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[dumdum2]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

My point was either missed earlier, or not deemed worthy of response. I'll try it one more time. I would add a corollary rule to your proposal:

After a player has graudated to a certain level of difficulty, he can no longer return to a lesser difficulty.

And the point of that would be?

You seem upset at the inconvenience that lesser players sully your lobbies.  Why should lesser players endure your preening in difficulties well below your ability?  What can the unwashed masses learn while you're spawn-nuking on Bronze?

It would prevent the degradation of skill on the part of elite players, and it would protect other players from some insufferable e-peen strokers.  I'm not saying we have any in here or anything, but I've heard stories.

If they don't like it then they always have the choice to do a few solos and get up to a higher difficulty themselves.

I for one enjoy to pick my Quarian Male Infiltrator with Grenade Capacity and Power Amplifier. Set the map to Ghost, enemy to Geth and difficulty to Bronze. Get a full lobby then kill everything with Arc Grenades before the randoms even have time to shot. Once had a random who couldn't get any points at all until wave 3 objective. But you see, if I have worked my way up to a higher difficulty then I deserve to go back and have some fun. No one likes to lose and those PUGs wouldn't last 30 seconds on Gold, so it would be fun for no one and as I said, if they don't like it then they can just get better themselves and reap all the benefits from it.

[Supreme Leech]

Inconsistent Seas wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

I think this is a great idea. It means that you would have to become quite familiar with a particular difficulty setting before you can progress to a higher difficulty. One of the major problems with this game is the huge number of useless/new players inflicting their presence on more experienced players on platinum. If you can't comfortably solo platinum, your success rate in platinum pugs will be very low. And even if you are a good soloer, platinum pugs will be long and tough.

All these problems would be solved by what you have suggested, dumdum. Either learn to play the game, or stick to bronze.

Gold is easy enough to solo, so this idea would work. Any decent platinum player can solo gold.

Have you solo'd plat?

I haven't soloed platinum. My success rate in pugs is very low, because everyone dies at the beginning of every wave, on each wave, so I rarely make it past wave 8...because I can't solo platinum. If I do manage to extract, the game lasts over 40 minutes. I've been avoiding playing platinum pugs for quite a while, haven't done regular platinum pugs in a couple of months.

[Supreme Leech]

David Diablo wrote...

What's up motherfucker! 
All we need is some of your "buddies" to show for round two to begin. 

Hi David!! :happy: Nuttin' much, whatzupwitchu?

[dumdum2]

XFG-65 wrote...

Gold is easy enough to solo, so this idea would work. Any decent platinum player can solo gold.

That is exactly my point. Any DECENT platinum player can solo gold, but most platinum players of today are way below decent and they really should stick to bronze.

[David Diablo]

XFG-65 wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

What's up motherfucker! 
All we need is some of your "buddies" to show for round two to begin. 

Hi David!! :happy: Nuttin' much, whatzupwitchu?

Nada. I'm on my laptop, so now I can quote. Waiting for shit to kick off... 

[Supreme Leech]

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

[dumdum2]

Marek Intan wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...
1. Elitism doesn't sell games? Have you really never heard of Call of Duty? I would say that elitism sell even more games and of course it makes the game fun since you get a shared winner mentality between players as well as a competition to be the best player that you can possibly be. Also, I did respond to your comment about you kicking ass on Gold

2. No, players can't choose what they want to play. First you have to play games to get credits, then you have to spend those credits in the store, then you have to rinse and repeat for many hours until you finally get what you need in order for you to play the way you want

1. I don't solo Silver. Doesn't mean I can't. I just don't. You seem to think that soloing Silver is a prerequisite for scoring above 30k on Gold. Also, your idea would be like limiting players to 1 map and game mode in CoD until they get a 3.0 k-d ratio. Would that be fun? No.

2. Yes, players can choose how to play. You're changing the grounds of the argument by implying that choice=equipment. That is not my point at all. Did anyone force you to FBWGG? No. Does anyone force you to BoS? No.

1. First you say that you can barely manage to solo Silver and now you make it sound like you could easily do it if you wanted, what shall it be?

2. Luckily for me I got my first bronze solo done after about a week, then my first silver solo after one more week and then my first gold solo one week after that. After about two months of having this game I could solo gold with lvl 1 characters. When Platinum first came out I did a solo of it and got 10 waves survived in my first try. So I never had to farm and I've always managed to be able to play on a high level. But very seldom have I been able to play the game I want, and why is that? Reset powers cards and consumables! So yes, choice=equipment for me and it has been like that basically since the game was released

[Marek Intan]

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

This is actually a reasonable point, XFG. If Platinum availibiltiy was tied to time played, I'd have no problem. Tying Platinum availibility to soloing Gold is way too restrictive.

[VaultingFrog]

I am still waiting to care about you stroking your e-peen.

