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[RustyLH]

After they did the extended cut, were you happy with the ending?  Or would you have preferred more of a traditional ending to the story?  One where Shepard and the Allied fleets destroy Harbinger and the Reapers surrounding Earth using the "Super Weapon" Crucible, and then the fleet would move from there to the next worlds to destory them, and Shepard would live to settle down with the romance option of your choice?  The ending where the old man is telling the story to the child could have been Shepard telling his grandchild about the whole thing?  Do you think that would make a better ending for a movie series?

I think I would have preferred that for the destruction ending option.  The crucibel fires off, kills only the reapers, and does not destroy the relays.  It's fiction so nothing would stop that from being an option.  I do wonder if it would be a better received ending in a movie series.  Grandpa Shepard talking to a grandchild at the end would be a good ending. IMHO

[hwd]

I was happy with the ending, it's the end for Shepard and they can't play the Project Lazarus card again with the absence of Cerberus. You can't expect him/her to somehow survive the blast, seeing as the Citadel was the epicentre of the energy lazors.
Yeah I agree that the relays getting damaged was dumb and excludes interstellar space travel for pretty much the entire galaxy for however long it takes to repair the relays (if they can be repaired at all), but maybe that's the cost of victory.

[KaiserShep]

I actually like the idea of using the relays and Citadel against them in conjunction with the Crucible. That said, I would probably have preferred a more traditional victory over Earth alone, which I think would be reasonable enough. If you focus the entirety of the fleets on one planet against just a fraction of the reapers, there's no reason to think that they couldn't spank them in orbit, even if that means taking heavy losses and one final push to get the Crucible docked while the remainder of the enemy resists.Thinking about it, that's kind of what we got, but I do wish I could've seen a Sovereign class reaper actually get killed by ship fire during the final battle, rather than just blowing off limbs and destroying reaper fighters.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 04 octobre 2013 - 10:59 .

[Iakus]

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

[The Night Mammoth]

hwd wrote...

I was happy with the ending, it's the end for Shepard and they can't play the Project Lazarus card again with the absence of Cerberus. You can't expect him/her to somehow survive the blast, seeing as the Citadel was the epicentre of the energy lazors.

I didn't expect Shepard to be ressurected the first time after watching her fall toward Alchera's surface from above 250 miles, but hey, look how that turned out. 

[Iakus]

hwd wrote...

I was happy with the ending, it's the end for Shepard and they can't play the Project Lazarus card again with the absence of Cerberus. You can't expect him/her to somehow survive the blast, seeing as the Citadel was the epicentre of the energy lazors.
Yeah I agree that the relays getting damaged was dumb and excludes interstellar space travel for pretty much the entire galaxy for however long it takes to repair the relays (if they can be repaired at all), but maybe that's the cost of victory.

I didn't like them killing my character off the first time around.  Liked it even less the second.  Some writer's gotta learn some new materiel.

As for the relays, I'd take them as nonfunctional over slaughtering my own troops any day.  Heck the relays were part of the Reaper trap anyway.  Time to learn how to build our own

[KaiserShep]

Permanently rendering the relays inert would doom quite a lot of people.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 04 octobre 2013 - 11:18 .

[Iakus]

KaiserShep wrote...

Well non-functioning relays would kind of strand quite a lot of people, presumably damning them to a slow death.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  "Speculations", right

I'll take "maybe-dead" people who might find a way to survie over "definitely dead" people killed by my own hand.

[RustyLH]

iakus wrote...

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

That's kind of how I felt.  I don't mind the synthesis ending, or the control ending.  but those should have just been options that had certain benefits.  And those benefits should have been present in Shepard's mind.  With the control option, he becomes a God, and knows he can use the reapers to benefit the civilized Galaxy.  With the Synthesis ening, he would know that he could end this kind of thing forever.  All beings would evolve into something better.  he sees this as a way to make the galaxy a better place for his child...which by the way should have been a part of the story.  His love interest should have told him she was pregnant and that he was going to be a father, and this should ahve happened near the end when he is talking to everybody.

