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Débuté par RustyLH , oct. 04 2013 10:51

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:07

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Wtf are you talking about? I just explicitly told you I didn't have much of a problem with the ending. I just don't like your approach here. You. Not the ending. Fair enough? :pinched:


Put it this way bud, they essentially repeated the same stuff to you that would explain the ending (Leviathan took care of most of it), yet you continue to take the ending at face value.

Okay I'm done here. No point trying to explain this thing to you. Bioware already tried over the last year, but you still don't get it.


I just bought the game in June. I already got over whatever issues it had (I have more complaints stuff like ME2 squad treatment actually). Don't bundle me with stuff about the "last year". I'm not one of your targets. I have nothing to do with that.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:11

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StreetMagic wrote...

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Wtf are you talking about? I just explicitly told you I didn't have much of a problem with the ending. I just don't like your approach here. You. Not the ending. Fair enough? :pinched:


Put it this way bud, they essentially repeated the same stuff to you that would explain the ending (Leviathan took care of most of it), yet you continue to take the ending at face value.

Okay I'm done here. No point trying to explain this thing to you. Bioware already tried over the last year, but you still don't get it.


I just bought the game in June. I already got over whatever issues it had (I have more complaints stuff like ME2 squad treatment actually). Don't bundle me with stuff about the "last year". I'm not one of your targets. I have nothing to do with that.


If you bought the game in June, then that would be lots of time to figure out the ending. Didn't take me 4 months to figure it out. Maybe a couple days. 

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:12

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Don't rise to it StreeMagic, csm is probably BirdsallSa's second coming.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:13

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dude are yuou happy with an incomplete ending? because thats what IT is, escpecially considering shepards story is finished

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:14

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Don't rise to it StreeMagic, Csm is probably BirdsallSa come again.


Nice try, but no cigar.

dude are yuou happy with an incomplete ending? because thats what IT is, escpecially considering shepards story is finished


You're going by what that Youtube video states, but that's not how it happened.

Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story, not the Reapers. Next game might be a side story that isn't attached to the main plot. What's the main plot? Reapers.

Shepard isn't the only one who can defeat the Reapers. You guys think he's the centre of the universe or something, where if they had someone like some random soldier do the job, then that would be bad. However when it comes to winning a war, it's a team effort, not a one man job. People seem to forget that.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:15

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csm4267 wrote...

Nice try, but no cigar.


Auld Wulf?

No, not enough nonsensical buzzwords.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 octobre 2013 - 03:18 .

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:15

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csm4267 wrote...

Put it this way bud, they essentially repeated the same stuff to you that would explain the ending (Leviathan took care of most of it), yet you continue to take the ending at face value.


For a series that typically tended to be more literal in its storytelling, you can't really blame people for treating the ending the same way. In any case, it doesn't matter, because a lot of the symbolism that I feel oversaturated the original ending to an unpalatable degree, was mercifully dialed back quite a bit, and some that can be outright avoided if you wish (I have no interest in the space Jesus sacrifice). I'm not sure what the point of linking that guy in the Youtube video is, because he's kind of an obnoxioius dipstick who is not worth listening to, especially not for half an hour.

The ending is not particularly complex. People disliking it is not the same as people not being able to understand it. You simply happen to like what you gathered from it (I'm guessing from the original ending per your previous posts), while others do not, or maybe accept the revised ending, but still acknowledge its litany of faults.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:18

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If you bought the game in June, then that would be lots of time to figure out the ending. Didn't take me 4 months to figure it out. Maybe a couple days. 


What part of "I don't have a problem with the endings" do you not understand? Seriously.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:21

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StreetMagic wrote...

csm4267 wrote...


If you bought the game in June, then that would be lots of time to figure out the ending. Didn't take me 4 months to figure it out. Maybe a couple days. 


What part of "I don't have a problem with the endings" do you not understand? Seriously.

No one ever understands when people say this. Sounds like a foreign language to them. 

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:24

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The ending is not particularly complex. People disliking it is not the same as people not being able to understand it. You simply happen to like what you gathered from it (I'm guessing from the original ending per your previous posts), while others do not.


