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[Mathias]

A Bioware game without romance options is like a Sundae without hot fudge. It's not needed but it makes the game so much sweeter.

[Splinter Cell 108]

greengoron89 wrote...

I couldn't tell you what "normal" involves other than having some measurable degree of sanity, but I do know what normal isn't:

www.somethingawful.com/weekend-web/bioware-social-forums/ (featuring a cameo appearance by you)

This place is a laughing stock, primarily because of the freaks who congregate in romance threads and forums. You actively contribute to that image.

This is practically the same thing that goes on in the Nexus with nude mods, skimpy armor mods, sex mods, etc. The only difference in here is that it isn't about mods, but if they were available (and they are at least for DA:O) you'd probably see the same thing happening but probably worse. I know it is entirely optional to engage or even view these "discussions" but sometimes it is just too much. So much, in fact that if they removed romances entirely you'd see this place going up in flames, and we'd be hearing about the death threats and all that. 

ME3's big mess, while I found justified had a lot of these people complaining because their LI didn't get to see Shepard or some other nonsense. That is not what is wrong with the game, it is miniscule compared to the actual problem, however some people feel that they must make everything about romances, even though they are SUBPLOTS and non-essential to the core of the games, I'd like to think BioWare doesn't want to be associated with this image, but lately I'm starting to wonder if they even care anymore, it does bring money after all.

This obsession is one that I truly cannot understand, not here and not in the Nexus. People over there worship skimpy armor mods, nude mods and sex mods and they do the same here with the characters, so much that people end up talking about ridicuious topics, there's a reason that forum was closed down and it has to do with this. 

People will always come up with excuses too, just like in Nexus they say that nude mods and sex mods tell themselves that they do it for the sake of "realism" in here they say you get "more out of the character" and that it makes them more "complex". Excuses, simple as that. 

The only difference is this, if you talk to much about it in the Nexus you get banned, I don't know what insanity led them to wanting that image but some mods are just as ****ed up as "Quarian Sweat", I had the unfortunate chance to witness one of the aberrations that some modder made up for Oblivion. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Br3admax]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Here is a post where Chris Priestly said it was a "relatively small" percentage who played the romances. I miss his posts, it was nice to see someone telling the rabid romancers to give it a rest and his destruction of the ME3 romance forum was glorious.

I also don't believe his claim that players that pursued a romance during a playthrough make a very small percentage. I know casual gamers who played Bioware games, and ALL of them romanced Bastila, Liara, Leliana, etc.

You act like romancing Bastila takes any form of emotional investment. 

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

[Mathias]

Br3ad wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Here is a post where Chris Priestly said it was a "relatively small" percentage who played the romances. I miss his posts, it was nice to see someone telling the rabid romancers to give it a rest and his destruction of the ME3 romance forum was glorious.

I also don't believe his claim that players that pursued a romance during a playthrough make a very small percentage. I know casual gamers who played Bioware games, and ALL of them romanced Bastila, Liara, Leliana, etc.

You act like romancing Bastila takes any form of emotional investment. 

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

Most of them I know personally. I can absolutely 100% confirm to you that they're pretty casual.

Also can't speak for them but I was pretty emotionally invested with my Revan's relationship with Bastila. Winning her back to the Light Side when Revan confessed his love to her was one of the coolest parts in the game. Yeah Love saved her from the Dark Side, eat that Lucas.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:18 .

[Taleroth]

Bastila was almost unavoidable. I think it takes one dialogue later on and it's set.

Mass Effect 1 was really funny with romances. Even if you avoid one, you'll probably end up one if you're simply being nice to people. My first time playing it, since I was nice to Ashely, it acted like we're in a relationship. I shut that right down when I got a chance. Which, for some reason, caused it to treat me as if I was in a romance with Liara. And when I shut that down, it ended up back on Ashley.

The nuclear option was necessary to resolve this problem.

[SlottsMachine]

Br3ad wrote...

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

Yeah, wasn't there a study that claimed only about 10 percent of games are completed. 

[Seboist]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

This is practically the same thing that goes on in the Nexus with nude mods, skimpy armor mods, sex mods, etc.

I have more respect for those Nexus modders than I do for a lot of "romance" types on here. The modders are honest about what they're after and don't try to hide behind hamster rationalizations and bs like "inclusiveness", "equality" or "character development".

[Sylvianus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I love thst all the exmples of people caring about the personality of characters come from already established characters with nothing to do with inquisitions racemancer problem, which was what my original post was about.

Show me someone asking for a qunari romance who actually cares more about the character than them just being an oxperson.

Look, here what you wrote :

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Also, I find many romancers to be shallow and petty. I've never seen one of them, even a single post, that was ever about what type of person they'd want to romance in the game. Nothing about their personality, their beliefs, their history, their anything thst makes them who they are. Instead its all about the race. "I want an elf. I want a dwarf. I wsnt a dalish. I want a kossith." Over and over and absolutely no thought into who these characters they want would be.

They don't seem to care about anything but the race. And it's so very disappointing.

it wasn't specific. You said you've never seen a single post, The S/ S thread, and The M / m thread are already full of what you said you've never seen in a romance thread lol. They share what they want. Give it a shot !  ( let alone the other topics in the DA2 forum. )

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:24 .

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, that's all for the best, because arguments about relationships and emotions can very easily blow up faster and harder than ones about politics, and most especially more personally. Keeping threads of that nature for supporters alone, or at least polite skeptics (which I've been on more than one thread without getting hounds after me) is just good sense.

That's also the reason those threads don't have the bitter fighting the MxT ones do. Which is what you were talking about.

What's your point? Should we just create single pro-mage and pro-templar threads and be done with that forever?

