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[AresKeith]

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

[zMataxa]

AlanC9 wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


Completion of romances shows in the tracking data. I suppose he could be lying about what the data shows, but to what end?

It's only tracking if you go online.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least that those who enjoy romances are least likely to go "register achievements" and get the latest DLC.

My understanding is that data collection happens whether you're logged in or not, unless you've explicitly opted out of data collection. Logging in only syncs stuff to your profile. I could be wrong, though.

Data can't be tracked if you just activate the game and then play offline.
It's a physical impossiblity - unless spyware is inserted. 
And I can tell you - there is no spyware.

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

[Br3admax]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:21 .

[Chaos Hammer]

Can I just say how amazed I am that given the first page of this thread.... And many others lol that this thread hasn't been locked... Probably only because the devs came in and cleaned it... Eh well have fun that's all

[zMataxa]

Chaos Hammer wrote...

Can I just say how amazed I am that given the first page of this thread.... And many others lol that this thread hasn't been locked... Probably only because the devs came in and cleaned it... Eh well have fun that's all

___________

True it was locked for a short while.
But I don't think Allan cleaned one post.
It's a testimony to how mature we've all become

[zMataxa]

Br3ad wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

Are you agreeing about it being exagerration?
You know there would be many in society that would deem your abundant presence on BSN as unhealthy and unproductive. 

Modifié par zMataxa, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:29 .

[leaguer of one]

zMataxa wrote...

Chaos Hammer wrote...

Can I just say how amazed I am that given the first page of this thread.... And many others lol that this thread hasn't been locked... Probably only because the devs came in and cleaned it... Eh well have fun that's all

___________

True it was locked for a short while.
But I don't think Allan cleaned one post.
It's a testimony to how mature we've all become

.......BSN has matured?! Impossible!!!!

[Br3admax]

zMataxa wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

Are you agreeing about it being exagerration?
You know there would be many in society that would deem your abundant presence on BSN as unhealthy.

I'm not emotionally attached to BSN, so that's great. This is something that I do on my phone will talking to real people. It's called multitasking, not fan worship. 

[zMataxa]

leaguer of one wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Chaos Hammer wrote...

Can I just say how amazed I am that given the first page of this thread.... And many others lol that this thread hasn't been locked... Probably only because the devs came in and cleaned it... Eh well have fun that's all

___________

True it was locked for a short while.
But I don't think Allan cleaned one post.
It's a testimony to how mature we've all become

.......BSN has matured?! Impossible!!!!

_____________________

OK.  Matured maybe not.
How about maturity +10?  Just enough to skate under the lockhammer! LOL!

[Kallimachus]

Br3ad wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

The "unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters"? Are you serious? Are you certain you are not the one who is "unhealthy"? Are you just ignorant of any psychological or artistic theory and practice? Or is it just a tactic to express your misplaced and arrogant derision of anyone who disagrees with you?

Modifié par Kallimachus, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:32 .

[zMataxa]

Br3ad wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

Are you agreeing about it being exagerration?
You know there would be many in society that would deem your abundant presence on BSN as unhealthy.

I'm not emotionally attached to BSN, so that's great. This is something that I do on my phone will talking to real people. It's called multitasking, not fan worship. 

The number of posts and time spent would open the way for some to argue that you're downplaying your presence here.  Trust me - I'm guilty as much as you. 

Modifié par zMataxa, 04 octobre 2013 - 08:33 .

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...
My understanding is that data collection happens whether you're logged in or not, unless you've explicitly opted out of data collection. Logging in only syncs stuff to your profile. I could be wrong, though.

At least for me, I'm pretty sure I have to change a setting in the options menu, and I believe the EULA for the game says as much though I haven't glanced at it since I installed DA2. 

Edit: can someone tell me what this thread's about now?  

I think it's a very good idea to not try and figure that out. 

[Br3admax]

zMataxa wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

So what's going in this conversation with Xil and EA?

He wants to save my soul or something.

That sounds like you exaggerating 

Agreed. From what I read, he's talking about the unhealthiness about odd fantasies and fictional characters. I agree. 

Are you agreeing about it being exagerration?
You know there would be many in society that would deem your abundant presence on BSN as unhealthy.

I'm not emotionally attached to BSN, so that's great. This is something that I do on my phone will talking to real people. It's called multitasking, not fan worship. 

The number of posts and time spent would open the way for some to argue that you're downplaying your presence here.  Trust me - I'm guilty as much as you. 

What exactly was the point in this, considering I never said that I didn't spend a lot of time on BSN. I said that his is something that I do while doing other things. If you must know. this is what I do during class, because in general I find lecture boring. So I could either talk during class, which won't happen, or I can talk about a video game, which is happening right now.

