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[dragonflight288]

The world is on the brink of war. Change is coming to the world.

There are some who will resist change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes change is what they need most.

Qunari who resist their role become TalVashoth, and killed for what they are, and is completely uncompromising to the point of destroying the minds of those who refuse to convert. Tevinter is a thriving metropolis of blood magic and a proud institute of slavery. The Chantry has fallen apart at the seams, and is in many ways a bastion of corruption and abuse.

As the Inquisitor, it is your role to save the world from itself. Whom has your support? Who will be destroyed if they don't match what your ideals, or would you allow them to live if they support a treaty that calls for peace?

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Essentially, do you think Tevinter, the Chantry or the Qunari are better or worse than each other, and who has your support, if any.

[Xilizhra]

Why would I have to pick one of those to support?

[AutumnWitch]

Thedas is a morally corrupt place...there needs to be some HUGE catastrophe to bring everyone together....oh wait....the veil tear...maybe things will be better this time after its dealt with.

[TheKomandorShepard]

i hope i can blew up that mess and watch ending where my inquisitor is last living thing and sits on the beach and says finally now i have peace.

I don't like tevinter , chantry and qunari.

"As the Inquisitor, it is your role to save the world from itself."
my method saving world from itself ***Spoiler arcanum ending*** and everyone was happy:P

[Wulfram]

If the world is in real danger then it's not time to play silly politics, you get everyone on board who is prepared to help. And if you have to pick sides then you pick the side that can provide the most help.

Morally I find the Chantry the least offensive, particularly if it has parted ways from the Templars. The actual Chant of Light seems to broadly advocate moral actions. But that may or may not be relevant depending on the circumstance of the game.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Between those three the Chantry is by far the best choice. Like it's not even close. In fact the Chantry is barely even a side like the other two are. The Imperium and the Qunari are single empires that answer exclusively to one absolute authority. The Chantry is a religion that has major influence over several seperate nations, but doesn't control them. The Imperium is a corrupt government that keeps an overwhelming number of brutalized slaves and even non citizens are often downtrodden and disenfranchsied unless they are mages. And most people are not mages. The Qun has authoritarian to the point where they control everyone's lives completely, and are rigidly dedicated to spreading their message by the sword alone. The Andrastian nations all have problems but nothing like on that scale.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 04 octobre 2013 - 10:31 .

[Medhia Nox]

Isn't "playing silly politics" exactly what everyone was doing when this happened?

Do you think people would stop?

[thats1evildude]

I support the ghasts.

[Wulfram]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Isn't "playing silly politics" exactly what everyone was doing when this happened?

Do you think people would stop?

No, I don't think people would stop.  Not until they obvously don't have a chocie. But that doesn't mean I have to do the same thing

[Medhia Nox]

@Wulfram: Fair enough.

However - do you think that the narrative should reflect idealism or realism?

I do applaud you for supporting idealism for what it's worth.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 04 octobre 2013 - 10:32 .

[Navasha]

I am actually hoping that the entire point of having an inquisition organization is that you are building an all new organization that doesn't cater and acquiesce with these old corrupt entities.
Allying with corruption is not what I would envision for my "good" playthrough, so that pretty much eliminates all three.

[Wulfram]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Wulfram: Fair enough.

However - do you think that the narrative should reflect idealism or realism?

I do applaud you for supporting idealism for what it's worth.

Um, I'm not sure I'd class my willingness to work with people like Tevinter and the Qunari as "idealistic".

[dragonflight288]

Wulfram wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Wulfram: Fair enough.

However - do you think that the narrative should reflect idealism or realism?

I do applaud you for supporting idealism for what it's worth.

Um, I'm not sure I'd class my willingness to work with people like Tevinter and the Qunari as "idealistic".

Well, Bioware said that you become the head of a respected organization, but the issue rises on "whether we earn or demand that respect." So I'm sure we'll have to play politics a bit in the game.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why would I have to pick one of those to support?

I think that's why Dragon concluded with whether we would support (or work with) any of them with our respective Inquisitors. I certainly wouldn't capitulate to any of them with a Dalish Inquisitor (I'm not too sure how the Dwarven or Kossith protagonists will be tackled yet). I'm certain to oppose all of them, if I'm given the opportunity to do so within the narrative. The People will have my Inquisitor's support, and the mages might if they end up having the same end goals (the enemy of my enemy), or can reach a mutually beneficial alliance.

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why would I have to pick one of those to support?

I think that's why Dragon concluded with whether we would support (or work with) any of them with our respective Inquisitors. I certainly wouldn't capitulate to any of them with a Dalish Inquisitor (I'm not too sure how the Dwarven or Kossith protagonists will be tackled yet). I'm certain to oppose all of them, if I'm given the opportunity to do so within the narrative. The People will have my Inquisitor's support, and the mages might if they end up having the same end goals (the enemy of my enemy), or can reach a mutually beneficial alliance.

Hypothetically, say you had a dwarf from Orzammar, and Harrowmont/Bhelen was confirmed as king with all that implies. Would that affect your choices?