And the people who do not like the ending continue to protest demanding a patch to rewrite or change the ending

You don't understand the ending, while others did. You guys seem to think that with this game, they have to make an ending that everyone can understand. Not going to happen. People have been telling the gaming industry for years with stuff like "don't cater to casuals", "stop making mindless content". Bioware creates an ending like this, and you don't like it.

Bioware can end their story how they like. Don't like it? Don't buy the next game. You might have a different interpretation of how this game works, but you didn't create it, they did.

It's like those Star Wars fans who have a different interpretation of the story than Lucas and they demand that the fans' interpretation be the actual interpretation instead of the guy who wrote the book on Star Wars and created the universe in the first place. If anyone knows this game better than anyone, it's the people who wrote the lore and such on it.

What this boils down to is you can't handle the story being taken out of your hands and the developers essentially took the reigns of their story and wrapped it up how they saw fit.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:24

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Br3ad wrote...

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csm4267 wrote...


If you bought the game in June, then that would be lots of time to figure out the ending. Didn't take me 4 months to figure it out. Maybe a couple days. 


What part of "I don't have a problem with the endings" do you not understand? Seriously.

No one ever understands when people say this. Sounds like a foreign language to them. 


I'm just saying. The premises are good enough for me. Destroy and Control were projected as far back as ME1, with that rogue AI on the Citadel. Synthesis is the middle option. A lot of this was being subtly built up through the series. The main thing that sucks about the ending to me is just the Priority Earth mission. Which is more a level design issue.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:25

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csm4267 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

The ending is not particularly complex. People disliking it is not the same as people not being able to understand it. You simply happen to like what you gathered from it (I'm guessing from the original ending per your previous posts), while others do not.


And the people who do not like the ending continue to protest demanding a patch to rewrite or change the ending

You don't understand the ending, while others did. You guys seem to think that with this game, they have to make an ending that everyone can understand. Not going to happen. People have been telling the gaming industry for years with stuff like "don't cater to casuals", "stop making mindless content". Bioware creates an ending like this, and you don't like it.

Bioware can end their story how they like. Don't like it? Don't buy the next game.

Is this tx's alt? 

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:28

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We're talking artistic expression!

What's the matter, is it 2deep4u?

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:29

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Not enough telling everyone they're 'WRONG' to be tx.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:29

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Not enough telling everyone they're 'WRONG' to be tx.

Yeah, not condescending enough. Almost though. 

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:34

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wolfhowwl wrote...

We're talking artistic expression!

What's the matter, is it 2deep4u?


As opposed to treating this game like a product and demanding that the ending be fixed for nearly 2 years. Yeah that'll work. Bottom line, you can't satisfy everyone and no matter what they do, someone will be unhappy, even if it is 98% of their fanbase.

I honestly haven't seen anything like this ever. If a game and such has a dissapointing ending that doesn't bring much closure, has loose ends and such, people just moved on. They didn't create petitions, donation drives, or go on about this for 2 years until this thing get changed to how they see fit because they were honestly naive to think this was their story to begin with. That's what makes you guys look like Annie Wilkes from that movie Misery. Or have all those gaming journalists write articles claiming you have a sense of entitlement.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:35

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csm4267 wrote...

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The ending is not particularly complex. People disliking it is not the same as people not being able to understand it. You simply happen to like what you gathered from it (I'm guessing from the original ending per your previous posts), while others do not.


And the people who do not like the ending continue to protest demanding a patch to rewrite or change the ending


Is there any particular reason why I should be concerned about what people are protesting or demanding on BSN? That doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

You don't understand the ending, while others did. You guys seem to think that with this game, they have to make an ending that everyone can understand. Not going to happen. People have been telling the gaming industry for years with stuff like "don't cater to casuals", "stop making mindless content". Bioware creates an ending like this, and you don't like it.

 Maybe you simply refuse to believe this, but not everyone is going to consider the conclusion to this story as a stroke of genius or even find it palatable, even if they do in fact comprehend the ending and what it meant.