Even considering your point valid, eating a cheeseburger is unhealthy. Being stabbed in the stomach is unhealthy. Not having a social life is unealthy. Hearing voices is unhealthy. Which of those repsective ones do you think is a bigger deal? 

[zMataxa]

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...
Edit: can someone tell me what this thread's about now?  

I think it's a very good idea to not try and figure that out. 
[/quote]
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Ultimately, i think this snipped statement below from David a few hours ago is what this thread was about.
Perhaps? it just took a lot of tumult in this thread and all the threads before it - to bring this clarification of Bioware stance.
Or maybe we were just lucky.
Deep thank you to David.
Cheers!!

[quote]David Gaider wrote...

There are people who like romances, and
for whom they're the most important element in our game. There are also
people who don't use the romance content at all. We know this. The fact
that these fans like to take pot-shots at each other is irrelevant to
us-- the romance content is not going anywhere and we will keep working
to improve it even if it's not the dominant feature in the game...
despite how annoying both those groups can sometimes be about it. That
is our stance.
[/quote]

[David Gaider]

Right. Enough of this.

The games are designed to be perfectly playable, and the story still completely relevant, even if you don't indulge in the romances.

For those who do, that story now encompasses the romances. They are the same thing.

Romances do not dominate BioWare's outlook no matter how many posts get made, even if they dominate the thoughts of some of the fans. Any post that states a liking for romance does not have to be swatted down lest us feeble developers suddenly become convinced to make the entire game revolve around romance.

And if, in your opinion, it already does-- an optional part of the game you don't have to use-- then you probably shouldn't play, as the amount of content is proportionally no greater than before.

Any more of the accusations, insults, or other such nonsense will earn people bans next time. I suggest people avoid such topics if they really don't like them, rather than get sucked into arguments, or leave the forums.

[Allan Schumacher]

EDIT: I didn't realize David closed the topic. I figure I'll keep this here in general because I (arrogantly ) think it's some good food for thought, but yeah, I agree with David's assessment that insults just don't help.

This is just disturbing, Xil. The fact that you indulge disturbs me.

I don't think this is entirely fair.

One thing I like about video games (especially RPGs) is that I can explore decisions that maybe I'd be less inclined to do in real life.

On some level, I can understand your trepidation (I'm not entirely comfortable with doing some things that I, personally, have strong reservations for... I also don't think I'd be the best candidate for creating that content), but looking at it at its most basic, I kill a lot more people in video game land than in real life.

Though I think rationalizations and justifications can exist for stuff like that. Taking ME3, for example, I totally punch that Quarian in the kidneys for trying to blow me up.... put Allan Schumacher in that exact situation and I'm probably not quite so forth coming. Even going further, it can be interesting (even just on a period of self-reflection) to play an evil character. I find it fascinating when I can still conclude "What I did was a pretty dastardly thing to do!!"

Now granted, on some level you can argue I'm probably not genuinely playing an evil character. After all, Allan Schumacher (who is generally a "good guy" >.> Right? right?....) is simply playing what he thinks would be appropriately evil, and probably isn't truly feeling what an evil person would feel doing those choices. But it's still interesting.


It gets tricky though with increasingly taboo subjects. Things like gay relationships are becoming increasingly accepted. As a result, our own comfort level in enabling those sort of things increases, and that's mostly a reflection of our own perspectives and how those perspectives aren't static, and how they're influenced by society around us. Taking something more extreme, you'll find innate resistance simply within the studio because some of those walls are still going to be up. Maybe some of those walls should remain up, although maybe some of the perceptions we have aren't entirely fair. But things like the inclusion of homosexual relationships is as much a reflection of the studio going "You know, we're much more open to this sort of stuff as a group." Some of this because new people come in, and some of it because we grow and evolve as human beings.


Though, as a counter point (since I tried to point this out earlier):

it seems like the problem is on your end.

People are very quick to assume the problem is on the end of the other person. To be frank, the conclusion I came to reading this is that you're being just as indicting towards EntropicAngel as he is being towards other people.

In this sense, I think it's a situation of both parties being different human beings who have different concerns about different things and the influence that it has.


More generally, it's also important to remember that because a person identifies with a part of a group, when someone makes a comment about a trait of that group, an anecdote of "I do not display that trait" can also mean "then the original complaint doesn't apply to you" and not necessarily "therefore the original complaint is invalid since I am a counterexample." I can see this all the time where someone will lambast someone for an extreme take on a position, and a more moderate on that position will feel as though the critique is against the position, rather than the extreme take.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 04 octobre 2013 - 09:20 .