Come to think of it, that might not necessarily be a horrible idea... aside, of course, from the inevitable constant infractions, because those two sides are polarized against each other in a way no two romance fandoms are.

[Mathias]

Taleroth wrote...

Bastila was almost unavoidable. I think it takes one dialogue later on and it's set.

Mass Effect 1 was really funny with romances. Even if you avoid one, you'll probably end up one if you're simply being nice to people. My first time playing it, since I was nice to Ashely, it acted like we're in a relationship. I shut that right down when I got a chance. Which, for some reason, caused it to treat me as if I was in a romance with Liara. And when I shut that down, it ended up back on Ashley.

The nuclear option was necessary to resolve this problem.

That's the other thing too. It's actually pretty easy to end up in a romance with someone whether you intended to or not. Just another reason why I find the "People who romance in Bioware games are very tiny percentage" statement to be a bit far fetched.

[Br3admax]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Here is a post where Chris Priestly said it was a "relatively small" percentage who played the romances. I miss his posts, it was nice to see someone telling the rabid romancers to give it a rest and his destruction of the ME3 romance forum was glorious.

I also don't believe his claim that players that pursued a romance during a playthrough make a very small percentage. I know casual gamers who played Bioware games, and ALL of them romanced Bastila, Liara, Leliana, etc.

You act like romancing Bastila takes any form of emotional investment. 

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

Most of them I know personally. I can absolutely 100% confirm to you that they're pretty casual.

Also can't speak for them but I was pretty emotionally invested with my Revan's relationship with Bastila. Winning her back to the Light Side when Revan confessed his love to her was one of the coolest parts in the game. Yeah Love saved her from the Dark Side, eat that Lucas.

They've already done more than just about 2/3 of the people that purchased Dragon Age. Not that causal.

As to KotOR, most of the emotional investment came from the end. The rest of it was me throwing down some of the worst flirtacious dialogue I have ever heard. Sure, the end took investment, but the rest of it was, "Girl, you know you want this." Still a lot better than Carth or Juhani. 

[Mathias]

General Slotts wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

Yeah, wasn't there a study that claimed only about 10 percent of games are completed. 

I think stats were released on ME3 where 44% (I think?) completed the game.

[Cainhurst Crow]

What the hell is s/s and m/m?

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Your original claim was that these people had "serious, serious issues." Not that it turns people off discussion. I'd agree with the latter point, but don't pretend you never made the former.

Trained professionals aren't capable of discerning issues from individual events in strange environments like the internet. You definitely aren't qualified.

I said  it--it was not a "point." It was not the overarching purpose of the post.

And I stand by it. Issues are discerned from data. The romance threads, at least some of them, consistently have vaguely disturbing topics, severe waifu-husbando verbal pleasuring. Conclusions can be drawn from consistent data.

Oh, good grief. You can't discern whether any damage is actually being done without being able to look at them in real life, otherwise it's just your own prejudices.

[Deadmac]

If the romance options get in the way of establishing world lore, I would make their availability as small as possible. I would rather learn more about the world.

Modifié par Deadmac, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:27 .

[Br3admax]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Bastila was almost unavoidable. I think it takes one dialogue later on and it's set.

Mass Effect 1 was really funny with romances. Even if you avoid one, you'll probably end up one if you're simply being nice to people. My first time playing it, since I was nice to Ashely, it acted like we're in a relationship. I shut that right down when I got a chance. Which, for some reason, caused it to treat me as if I was in a romance with Liara. And when I shut that down, it ended up back on Ashley.

The nuclear option was necessary to resolve this problem.

That's the other thing too. It's actually pretty easy to end up in a romance with someone whether you intended to or not. Just another reason why I find the "People who romance in Bioware games are very tiny percentage" statement to be a bit far fetched.

In ME(I mean the game), yes, but after that it's really easy to avoid. In DA, it's even easier to avoid. Don't say, "Gurl, you pretty." Don't say, "Girl, get in my tent." Don't say, "Let's get royal.' Don't say, "Damn, elf, get in my tent." It's actually really easy. 

In DA ][, it's really easy. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Br3ad wrote...

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think.

Even hardcore fans might not finish a game.  For some of us, finishing the game isn't particularly important.  But that doesn't mean we're not heavily invested in the game, or that we haven't played it for hundreds of hours.  We just didn't play it in a way that produced finishing results.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wondering what their penis would feel like is though. ((Which I personally saw posted snd discussed seriously in one of the now locked qunari romance threads.))

Fortunately, I've never been with a qunari so I couldn't tell you what it would feel like. That said, I think it's safe to assume qunari mate the same way as humans do. The game is not obligated to go into that kind of detail, however; it's best left to the player's imagination.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:28 .

[Br3admax]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Anyway, most gamers don't even finish the game. How many of your friends did. If they finished it, they aren't as causal as you may think. 

Yeah, wasn't there a study that claimed only about 10 percent of games are completed. 

I think stats were released on ME3 where 44% (I think?) completed the game.

38% actually. 

[Mathias]

Br3ad wrote...


They've already done more than just about 2/3 of the people that purchased Dragon Age. Not that causal.

You know it's pretty obnoxious to tell me I'm wrong about my friends when you don't even know them and I've know most of them for 15+ years now. I know they're hobbies, I know they're personal lives, and I know what they like and dislike. I am telling you, right now. They aren't that into video games. During High School and especially College they had a lot more down time to spare, so they played some video games, but for the most part they aren't big gamers.

As to KotOR, most of the emotional investment came from the end. The rest of it was me throwing down some of the worst flirtacious dialogue I have ever heard. Sure, the end took investment, but the rest of it was, "Girl, you know you want this." Still a lot better than Carth or Juhani. 

So you had a different experience than I did. I was pretty invested with my relationships with the characters since the start of the game.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:29 .