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think that's why Dragon concluded with whether we would support (or work with) any of them with our respective Inquisitors. I certainly wouldn't capitulate to any of them with a Dalish Inquisitor (I'm not too sure how the Dwarven or Kossith protagonists will be tackled yet). I'm certain to oppose all of them, if I'm given the opportunity to do so within the narrative. The People will have my Inquisitor's support, and the mages might if they end up having the same end goals (the enemy of my enemy), or can reach a mutually beneficial alliance.

Hypothetically, say you had a dwarf from Orzammar, and Harrowmont/Bhelen was confirmed as king with all that implies. Would that affect your choices? 

Absolutely. The choices would then focus on empowering Orzammar, and my political alliance with the reigning King Bhelen (maybe because I'm casteless and have been given greater freedoms, for example). I try to make decisions from the spectrum of the character; from their point of view. It's why my Warden helped Bhelen, while my Hawke helped Renvil avoid Bhelen's assassins. I try to avoid playing as the same character twice. I don't necessarily think a Dwarven or Tal-Vashoth protagonist would have the same grudges as the Dalish I'm working on.

I guess I focus on the Dalish background because I have a better grasp on the People, while I'm still uncertain about a lot concerning the Dwarven or Kossith backgrounds to speculate.

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think that's why Dragon concluded with whether we would support (or work with) any of them with our respective Inquisitors. I certainly wouldn't capitulate to any of them with a Dalish Inquisitor (I'm not too sure how the Dwarven or Kossith protagonists will be tackled yet). I'm certain to oppose all of them, if I'm given the opportunity to do so within the narrative. The People will have my Inquisitor's support, and the mages might if they end up having the same end goals (the enemy of my enemy), or can reach a mutually beneficial alliance.

Hypothetically, say you had a dwarf from Orzammar, and Harrowmont/Bhelen was confirmed as king with all that implies. Would that affect your choices? 

Absolutely. The choices would then focus on empowering Orzammar, and my political alliance with the reigning King Bhelen (maybe because I'm casteless and have been given greater freedoms, for example). I try to make decisions from the spectrum of the character; from their point of view. It's why my Warden helped Bhelen, while my Hawke helped Renvil avoid Bhelen's assassins. I try to avoid playing as the same character twice. I don't necessarily think a Dwarven or Tal-Vashoth protagonist would have the same grudges as the Dalish I'm working on.

I guess I focus on the Dalish background because I have a better grasp on the People, while I'm still uncertain about a lot concerning the Dwarven or Kossith backgrounds to speculate.

Makes sense. And say, you had a Dwarven Noble Warden, and Harrowmont is on the throne, and you were playing a Surface Dwarf?

It's fun thinking up these what-ifs.

If I played Dalish, I would likely not support any of the choices made, but if I were a city elf, I would probably support the Qunari above the Chantry because the Qunari treat elves exactly the same as humans.

[Medhia Nox]

@Wulfram: You said that people should put aside petty politicking to answer a world threat. (not your exact words of course - and maybe I misunderstood)

I was calling that idealism.

While I agree with your statement - I do not think it reflects a proper understanding of the world as it is, but rather, as it ought to be.

[Lord Raijin]

dragonflight288 wrote...
As the Inquisitor, it is your role to save the world from itself. Whom has your support? Who will be destroyed if they don't match what your ideals, or would you allow them to live if they support a treaty that calls for peace?

Considering the fact that theirs 4 rings on the fingers of the Inquisitor


I am under the impression that it will be your job as the Inquisitor to calm the situation down;to get the seekers (Unknown organzation, perhabs the Chantry???); The Circle (Mages), and templars to accept peace. You can either demand it or be passive about it. Either way you're essentinally a mediator, a neutral party.

[Medhia Nox]

There are 5 rings.

And... I'm kinda hoping that I can do it without any of them to be honest.

I really feel like I want to dissolve all such factions (or exclude) and create a brave new world out of the ashes of the old.

[Br3admax]

Yeah, no one ever wonders about the firth ring. They're too busy worrying about the red one.

[Medhia Nox]

Well, that one is obviously a Planeteer ring.

[Iakus]

Of the three factions listed here, I'd back the Chantry.

Though with some heavy reformation.

[Br3admax]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Well, that one is obviously a Planeteer ring.

Makes sense to me. We're going to need someone to solve this, and Captain Planet is our best bet. 

[LobselVith8]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Makes sense. And say, you had a Dwarven Noble Warden, and Harrowmont is on the throne, and you were playing a Surface Dwarf?

King Harrowmont seems to value tradition and isolation, so I have to wonder why a Dwarven protagonist would be outside Orzammar to deal with a threat to the surface world. Especially since the protagonist would effectively become casteless. Perhaps the protagonist was one of Bhelen's allies, and needs to find a new purpose now that he's been stripped of his caste, and has to forge a new path in life.

dragonflight288 wrote...

It's fun thinking up these what-ifs.

If I played Dalish, I would likely not support any of the choices made, but if I were a city elf, I would probably support the Qunari above the Chantry because the Qunari treat elves exactly the same as humans.

I can see that, given how many elves in Par Vollen and Seheron follow the Qun (mostly former slaves of the Imperium, but the Arishok was gaining converts in Kirkwall as well).