Bioware can end their story how they like. Don't like it? Don't buy the next game. You might have a different interpretation of how this game works, but you didn't create it, they did.


I've stated before that I accept the ending, and when I bought this game, the Extended Cut was already released, and I installed it before I ever played the game for the first time. I've caught the original on Youtube, and I'm glad that I didn't get the game before BioWare fixed its ending.

It's like those Star Wars fans who have a different interpretation of the story than Lucas and they demand that the fans' interpretation be the actual interpretation instead of the guy who wrote the book on Star Wars and created the universe in the first place. If anyone knows this game better than anyone, it's the people who wrote the lore and such on it.


You know, the irony is that the movie in the Star Wars saga that's largely considered the best of the lot was not even directed by Lucas. If this is to somehow defend the prequel trilogy, then I don't know what to say to that, because no one's going to convince me that a half-gnarled burger they dug out of a dumpster is fine dining.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:38

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Ferretinabun wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The Mass Effect series is a mess, and it's a mess right from the beginning. One can start nitpicking the plot apart right from the start of ME1. It is not that well written. It was basically broken out the gate. Who is the most important character in ME1? Is it Liara? No. Is it Wrex? No. Is it Shepard? No. It's Tali'Zorah. Shepard owes her entire career to Tali'Zorah.


Just playing devil's advocate; how do you figure that?


Without Tali's skills there's no recording of Saren, so Shepard's quest fails right at the beginning of ME1.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:42

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csm4267 wrote...

I honestly haven't seen anything like this ever. 

This is nothing. 

Go learn about what happened when they turned Hal Jordan, the most popular Green Lantern, into a villainous genocidal maniac.

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I'd much prefer the current ending, as oppose to some fan ending pap like you see on Youtube. Everyone lives, galaxy is saved. Mass relays don't get destroyed, and everything more or less goes back to normal. Seriously, fans don't know how to write good stories. They wouldn't know how to end this game if they were given the chance to make their own ending. To have the most important game series of this generation left up to a bunch of amateur fan fiction writers cannot be allowed to happen.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:44

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*reads thread*

*facepalms a bit*

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:44

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csm4267 wrote...

And the people who do not like the ending continue to protest demanding a patch to rewrite or change the ending


I already got my patch, thanks.  What I want is to know this won't be repeated

You don't understand the ending, while others did. You guys seem to think that with this game, they have to make an ending that everyone can understand.


What if...WE ar th ones who understand the ending, and it's you who doesn't

There's something to bake your noodle with :innocent:

What this boils down to is you can't handle the story being taken out of your hands and the developers essentially took the reigns of their story and wrapped it up how they saw fit.


Gee, Biwoare kept going on and on on how these were our Shepards and we're the architects of the story, then they go and railraod everyone down the same tragic ending with dubiously messianissic symbolism, and people objected.  Imagine that.

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Posté 08 octobre 2013 - 03:46

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csm4267 wrote...

Seriously, fans don't know how to write good stories.


With DA2, ME2 and ME3 Bioware has proven they don't know either.

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I already got my patch, thanks. What I want is to know this won't be repeated


As a consumer, you don't get to dictate how people make their stuff. You aren't a producer. You spend the money on the game, you play the game. That's your part. You're not the guy recording the lines, beta testing or actually making the game.

Gee, Biwoare kept going on and on on how these were our Shepards and we're the architects of the story, then they go and railraod everyone down the same tragic ending with dubiously messianissic symbolism, and people objected. Imagine that.


It was never your story, don't be so naive. That was just marketing fluff. Banks say "this is your bank", but that doesn't give you the keys to the safe or the right to own the place. You pick and choose from pre-selected options that Bioware has already laid out for you.

With DA2, ME2 and ME3 Bioware has proven they don't know either.



Yet you keep buying their games for some reason. Five bucks says you'll buy the next Mass Effect game and will be back here complaining about it.

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csm4267 wrote...
 To have the most important game series of this generation left up to a bunch of amateur fan fiction writers cannot be allowed to happen.


I totally agree
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