[David Diablo]

dumdum2 wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...
1. Elitism doesn't sell games? Have you really never heard of Call of Duty? I would say that elitism sell even more games and of course it makes the game fun since you get a shared winner mentality between players as well as a competition to be the best player that you can possibly be. Also, I did respond to your comment about you kicking ass on Gold

2. No, players can't choose what they want to play. First you have to play games to get credits, then you have to spend those credits in the store, then you have to rinse and repeat for many hours until you finally get what you need in order for you to play the way you want

1. I don't solo Silver. Doesn't mean I can't. I just don't. You seem to think that soloing Silver is a prerequisite for scoring above 30k on Gold. Also, your idea would be like limiting players to 1 map and game mode in CoD until they get a 3.0 k-d ratio. Would that be fun? No.

2. Yes, players can choose how to play. You're changing the grounds of the argument by implying that choice=equipment. That is not my point at all. Did anyone force you to FBWGG? No. Does anyone force you to BoS? No.

1. First you say that you can barely manage to solo Silver and now you make it sound like you could easily do it if you wanted, what shall it be?

2. Luckily for me I got my first bronze solo done after about a week, then my first silver solo after one more week and then my first gold solo one week after that. After about two months of having this game I could solo gold with lvl 1 characters. When Platinum first came out I did a solo of it and got 10 waves survived in my first try. So I never had to farm and I've always managed to be able to play on a high level. But very seldom have I been able to play the game I want, and why is that? Reset powers cards and consumables! So yes, choice=equipment for me and it has been like that basically since the game was released

So much for being average... 

[dumdum2]

Marek Intan wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

This is actually a reasonable point, XFG. If Platinum availibiltiy was tied to time played, I'd have no problem. Tying Platinum availibility to soloing Gold is way too restrictive.

That would just be plain stupid in my opinion. Why? Because it would not be hard to learn how to solo bronze, silver and gold really fast, so to have a time limit might actually make it take a lot longer before you can unlock a difficulty level.

[dumdum2]

David Diablo wrote...

So much for being average... 

I was never really average to be honest 

[Shophet Palaiologos]

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

Agreed. One of the main reasons I don't pug platinum is because it's usually full of people looking to leech. What would be required playtime entry though? 50H? 100H?

[Marek Intan]

dumdum2 wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...
1. Elitism doesn't sell games? Have you really never heard of Call of Duty? I would say that elitism sell even more games and of course it makes the game fun since you get a shared winner mentality between players as well as a competition to be the best player that you can possibly be. Also, I did respond to your comment about you kicking ass on Gold

2. No, players can't choose what they want to play. First you have to play games to get credits, then you have to spend those credits in the store, then you have to rinse and repeat for many hours until you finally get what you need in order for you to play the way you want

1. I don't solo Silver. Doesn't mean I can't. I just don't. You seem to think that soloing Silver is a prerequisite for scoring above 30k on Gold. Also, your idea would be like limiting players to 1 map and game mode in CoD until they get a 3.0 k-d ratio. Would that be fun? No.

2. Yes, players can choose how to play. You're changing the grounds of the argument by implying that choice=equipment. That is not my point at all. Did anyone force you to FBWGG? No. Does anyone force you to BoS? No.

1. First you say that you can barely manage to solo Silver and now you make it sound like you could easily do it if you wanted, what shall it be?

2. Luckily for me I got my first bronze solo done after about a week, then my first silver solo after one more week and then my first gold solo one week after that. After about two months of having this game I could solo gold with lvl 1 characters. When Platinum first came out I did a solo of it and got 10 waves survived in my first try. So I never had to farm and I've always managed to be able to play on a high level. But very seldom have I been able to play the game I want, and why is that? Reset powers cards and consumables! So yes, choice=equipment for me and it has been like that basically since the game was released

1. DUDE. The guy who said that he could barely manage to solo Silver wasn't mean. That was DullansxMark. Not me. Also, you dropped the elitism point.

2. You're the 1%. You have more time availibe to be devoted to the game than others. Again, don't speak like you can speak for the rest of the playerbase.

[cato potato]

dumdum2 wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

So much for being average... 

I was never really average to be honest 

You were always a cunt though.

[Supreme Leech]

Marek Intan wrote...

This is actually a reasonable point, XFG. If Platinum availibiltiy was tied to time played, I'd have no problem. Tying Platinum availibility to soloing Gold is way too restrictive.

I'm not saying you have to play a certain number of hours before platinum should become available. I was just highlighting the fact that the majority of players found in platinum pugs are brand new players, they would struggle on bronze.

