BioWare should implement Romance DLC. It's a win-win. BioWare has an opportunity to monetise a beloved feature that will be wildly profitable and people get more in-depth romance content they want that are geared to their specific tastes.
I have two suggestions for DLC packs:
1. Virginal girl next door.
2. Crazy up the wall, let's have it on right here.
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#52
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:30
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You aren't as casual a gamer as you think you are.MakutaDax wrote...
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I'm not.
Most casual gamers are just going to run through the main quest and never do any optional content.
As a casual player, I must say that I do all of the optional content that I can, simply because I love the DA universe and enjoy seeing all aspects of it. Of course I realize you were generalizing on purpose (and quite possibly correctly), so please don't think I'm making this post simply to refute your statement. As far as romances, I do enjoy them for what they add to my roleplaying experience. I prefer Origins romances to DA2 romances purely because I feel they had so much more depth to them and they were of a higher quality.
Having said that, I could certainly play the game without having romances as I would still love and enjoy the DA world, but at the same time, my roleplay experience would be diminished for the lost content, particularly where my companions are concerned.
As for Mr. Gaider's comments, I have to agree that he probably doesn't hate the romances themselves, but I'm sure he gets pretty pissed off over all of the crap the romances set off amongst the fans. Then again, I'm not some personal friend or confidant, so my supposition could be wildly inaccurate. Still, could I see Bioware diminishing the importance/breadth of their romances? Definitely. Could I see them removing them from their future games entirely? Not really.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:34
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They obviously care about the romances in their games, and while they may not be great they are certainly better then anything else your going to find. I may have problems with bioware's recent games, but they always do a good job on their characters, even if the interaction with them needs some work its only because the characters are worth interacting with.
As someone who greatly enjoys the romances in the game and feels they add a lot of value to developing your character I do feel the forums get way out of hand in regards to the romances in the game. If it was just excitement about them or curiosity about who will be available it would not be so hard to tolerate but it goes so much further then that.
As someone who greatly enjoys the romances in the game and feels they add a lot of value to developing your character I do feel the forums get way out of hand in regards to the romances in the game. If it was just excitement about them or curiosity about who will be available it would not be so hard to tolerate but it goes so much further then that.
#54
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:34
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3. CrazyCrustyBot wrote...
BioWare should implement Romance DLC. It's a win-win. BioWare has an opportunity to monetise a beloved feature that will be wildly profitable and people get more in-depth romance content they want that are geared to their specific tastes.
I have two suggestions for DLC packs:
1. Virginal girl next door.
2. Crazy up the wall, let's have it on right here.
Don't forget that one Crusty
#55
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:36
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As long as there #3 allows for your own harem and at least once chance to say "Thou shall report to thine galley, we shall bangeth, is this acceptable?"CrustyBot wrote...
BioWare should implement Romance DLC. It's a win-win. BioWare has an opportunity to monetise a beloved feature that will be wildly profitable and people get more in-depth romance content they want that are geared to their specific tastes.
I have two suggestions for DLC packs:
1. Virginal girl next door.
2. Crazy up the wall, let's have it on right here.
#56
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:46
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Br3ad wrote...
You aren't as casual a gamer as you think you are.MakutaDax wrote...
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I'm not.
Most casual gamers are just going to run through the main quest and never do any optional content.
As a casual player, I must say that I do all of the optional content that I can, simply because I love the DA universe and enjoy seeing all aspects of it. Of course I realize you were generalizing on purpose (and quite possibly correctly), so please don't think I'm making this post simply to refute your statement. As far as romances, I do enjoy them for what they add to my roleplaying experience. I prefer Origins romances to DA2 romances purely because I feel they had so much more depth to them and they were of a higher quality.
Having said that, I could certainly play the game without having romances as I would still love and enjoy the DA world, but at the same time, my roleplay experience would be diminished for the lost content, particularly where my companions are concerned.
As for Mr. Gaider's comments, I have to agree that he probably doesn't hate the romances themselves, but I'm sure he gets pretty pissed off over all of the crap the romances set off amongst the fans. Then again, I'm not some personal friend or confidant, so my supposition could be wildly inaccurate. Still, could I see Bioware diminishing the importance/breadth of their romances? Definitely. Could I see them removing them from their future games entirely? Not really.
Oh, okay; I can totally go with that!
I say that mainly because I've always considered myself a casual gamer based on my preference for story over combat. By which I mean, I like DA combat, though I always play on the casual or normal difficulties, but I never get into games with truly difficult combat simply for the sake of making the player's life hard. For instance, most of what I've read on Dark Souls is all about how the game is so challenging and you're "guaranteed to die x amount of times" and those games have never appealed to me (of course, I've never tried the game so I am going on reviews and player comments and such).