But I wanted the option to earn a totally happy ending, as well as complete failure.  As I said in another thread, with complete failure, we should have seen the Reapers head back into dark space with new Human, Asari, Salarian, Turian, etc.. Reapers among them.

[RustyLH]

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

[Eterna]

RustyLH wrote...

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

High EMS Destroy. 

[KaiserShep]

The breath scene is only for destroy.

edit: ninja'd

Modifié par KaiserShep, 04 octobre 2013 - 11:25 .

[Iakus]

RustyLH wrote...

That's kind of how I felt.  I don't mind the synthesis ending, or the control ending.  but those should have just been options that had certain benefits.  And those benefits should have been present in Shepard's mind.  With the control option, he becomes a God, and knows he can use the reapers to benefit the civilized Galaxy.  With the Synthesis ening, he would know that he could end this kind of thing forever.  All beings would evolve into something better.  he sees this as a way to make the galaxy a better place for his child...which by the way should have been a part of the story.  His love interest should have told him she was pregnant and that he was going to be a father, and this should ahve happened near the end when he is talking to everybody.

But I wanted the option to earn a totally happy ending, as well as complete failure.  As I said in another thread, with complete failure, we should have seen the Reapers head back into dark space with new Human, Asari, Salarian, Turian, etc.. Reapers among them.

I can't even see many benefits to Control or Synthesis.  Or rather, I find what is done far more horriying to justify any gains.

In Control you basically surrender the galaxy to the Reapers. Shepard is clearly and unequivocably dead. What's left is a separate being with Shepard's memories, though an independant force.  The implications there are unsettling. To say the least.  Especially once you get the Leviathan's story.

Synthesis, despite the Catalyst saying it cannot be "forced" is celarly forced on everyone inthe galaxy.  I don't care what kind of benefits that brings, it is a violation of the most basic "you will be assimilated" form.

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

RustyLH wrote...

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

High EMS Destroy. 

Specifically, Destroy with an EMS score of at least 3100

[Mr.House]

iakus wrote...

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

Why did ME3 need a traditional happy ending? 

[RustyLH]

Oh, and keep this in mind. Lazarus is not dead as a project. Miranda, if alive knows exactly what would be needed, and keep in mind, it would cost much much less, since they now know how to do it. Realistically, the majority of the cost in the project would have been that they were using guinea pig corpses to test out the new technology and this research would be expensive.

Also, Liara is now the Shadow Broker and there is no data that the Shadow Broker can't get. Any number of scenarios could have been used for this. For instance, Liara pays to have a merc team go to the station that Lazarus was performed on. Remember, they never tell what happened to the station. I took it that it was simply abandoned and is now simply filled with hostile mechs, but it is still intact. So Liara sends a Merc team to grab all of the research notes and everything else they can find of use, including key equipment used in the process.

So Lazarus could still be used to bring him back, but the real question is, would that be good for the story? I would rather see this...use the end where he is still alive though badly beat up. He is in a coma for awhile, and the doctors who have him don't even know who he is. He's just another soldier found on the battlefield, and in need of medical care. This could take some time...but then, he is finally healed and aware, and can leave so he does, and he surprises his love interest by tracking her down, showing up, and finding her with a 2 year old child that is walking and just able to talk.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

RustyLH wrote...

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

High EMS Destroy. 

Specifically, Destroy with an EMS score of at least 3100

More or less, of course, though how people get less, IDK. 

[Mr.House]

RustyLH wrote...

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

Nope, it's really Shepards clone.

[Reorte]

See every response I've made every time this has been asked.

[RustyLH]

Eterna5 wrote...

RustyLH wrote...

I have seen videos of the ending and some people have a shot of a body in N7 armor and it suddenly starts breathing again. The implication is that it is Shepard and he is alive. What ending option is that one from? I never saw it, but I really like it.

High EMS Destroy. 

KaiserShep wrote...

The breath scene is only for destroy.

edit: ninja'd

I thought I did that ending, but maybe I did not, because I don't remember seeing that scene when I played.  I do know that I did refusal first, then did synthesis, then control...I though I did destroy after that.  maybe I just watched it on YouTube.

