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[David7204]

I can. It's thematically unjustified to punish the player for not finding Jack the best romance option. Or alternatively, for being female.

This is a story about good and evil. About ideals. The consequences need to be based on those ideals. Not on which character the player wants to romance.

Modifié par David7204, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Br3admax]

Modifié par Br3ad, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:23 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I can. It's thematically unjustified to punish the player for not finding Jack the best romance option. Or alternatively, for being female.

God damn I hate consequences in my game about choices and consequences

[Plaintiff]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Insulting people just for caring about your work isn't any kind of acceptable.

Sure it is.

I'm sure you think so.

Authors, artists, whomever do it all the time. When dealing with some of the weird fanboy types out there how can you blame them?

I can blame them very easily. Being "weird" isn't a crime, neither is being obnoxious about your weirdness. And if anyone should be able to sympathise with weirdos, it's the man who makes a living out of playing make-believe.

Of course one should avoid stepping over the line into insulting the majority of their fans but if you just laugh at the creepy sweat-analyzing type nobody besides them is going to be offended.

If the majority of your fanbase happens to be those creepy sweat-analyzing types, you're doing something wrong.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

[zMataxa]

David7204 wrote...

That depends on how strongly the arc is altered. They certainly should not become a completely different person because you romance them.

________________

That would mirror reality. No?
But it would add to the resource cost.
For some of us, that's an awesome added dynamic that makes the whole experience more bitter-sweet.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That depends on how strongly the arc is altered. They certainly should not become a completely different person because you romance them.

Why not?  Does it not show how powerful a presence and influential the protagonist is?

No David's right on this one, having the protagonist be the ubergod who can do anything and have characters break their own character for them and their magic fixing junk is a bad idea.

[zMataxa]

Plaintiff wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Insulting people just for caring about your work isn't any kind of acceptable.

Sure it is.

I'm sure you think so.

Authors, artists, whomever do it all the time. When dealing with some of the weird fanboy types out there how can you blame them?

I can blame them very easily. Being "weird" isn't a crime, neither is being obnoxious about your weirdness. And if anyone should be able to sympathise with weirdos, it's the man who makes a living out of playing make-believe.

Of course one should avoid stepping over the line into insulting the majority of their fans but if you just laugh at the creepy sweat-analyzing type nobody besides them is going to be offended.

If the majority of your fanbase happens to be those creepy sweat-analyzing types, you're doing something wrong.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

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Any chance you guys can take this to another thread so this one doesn't get locked down?

[Steelcan]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That depends on how strongly the arc is altered. They certainly should not become a completely different person because you romance them.

Why not?  Does it not show how powerful a presence and influential the protagonist is?

No David's right on this one, having the protagonist be the ubergod who can do anything and have characters break their own character for them and their magic fixing junk is a bad idea.

Well i'd think the protagonist cna have an effect on those who follow him.  Not anything radically changing, no turning Isabela into a good Chantry-going girl (outside of RP:whistle:)

[Chari]

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

Chari wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Chaos Hammer wrote...

They're part of what made Bioware unique though..... like I said im not saying they are needed I don't really care one way or another....

Hardly.

Bioware became what it was because, for a long time, they made good RPGs with very good mainstream appeal. Not because of the romances. Because few people actually do the romances.

Romances with companions are one of the things that do make Bioware's games unique. No other wRPg company makes romances like them. I can tell for sure, based on players I know, that without romances lots of fans wouldn't give a flying damn about Bioware

Which is a sad statement.

It hardly is. There is a good number of different RPGs and players look for sth both enjoyable and unique. Bioware make great characters, but I'd not say they make great RPGs. Without companions and romances... they just would be like the rest of RPGs, just without proper combat and proper ton of dialogues

[Br3admax]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That depends on how strongly the arc is altered. They certainly should not become a completely different person because you romance them.

Why not?  Does it not show how powerful a presence and influential the protagonist is?

No David's right on this one, having the protagonist be the ubergod who can do anything and have characters break their own character for them and their magic fixing junk is a bad idea.

Being intimate with someone will make them very easily influenced by you. They won't change their core beliefs, but their outlooks on many things becomes much more maliable. 

[slimgrin]

Chaos Hammer wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't understand Bioware's new "romance's are annoying and suckish" stance? There are a few interviews where Gaider says something to effect of "We don't want to put that much effort into something that is ultimately optional."

Then I for once agree with him. This romance bullsh*t has gone from novel to scary in a few short years.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

This is a story about good and evil. About ideals. The consequences need to be based on those ideals. Not on which character the player wants to romance.

Ummmm....

No


Its a story about making "hard and meaningful" choices and dealing with the consequences.

If it was about "Good and Evil" there wouldn't be dialogue options to support Cerberus or be racist

[DatOneFanboy]

damn i dont know which argument should i join, there's so many of them .

[zMataxa]

David7204 wrote...

I can. It's thematically unjustified to punish the player for not finding Jack the best romance option. Or alternatively, for being female.

This is a story about good and evil. About ideals. The consequences need to be based on those ideals. Not on which character the player wants to romance.

________________

I don't see how the MAIN story line really suffers.
In ME3 (the game you did play) you still end up having tons of adventures and sorting out the Reaper Climax.
You just got there by a different path.
No?

[Ryzaki]

Yep. I have no problems with hardeneding Alistair or Leliana. (Or Morrigan's "softening")

I'd been upset if that was restricted to romance though.

[Br3admax]

Morocco Mole wrote...

in fact, you'd be doing me an enormous favour if you ****ed off forever.

How rude.

My point. 

[AresKeith]

Modifié par AresKeith, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:20 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm currently reading this thread (just hit the second page), but if your sole contribution was to counter with snark at someone for starting a thread, I may not be the happiest dev in the world.

Note, at this point in the project there isn't a whole heck of a lot to talk about. Some light general plot points, some snippets of gameplay, and some speculation about companions. Romances are an easy enough topic and for some it's what they really like about our games, and that's fine too.

Now you could say that we should release information, but that is our fault, not someone that starts this thread. If the thread topic bothers you, please feel free to skip it.


In the mean time, I'm going to lock this thread. Once I am done cleaning it up, I'll reopen it. If you've posted snark and have been generally ****y to each other, this is your opportunity to make sure I don't see it.

[Allan Schumacher]

Unlocking thread to allow people to edit (thanks filament).... I am now on page 3.... >.>

[Inquisitor Recon]

Plaintiff wrote...
I'm sure you think so.

Yes, which is why I wrote that.

I can blame them very easily. Being "weird" isn't a crime, neither is being obnoxious about your weirdness. And if anyone should be able to sympathise with weirdos, it's the man who makes a living out of playing make-believe.

Well I certainly can't blame somebody for speaking bluntly about those fans which cross that line where dedication becomes something else. An author has the right to speak his or her mind, same as anybody else, regardless of how right or wrong their views may be.

It's not a matter of who or how many people will be offended. It's a matter of being a decent person and not a dick.

Decent person? That boring song and dance? It's much more fun to say what everybody is thinking about the weirdest part of a fanbase. Everybody else speaks their mind for better or worse these days, why shouldn't an author or artist?

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 04 octobre 2013 - 05:22 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Another day, another thread, huh guys?

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think its more they dislike the annoying, rabid, really creepy fans that they attract, and the fact its the only thing anyone (from both sides of the argument) talk about. Not the romances themselves.

edit: and to be fair to Bioware, they have always held the same stance about romances being minor content.

Also, thread was over on the first page.

I wouldn't even characterize their stance as "romances are annoying" when they seem more annoyed by the drama it causes on the BSN and the negative attention it draws to them (see: the infamous SomethingAwful round-up).