Addressing your second point, it's not really restrictive. It took me a very long time to get comfortabl on platinum - well after I was able to solo gold. Gold is easy enough to solo, because there are certain character/enemy/map combinations that are very easy. We're not talking about soloing gold with a level 0 vorcha hunter using the shuriken against collectors on condor here. The point I am trying to make is that Gold is easy enough to solo and I really don't think it would be a big restriction. The fact is that platinum is pretty hectic and can get quite hard if you're the only decent player on the team.

[Shophet Palaiologos]

eyezonlyii wrote...

as someone who just started playing the multiplayer after owning the game since launch, I have to say that this would definitely turn me off to playing. you don't even solo in SP with less enemies. why on earth would i want to do ten waves by myself?

You wouldn't. OP just be trolling

[dumdum2]

Shophet Palaiologos wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

Agreed. One of the main reasons I don't pug platinum is because it's usually full of people looking to leech. What would be required playtime entry though? 50H? 100H?

See, a few months ago I posted a video of a Gold solo I made with a lvl 0 character using the Avenger. Two days ago I got top score in a Platinum game with a lvl 0 Geth Trooper using the GPS.

My point with this is that I started soloing Gold and could get top scores before I had even maxed out my common weapons. So my suggestion lets the player make a choice whether he wants to advance to a higher level or not and he can also decide when that's going to happen. To have a time limit also limits the players in making any kind of choice whatsoever.

[Supreme Leech]

Shophet Palaiologos wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

Agreed. One of the main reasons I don't pug platinum is because it's usually full of people looking to leech. What would be required playtime entry though? 50H? 100H?

I think you may have missed the point. I wasn't really saying that there should be a time rquirement. Not at all. But usually, time played is a good incdicator of experience (notice I say experience and not skill). And when I see that someone has 50 hours or less...the chances that they can handle platinum are almost nil. There are always exceptions, however. There is an xbox player with roughly 200 hours who can solo platinum.

[Marek Intan]

dumdum2 wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

We're talking about players who have under 50 hours in the game who are playing on platinum. A lot of the time, I'll quickly jump on N7 HQ and look up some of the players that I encounter in platinum pugs. It's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those same players would struggle a little on bronze. And when the rest of your team ends up with a combined score of under 100k at the end of a platinum game...that poses a problem.

This is actually a reasonable point, XFG. If Platinum availibiltiy was tied to time played, I'd have no problem. Tying Platinum availibility to soloing Gold is way too restrictive.

That would just be plain stupid in my opinion. Why? Because it would not be hard to learn how to solo bronze, silver and gold really fast, so to have a time limit might actually make it take a lot longer before you can unlock a difficulty level.

Then don't restrict at all.

Geesh, I thought video games were supposed to be this escapist fun thingy, where everyone accepted everyone else.

Nope. Apparently, it's a professional sport with no moderators, meant to ostracize whoever the mob deems unworthy.

[dumdum2]

Marek Intan wrote...

1. DUDE. The guy who said that he could barely manage to solo Silver wasn't mean. That was DullansxMark. Not me. Also, you dropped the elitism point.

2. You're the 1%. You have more time availibe to be devoted to the game than others. Again, don't speak like you can speak for the rest of the playerbase.

1. You, Dullans, I don't care because if you can't solo Gold with ease then you shouldn't be playing platinum in my opinion. If you can solo silver then congratulations to you, it takes about 15 minutes with a standard kit and low level equipment without using rockets, so well done

2. I believe that I can speak for the active playerbase. Who really cares about players who just plays for a few hours every now and then and who will just put it back on the shelf after a month or so?

[David Diablo]

dumdum2 wrote...

David Diablo wrote...

So much for being average... 

I was never really average to be honest 

I know, I know... Probably why you get on a lot of people's nerves. 

[Supreme Leech]

Marek Intan wrote...

Geesh, I thought video games were supposed to be this escapist fun thingy, where everyone accepted everyone else.

Nope. Apparently, it's a professional sport with no moderators, meant to ostracize whoever the mob deems unworthy.

Playing a 67 minute platinum game is not my idea of escapist fun. What is fun, however, is a fast paced platinum game with friends where everyone is playing well.

[Shophet Palaiologos]

XFG-65 wrote...


I think you may have missed the point. I wasn't really saying that there should be a time rquirement. Not at all. But usually, time played is a good incdicator of experience (notice I say experience and not skill). And when I see that someone has 50 hours or less...the chances that they can handle platinum are almost nil. There are always exceptions, however. There is an xbox player with roughly 200 hours who can solo platinum.

Ah, OK no time requirement then. We in agreement that the majority of low hour, newbie players probably shouldn't be on plat though (with exceptions of alt accounts/second manifests)?

[dumdum2]

Marek Intan wrote...

Geesh, I thought video games were supposed to be this escapist fun thingy, where everyone accepted everyone else.

Nope. Apparently, it's a professional sport with no moderators, meant to ostracize whoever the mob deems unworthy.

Ehh, welcome to 2013, we are glad to have you!