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[SnakeStrike8]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

So first they remove the Mako and by inference all instances of planetary exploration in the vehicles and now they're going to sell/give us the vehicle with no instances of planetary exploration?
Man, I wish I worked in Bioware. I'd love to know what's going on behind the scenes there...

No no, they sell/give the vehicle, then they sell us the individual DLC planets that you can only explore with said vehicle. No vehicle, no DLC planets.

But said vehicle will be given/sold BEFORE said planets are made available. This is what I said, no? And also what you said.
So to summarize what I said, I said that said vehicle will be given/sold to the public before said planets are made available to require said gamers to use said vehicle to explore said planets.
So until said planets are made available for purchase, said vehicle will be sitting in said gamer's cargo hold and gather dust.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Sorry if I've missed something, I don't visit the forums frequently, but is the Hammerhead THE planetory exploration vehicle? And hence we can't do any planetory exploration quests unless we've downloaded it?

We can land on the planets by drop ship, but it's in a small area called a "N7" mission and we do the mission and get out. The Hammerhead is the Mako of ME2, so you can't just drive around without the DLC.

Oh, good. I didn't realize the N7 missions were supposed to be on foot and thought Bioware was actually putting them in the game then withholding the means to travel through them until you pay for the DLC.

[hawat333]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

except its free so........you were saying?

Except only the Day One DLC was confirmed to be free. We don't know if the Hammerhead will be free.
However, I do hope it comes under the banner of the Cerberus Network, which seems to provide some free DLCs here and there.

[Gill Kaiser]

It seems to me that Bioware listened to the community when they asked for more variety and uniqueness in planetary exploration, so they replaced the Mako searches with the individual N7 on-foot missions. However, they also wanted to add some vehicle stuff, so they're giving us free vehicular-based DLC missions. I imagine the first one of these will be free as a taster, and then future DLC missions that might involve the Hammerhead will be regular paid DLC.

[JrayM16]

I'm not crazy about the hammerhead thing. W/ DA:O dlc so far its been mostly about augmenting the experience as opposed to adding totally new mechanics. I'd prefer it stay that way. Warden's Keep wasnt a major part of the gameplay experience it was just this neat little thing that had some good benefits. This hammerhead thing seems to be an arbitrary way to restrict content, but its hard to say before we see the game.

[Kolos2]

jomonoe wrote...

This is a welcome spin on things. If this were any other game, I'd write it off as just a money grab. But this is Bioware: Mass Effect 2!!!!! I'll gladly pay them for DLC as long as they keep it fresh.

thats the kind of a sucker attitude most companys love to hear from its costumers, but at least you aint apologetic;
Buying means supporting and I wont spend a buck for such a plain ripoff; if thy give me Yvonnes phone number as an compesation however i might reconsider

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:33 .

[FutureBoy81]

this is truly a nuisance bioware can definetly count me out for the third installation, only reason why im keeping this one is because ive already ordered it online and canceling is too much of a hassle, plus ive invested in a new t.v. to play this game, oh well your definetly losing a customer with m..

[Major Alenko]

Well the DLC for dragon has been terrible, its totally not worth it. You pay $5 for pratically a side quest. It will be the same for ME2, add more N7 missions, which will be 400ms points, compared to the game its a total rip off. ME2 30-40 "N7" missions and the entire game = $50 So really the N7 missions are $1 each + the game. Then you go to DLC and all is added its the same quality you got in the game for $5. I'm just blabbering on again nvm me lol

[Dave of Canada]

FutureBoy81 wrote...

this is truly a nuisance bioware can definetly count me out for the third installation, only reason why im keeping this one is because ive already ordered it online and canceling is too much of a hassle, plus ive invested in a new t.v. to play this game, oh well your definetly losing a customer with m..

Boo hoo, your loss.

[ramdog7]

FutureBoy81 wrote...

this is truly a nuisance bioware can definetly count me out for the third installation, only reason why im keeping this one is because ive already ordered it online and canceling is too much of a hassle, plus ive invested in a new t.v. to play this game, oh well your definetly losing a customer with m..

O boo freakit boo cry them a river:crying:

[ramdog7]

but they did say that with the 1st day release DLC they will be including new missions(probably planet exploration mission). if this is true then all we have to do is get the hammerhead.

[Cactot]

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I intensely dislike DLC. Now a days it is often just content that was cut from the original in a lazy attempt to squeeze more money out of the used-games market, and slowly drain the pockets of new game buyers as well. It used to be that for $20-30 you could get an expansion that was nearly as long as the original campaign, where now that would be broken up into 6 DLC's and you end up paying twice as much for the same content. In addition, you never gain "ownership" of the product you purchase, in no other industry would it be tolerated if the base product was handicapped in order to gain a portion of the profits from the reseller. When I sold my car, the new owner did not have to go to mercedes and purchase windows, seats, and a radio because they were "locked" to the original owner.



I love many of Bioware's products, and will continue to support them (which i probably shouldn't since I disagree with their business practices, they are lucky they often make great games). That being said, I prefer this "soft" form of DRM to the draconian DRM's some dumb ass manufacturers have tried to use (starforce anyone?). I am glad they haven't let EA (god how i hate EA, they are the enron of the video game business) entirely ruin them. That being said, it still rankles me to not be able to "own" the product that I bought and paid for, and all the rights that entails.



All I can say, is that I hope that they prove me wrong and deliver over and above expectations for the DLC content. I won't even get started on the fact that digitally distributed media costs the same (or even more, on occasion) than conventionally distributed media and what a farce that is.