Even on the BSN some people want to make a distinction between enjoying a game with mid-low level difficulty and one with some insane, "you will reload at least five times before you beat this first boss!". And the distinction usually is that only casual gamers enjoy the former and they are some how beneath "serious" players who enjoy the latter. I've even seen where some believe that DA should be more like Dark Souls and be a "serious" challenge, which I don't want. Like I said, I just love the story and the world.
Does any of that make sense? Sorry, I was semi-rambling so I can't entirely tell.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:50
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Its because Bioware has chosen to make romances a defining part of Bioware games and the Bioware brand. While simultaneously recognizing that even though romances will be in every Bioware game until the end of time, they still only warrant a limited amount of resources.
I've even suggested in the past that Bioware just go all out, dumping huge amounts of resources and zots into romances in an attempt to make them better and more believable. But I doubt that will ever happen.
I've even suggested in the past that Bioware just go all out, dumping huge amounts of resources and zots into romances in an attempt to make them better and more believable. But I doubt that will ever happen.
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#58
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 12:55
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uh, no Bioware doesn't .
At least Gaider doesn't .
Whether it's because of outside censors aka Fox News, overzealous fans that span the gamult from those wanting full frontal nudity to the hate romances and all romance fans are deviants crowd.
I think Gaider is tired of it, the allegedly fewer romances in DAI, which if true contradicts his previous statements on DAI romances , proves it.
The cutting back romances statements he made in the GI interviews proves it imo.
Bioware doesn't need to have romances to be successful. Maybe they'll have vanilla romances at some point to please the romantics, romances without any sex, but Bethesda has done it successfully.
So can Bioware .
So I feel romances like Bioware have been doing are on the way out.
At least Gaider doesn't .
Whether it's because of outside censors aka Fox News, overzealous fans that span the gamult from those wanting full frontal nudity to the hate romances and all romance fans are deviants crowd.
I think Gaider is tired of it, the allegedly fewer romances in DAI, which if true contradicts his previous statements on DAI romances , proves it.
The cutting back romances statements he made in the GI interviews proves it imo.
Bioware doesn't need to have romances to be successful. Maybe they'll have vanilla romances at some point to please the romantics, romances without any sex, but Bethesda has done it successfully.
So can Bioware .
So I feel romances like Bioware have been doing are on the way out.
#59
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:01
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Morocco Mole wrote...
I'm not.
Most casual gamers are just going to run through the main quest and never do any optional content.
Most casual gamers never even finish the main quest to begin wtih, so yeah, this is very accurate.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:05
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#61
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:05
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http://gamerant.com/...omance-details/
According to this interview, they aren't pulling away from romances, but instead are trying to improve upon them. This is something I can totally get behind. Romances are a great way to build on already solid characters, so improving their initialization and progression seem like solid ideas.
According to this interview, they aren't pulling away from romances, but instead are trying to improve upon them. This is something I can totally get behind. Romances are a great way to build on already solid characters, so improving their initialization and progression seem like solid ideas.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:12
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Romances are an interesting bit of optional content, and I usually try them when they're available in games.
But they are still only peripheral to my enjoyment of the game. I found Awakening to be perfectly fine without any romance options at all, and I'm sure I would enjoy DA:I without romances just as much as I would with them.
But they are still only peripheral to my enjoyment of the game. I found Awakening to be perfectly fine without any romance options at all, and I'm sure I would enjoy DA:I without romances just as much as I would with them.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:28
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General TSAR wrote...
You can thank the creepy fans.
While they are one (and probably the most major since they generally cause a lot of what I will say in this post) cause. I don't consider them the only one. Look at any discussion about Bioware. It always goes to romances. Whether you love them or hate them it seems to be romances are the only thing people care to discuss when it comes to Bioware.
And I can see that annoying the writers.
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#64
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:32
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Not what I read dax, in the GI article .
But you believe whatever you want.
But you believe whatever you want.
#65
Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:40
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Romances improve character development. It makes the player care for the people around them.
What I don't like are the romance scenes. They should just not include them at all if they're planning on half-*ssing them. You do it right, or you don't do it at all.
What I don't like are the romance scenes. They should just not include them at all if they're planning on half-*ssing them. You do it right, or you don't do it at all.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:43
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I'd argue that romances hamper a lot of character development. There are many characters in Bioware games who simply do not grow as characters unless you start a romance with them.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 01:52
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Angrywolves wrote...
Not what I read dax, in the GI article .
But you believe whatever you want.
I assume you mean this article? http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Because what I read from it seems to mesh with "taking a more nuanced approach" as I mentioned in my earlier post from the other article. I might have missed it, but I didn't see anything about them having fewer romance options. I did see that they weren't going to go detail-crazy like some people seem to want. It sounds more like they're trying to strike a balance with the romances as opposed to diminishing them or doing away with them.
From what the article said, they're seeking to improve the method of romance instigation to make it more natural and seamless, which I definitely want them to do. I don't need a dozen romances, or even romance period, but if they're going to include it, I would like it to at least seem organic, or more so than Origins/DA2 at any rate. lol
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 02:20
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You're confusing this nuanced approach in DAI with his future intentions.
