeth said to the Warden at the beginning of DA:O. No one berates people for not recalling what all the Arishok said. That DOES happen in the romance forums, and it drives people away.

Eeer, you are describing the bsn for me (hostile ), not particularly the romance threads even if it can go even further sometimes. ( but it's true that there are things like that, I don't deny it at all.  )

My first post on the bsn. On the Mass effect board : I said I liked Ashley  and I agree with a lot of what she said in a random topic. And I was insulted of being a na*zi, I was disgusting blah blah blah with a lot of other rude words with **** . a Few players were VERY upset. They told me I was ignorant, retarded  because I wasn't able to understand what meant this specific sentence from her mouth with the council compared to the dog. My first day on the bsn. That's when I thought people on this board were weird personally lol.

Or people being jerk to those who said Qunari or kossith as if they were retarded. While actually, that's so futile, I can't even understand how someone can feel superior over that thing.

I also remember how people were very sick with the MA contest ( blonde shepard or not ) . I said I wouldn't personally like a blonde shepard, and a few players so obsessive with their blonde shepard told me their bull**** about how I was a racist, blah blah. I laughed so hard. That was a mess, people getting upset for nothing, fighting each other here too.

Otherwise, personally when I come to a specific romance thread, and I ask some question, or give my personal dislike, I don't have any issue. But I don't deny that some people go too far. But most of people are fine to me.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:01 .

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

And yet, it's quite rare for anything on romance forums to reach the point of calling each other society-destroying idiots/murderers, which does more or less occur on many non-romantic topics.

That's almost purely because those kinds of threads are for supporters only. There is no "Mage supporter thread" or "Templar supporter thread." In addition, when a dissenter makes their way into the thread they are asked to leave.

See this. You were there. It's the same concept.

Well, that's all for the best, because arguments about relationships and emotions can very easily blow up faster and harder than ones about politics, and most especially more personally. Keeping threads of that nature for supporters alone, or at least polite skeptics (which I've been on more than one thread without getting hounds after me) is just good sense.

[Taleroth]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Regardless, that's beside the point. It turns people off to discussion.

Your original claim was that these people had "serious, serious issues." Not that it turns people off discussion. I'd agree with the latter point, but don't pretend you never made the former.

Trained professionals aren't capable of discerning issues from individual events in strange environments like the internet. You definitely aren't qualified.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I love thst all the exmples of people caring about the personality of characters come from already established characters with nothing to do with inquisitions racemancer problem, which was what my original post was about.

Show me someone asking for a qunari romance who actually cares more about the character than them just being an oxperson.

[Mathias]

Kazanth wrote...

Here is a post where Chris Priestly said it was a "relatively small" percentage who played the romances. I miss his posts, it was nice to see someone telling the rabid romancers to give it a rest and his destruction of the ME3 romance forum was glorious.

Oh my god....

The way Chris behaved in that thread was pretty disrespectful. I got no issue with the mods/staff who post in the forums, I think they do a great job and it's awesome to see some of the devs take part in certain discussions. But Chris was, let's face it, not a nice guy on the BSN. I don't know what the circumstances were for his departure, but I feel that the BSN is better off without him.

I also don't believe his claim that players that pursued a romance during a playthrough make a very small percentage. I know casual gamers who played Bioware games, and ALL of them romanced Bastila, Liara, Leliana, etc.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Xilizhra]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I love thst all the exmples of people caring about the personality of characters come from already established characters with nothing to do with inquisitions racemancer problem, which was what my original post was about.

Show me someone asking for a qunari romance who actually cares more about the character than them just being an oxperson.

I think these might be most frequent in the F/F and (probably) M/M thread, but I've definitely seen the type of post you're looking for.

[Taleroth]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Show me someone asking for a qunari romance who actually cares more about the character than them just being an oxperson.

Hey, it doesn't get much more exotic than grey.

Well, blue and purple, but alas...

[Seboist]

Chris Priestly was the only moderator with enough sense to realize the ME boards needed a crackdown on romance creeps and IT nutjobs.

[Allan Schumacher]

General Slotts wrote...

spirosz wrote...

There was no hostility from us Jack fans.  

Ironically. 

We be hella chill for the most part. 

The monocle helps.


As a general comment, I think it's important to remember that for every "I don't understand how person X feels this way," there's a counterpoint of "That may not be the other person's fault."


You may find it weird that someone is expressive towards the emotional attachment they have had in a character (I know I often am surprised), but it can be hasty to conclude (something that I am that it must be some sort of disorder without knowing the person in general.  Especially on the internet where people can take on personas, and they may just find it fun to overanalyze certain things because of their own reasons.  And that is okay.

Likewise, you may find it surprising that someone is surprised by the level of detail you put into your own emotional attachments, and may even be hasty to conclude things about those people because on the surface they share an outward trait of others who may more holistically bother you.



Never mind incidents of a troll that is great at passing Poe's Law!


So someone has expressed a great level of detail in an emotional attachment in a character.  Can you understand a perspective where someone doing that is still well adjusted in reality?  If not, how much of that lack of understanding is internal rather than external?  Counterperspective: so someone feels that the level of detail that some romance fans post in their threads makes them uncomfortable.  Are you able to understand why they may have that perspective and how it may mean that a harsh judgment is not applicable?  If not, how much of that lack of understanding is internal rather than external?


You can disagree with each other because we all are human and have our perceptions and ethical compasses and so forth.  I just ask that you remain civil and if you find yourself locked in a heated discussion with someone that holds a counter position to yours as adamantly as you old your own, to disengage and acknowledge that you don't see things the same way on that particular topic.

It's when it starts to turn into "arguing to win" internet argumenting that I don the robe and moderator hat, which is when I get frustrated (and when I'm frustrated, I am also more prone to making mistakes and my filter breaks down).

[ATiBotka]

Seboist wrote...

Chris Priestly was the only moderator with enough sense to realize the ME boards needed a crackdown on romance creeps and IT nutjobs.

It's a shame he's gone.

[Allan Schumacher]

Sylvianus wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Nothing wrong with fanfiction and fanart.

You just keep telling yourself that, and we'll keep on laughing.

And I'll keep laughing at you too. You seem ridiculous since several pages with your hyperboles, playing the "serious gamers. "

This type of exchange is not productive.  You can both be laughing at each other, while I don the robe and moderator hat, if you prefer...

Well, that's all for the best, because arguments about relationships and emotions can very easily blow up faster and harder than ones about politics, and most especially more personally. Keeping threads of that nature for supporters alone, or at least polite skeptics (which I've been on more than one thread without getting hounds after me) is just good sense.

It does bias the sample, however.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:14 .

[SlottsMachine]

Xilizhra wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I can sympathize with that, Allan. The hostility generated by romance threads frustrates me also, even though I'm guilty of engaging in it.

There was no hostility from us Jack fans.  

Ironically. 

We be hella chill for the most part. 

Well, some got irrationally vexed about discussions about bisexuality, if I recall.

Hence why I said, "for the most part."