[Excella Gionne]

It's called Perfect Destroy to some people....

[Iakus]

Mr.House wrote...

iakus wrote...

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

Why did ME3 need a traditional happy ending? 

I probably should have left the "traidional" part out, given that with the death and destriction throughout the game that really wasn't in the cards.

Subsitute "clear-cut" happy end.  You know, more "sweet" and less "bitter"

[jamesthessj4]

Some times i wonder why i went through all of the trouble to collect all of those war assets when they really did not change much. I gathered up practically every thing and still every one get to the same point and has to pick from the same 3 (now 4 choices. Which color ending do you want and here are your extra cut scenes as an added bonus. The fourth choice was just for me very insulting. It is like Bioware is saying that because we don't like their three endings that they graciously bestowed upon us that they are going to give us the middle finger and basically give a game over we all die ending. I was with admiral Hacket on the lines that the only good reaper is a dead reaper. I don't want to kill the Geth or EDI. In every single play through, i save both the geth and Quarians, and i hook EDI up with Joker and yet every time i pick destroy because i am want Shepard to some how live. My Shepard is not going to play god and make every one part machine. My Shepard is not going to kill him self to some how control the reapers and make them good. My Shepard wants to kill all reapers and then go home to his or her love interest. I wanted Bioware to go back to the drawing board and get rid of the star child. The most boring parts of the game was the stupid dream sequences i was forced to play through. I am sure that a very hardened Renegade Shepard is not going to lose sleep over the death of one child. He kills people for so much as looking at him wrong or what not. I hate the cliche plot line that involves the hero sacrificing themselves in order to save the world. This is science fiction. Give us a way to over ride the star child and take control and perhaps if you have enough war assets you can do just that and finally take the destiny of the galaxy into your hands and make some real decisions instead of those 3 decisions that you have no choice but to take. This game ending could of been so much more. It always ruined all three games for me. I like Mass Effect 3 over all but the endings even with the extended cut just are not good enough for me. Hell the ending from Mass Effect 1 and 2 where way better even with Shepard not really talking and just looking at his crew or what not. Bioware did not listen to the fans on this one. If they say they did well >> i would call them on that bull****. I still want a better ending. Though will they really change the endings to make them make more sense and get rid of the star child. I doubt it. It they could not get it right with the extended cut and the very insulting 4th choice then I kinda of doubt any one will truly get the ending they where hoping for.

[Reorte]

Mr.House wrote...

iakus wrote...

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

Why did ME3 need a traditional happy ending? 

Why did it need a pointless arbitrary kick-you-in-the-guts one? You've lost, probably dead, or worse, or you're alive and won (with some losses) are the only two really plausible endings and the first of those is just outright depressing. Anyway, as has been said often enough before it's not exactly rocket science to cover a bit of a spectrum, which has to include the most likely outcomes (putting aside for a second anything other than outright Reaper victory is unlikely).

[Mr.House]

Reorte wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

iakus wrote...

I hated the endings before EC. And I hated them after.

ME3 needed more and more varied endings. From the traditional "happy ending" to utter defeat despite your best efforts. And everything in between. Forcing everyone to experience "you win, but..." was exactly the wrong thing to do in a trilogy that supposedly celebrated choices mattering. It gave everything ending the same vague grayness that makes every experience the same, no matter what colorr you pick

Why did ME3 need a traditional happy ending? 

Why did it need a pointless arbitrary kick-you-in-the-guts one? You've lost, probably dead, or worse, or you're alive and won (with some losses) are the only two really plausible endings and the first of those is just outright depressing. Anyway, as has been said often enough before it's not exactly rocket science to cover a bit of a spectrum, which has to include the most likely outcomes (putting aside for a second anything other than outright Reaper victory is unlikely).

ME3 was about war, billions of death. The ending was always going to be dark. The issue is Bioware did it poorly, not because it was dark. Had the ending been happy it would have done far more damage. The ending being dark is not why it sucked, and I wish peopel would understand that.