Yes DAI will do romances differently.
Big deal.
Says nothing about Gaider's opinion about romances .
He doesn't like them, probably for the reasons I mentioned .
Not worth it imo to deal with those pitfalls in doing the risque romances when Bethesda did Skyrim and had huge success with the romance headaches.
Yes DAI will do romances differently.
Big deal.
Says nothing about Gaider's opinion about romances .
He doesn't like them, probably for the reasons I mentioned .
Not worth it imo to deal with those pitfalls in doing the risque romances when Bethesda did Skyrim and had huge success with the romance headaches.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 02:28
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They're still doing them. Just not with any more resources than they have in the past.
Personally, I like 'em. They provide an alternative view to a character, and Bioware's characters are very good.
Plus, whether they like it or not, their romances tend to be more satisfying than I expect you'd find elsewhere. They have agency, personality, chemistry, and quality time, as it were. Skyrim may have character but no chemistry - you basically just say 'okay we're married now, open a store'. And I don't think the dating sims people keep saying Bioware isn't making don't have the quality time - you don't go out together fighting dragons and saving townships, you probably just kinda bum around talking about how fabulous you, the player, are. (For some reason players need to be constantly told they are fabulous without working for anything...) And a movie may have personality, chemistry, and quality time (at least if it is any good) but lacks agency and therefore self-projection.
Bioware staff don't like how romances have consumed their product, and that is fair enough. If they made more romances, the teams responsible would have to sacrifice content - through time, or resources - planned elsewhere.
But since imo they're probably one of the only groups that can make the experience satisfying, they'll continue to be in demand. Not just because Bioware is good, but because Bioware is the ONLY ONE who is good.
Personally, I like 'em. They provide an alternative view to a character, and Bioware's characters are very good.
Plus, whether they like it or not, their romances tend to be more satisfying than I expect you'd find elsewhere. They have agency, personality, chemistry, and quality time, as it were. Skyrim may have character but no chemistry - you basically just say 'okay we're married now, open a store'. And I don't think the dating sims people keep saying Bioware isn't making don't have the quality time - you don't go out together fighting dragons and saving townships, you probably just kinda bum around talking about how fabulous you, the player, are. (For some reason players need to be constantly told they are fabulous without working for anything...) And a movie may have personality, chemistry, and quality time (at least if it is any good) but lacks agency and therefore self-projection.
Bioware staff don't like how romances have consumed their product, and that is fair enough. If they made more romances, the teams responsible would have to sacrifice content - through time, or resources - planned elsewhere.
But since imo they're probably one of the only groups that can make the experience satisfying, they'll continue to be in demand. Not just because Bioware is good, but because Bioware is the ONLY ONE who is good.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 02:32
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Ultimately Bioware wants Skyrim like profits.
They can do it without romances imo.
They can do it without romances imo.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 02:36
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Angrywolves wrote...
You're confusing this nuanced approach in DAI with his future intentions.
Yes DAI will do romances differently.
Big deal.
Says nothing about Gaider's opinion about romances .
He doesn't like them, probably for the reasons I mentioned .
Not worth it imo to deal with those pitfalls in doing the risque romances when Bethesda did Skyrim and had huge success with the romance headaches.
You keep comparing Skyrim to Dragon Age. One will never be the other. One has its good points and bad points, and so does the other. Bethesda and Bioware make their games in different formats, and that's good. We don't need game clones. Variety is the spice of life.
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It's worth mentioning that Skyrim didn't actually do romances. You wore a necklace, went up to an eligible person, said "You wanna marry me?" and married them and moved in together.
That's not romance anymore than "I am SWORN to carry your burdens!" is a real companion (in comparison to Bioware).
So the comparison there doesn't hold water.
That's not romance anymore than "I am SWORN to carry your burdens!" is a real companion (in comparison to Bioware).
So the comparison there doesn't hold water.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 03:31
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For most games that offer romance, that's what it is.
Also, this idea that Gaider doesn't like romance is total nonsense. His blog discussing them makes it clear that isn't the case.
Also, this idea that Gaider doesn't like romance is total nonsense. His blog discussing them makes it clear that isn't the case.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 03:31
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@EntropicAngel: So, you think romance is a few dialogue trees and some clothes on sex scenes?
I'm not saying I disagree with you necessarily - but CRPG romances are universally ill structured.
I'm not saying I disagree with you necessarily - but CRPG romances are universally ill structured.
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Posté 04 octobre 2013 - 03:33
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I can't believe I forgot about the OVERSATURATION of Romance Threads.Morocco Mole wrote...
While they are one (and probably the most major since they generally cause a lot of what I will say in this post) cause. I don't consider them the only one. Look at any discussion about Bioware. It always goes to romances. Whether you love them or hate them it seems to be romances are the only thing people care to discuss when it comes to Bioware.
And I can see that annoying the writers.
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