[Kolos2]

ramdog7 wrote...

but they did say that with the 1st day release DLC they will be including new missions(probably planet exploration mission). if this is true then all we have to do is get the hammerhead.

yeah and an apple pie while you at it

The first mission will most likely be in line with the added party member; it was stated many times now that Hammerhead will be relised AFTER lunch

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:25 .

[Dave of Canada]

Kolos2 wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

but they did say that with the 1st day release DLC they will be including new missions(probably planet exploration mission). if this is true then all we have to do is get the hammerhead.

yeah and an apple pie while you at it

The first mission will most likely be in line with the added party member; it was stated many times now that Hammerhead will be relised AFTER lunch

Yay, I can eat lunch and come back home to enjoy the hammerhead.

[Tomka_Neiren]

I just don't get why they made it so complicated? The Hammerhead doesn't seem like the perfect DLC item for various reasons:



- You have to release future DLC split up for HH owners and other players

- I bet the Devs would have loved the opportunity to use the HH in the main quest

- Players get a locked area on the Normandy

- Somehow it seemed like a hard thing to explain storywise, but when I think about it - it's scifi...



Makes me wonder whether they had some problems durig development and needed extra time?



But generally, I'm happy it's in the game anyway and will surely get it!

[ReDSH1FT]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

except its free so........you were saying?

http://www.ea.com/ne...erberus-network

Since the Cerberus Network Card included with new copies of the game only provides free access to the Day One DLC and the Hammerhead DLC is stated to be released AFTER launch, I would assume that the Hammerhead DLC will have a fee associated with it. Don't set your hopes on it being a free download. It'll probably be 1200 MS points or around $12-15.

maybe you should read links before you post them. It clearly says that the new character, new items, and the Hammerhead are all part of the "Cerberus Network", which is either included or a one-time purchase.

Everything mentioned is part of the same package, just not all at the same time.

I LOLd at this guy's wrongness.  Hammerhead won't be free, L2READ.

[Kiln223]

Elithranduil wrote...

If it's anything like the Dragon Age DLC I will be disappointed.

If only Bioware could take a leaf out of Bethesda's book and make some solid Fallout-sized DLC packs.

If they were more like Bethesda they might have shipped the game with so many bugs you can't complete it.

[Dave of Canada]

Elithranduil wrote...

If it's anything like the Dragon Age DLC I will be disappointed.

If only Bioware could take a leaf out of Bethesda's book and make some solid Fallout-sized DLC packs.

Shale wasn't a bad DLC pack, to be honest. While it might've not been a fully explorable desert or anything, Shale was still a very well written character that blurred into the whole story.

[The Revanent]

Reconfire89 wrote...

Seeing as so many complaints from the first game were over the Mako's unkind controls, maybe BioWare assumed that not everybody wanted the tank as a necessity.

In that sense, they may have planned the main game purely as an on-foot adventure.

Possibly, the entire DLC includes an array of extra content cut from the core game that BioWare thought wouldn't appeal to some players, but that they still wanted to have implemented. And that's why it's all been compiled together as free content for those who would like it.

That's just speculation, though.

But speculation with logic sir, I applaud you and belive that this is a likely reason in addition to the likely idea that they had to take it off the discs cuz they were running out of memory space. I do hope that the Hammerhead is free but if it isn't I'll still pay for cuz I love vehicle based combat (even the hard to control Mako from ME1) and I want to support BioWare so they can make more games. Little side note, I'm BEGGING a Dev to come tell us how long we will have to wait for the Hammerhead download.

[JoshAO]

If you don't like DLC don't buy it and if it's free download it's a bonus not needed for the main game you can still play it

[Dave of Canada]

Elithranduil wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...

If it's anything like the Dragon Age DLC I will be disappointed.

If only Bioware could take a leaf out of Bethesda's book and make some solid Fallout-sized DLC packs.

Shale wasn't a bad DLC pack, to be honest. While it might've not been a fully explorable desert or anything, Shale was still a very well written character that blurred into the whole story.

I don't classify Shale as true DLC because it was intentionally held back to begin with.

He was cut from the game, he wasn't even supposed to be in there. When the game was delayed for a month, they had time to work and finalize him.

[JKoopman]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

except its free so........you were saying?

http://www.ea.com/ne...erberus-network

Since the Cerberus Network Card included with new copies of the game only provides free access to the Day One DLC and the Hammerhead DLC is stated to be released AFTER launch, I would assume that the Hammerhead DLC will have a fee associated with it. Don't set your hopes on it being a free download. It'll probably be 1200 MS points or around $12-15.

maybe you should read links before you post them. It clearly says that the new character, new items, and the Hammerhead are all part of the "Cerberus Network", which is either included or a one-time purchase.

Everything mentioned is part of the same package, just not all at the same time.

Uh... actually, no. The "Cerberus Network" is just the name BioWare chose to give to the in-game DLC management service. It's no different than the "Downloadable Content" tab in the DA:O options menu, albeit probably a bit flashier. It's been repeatedly stated that the Cerberus Network Card that ships with all new copies of ME2 grants "free access to exclusive Day One content" ala the Stone Prisoner DLC and the free redemption cards that shipped with each new copy of DA:O. Every subsiquent DLC released after launch will have a fee attached, regardless whether you have a Cerberus Network Card or not. The Card only grants you free access to the one launch day DLC. Meaning if the Hammerhead is NOT launch DLC (which the article clearly points out it ISN'T), it likely WILL have a fee.

So perhaps it is YOU who should learn to read, lest you mouth off about that which you know not to those who know more.

Modifié par JKoopman, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .