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[Xilizhra]

You can show love and affection without a godawful, awkward, sex scene.

True, DAO had that issue, but they got past it in DA2. At least for Merrill.

Anyway, I haven't played and very much doubt I will play Witcher because I can't stand the PC or being unable to change said PC, but I wouldn't necessarily object to elements not related to set PCs being used in DA. Then again, I think DA's design philosophy is already good, they just needed more time than DA2 gave them.

[crimzontearz]

Blackrising wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

proper sex scenes (oh come on you knew someone was gonna go there)

No.

yes

No.
(Oh god, I agree with Morocco. What has the world come to.)

yes, especially the sense of familiarity between lovers (Triss and Geralt in both their scenes in TW2)

Tho the ME team already got there kind of

*shrug*
I simply think that sex scenes are not necessary. I'm perfectly content with fade-to-black. I prefer to fill in the blanks myself instead of watching a weirdly animated and uncomfortable sex scene. Plus, I'm not sure the animators couldn't be doing something more interesting than spend their time animating sex.

But to each their own.

It is not the sex scene per se but what surrounds it

Take for instance the initial scene at the camp between Triss and Geralt or the scene with Ves

[Flatrid]

Blackrising wrote...

None, as far as I'm concerned.
The Witcher just doesn't click with me. At all. I recently gave The Witcher 2 another try and it.simply.doesn't.work. I can't play it.

So I'd prefer it if DA stuck to their own style and, if they do take some inspiration from The Witcher or other RPGs, modify it and make it their own.

This.

[Bionuts]

Well, the Witcher takes it a bit far when you can have sex a few minutes away from the area your friend/girlfriend is being interrogated. With the person who tortured her, no less.

[crimzontearz]

Bionuts wrote...

Well, the Witcher takes it a bit far when you can have sex a few minutes away from the area your friend/girlfriend is being interrogated. With the person who tortured her, no less.

and THAT is why I always picked Roache's path

[Blackrising]

crimzontearz wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

proper sex scenes (oh come on you knew someone was gonna go there)

No.

yes

No.
(Oh god, I agree with Morocco. What has the world come to.)

yes, especially the sense of familiarity between lovers (Triss and Geralt in both their scenes in TW2)

Tho the ME team already got there kind of

*shrug*
I simply think that sex scenes are not necessary. I'm perfectly content with fade-to-black. I prefer to fill in the blanks myself instead of watching a weirdly animated and uncomfortable sex scene. Plus, I'm not sure the animators couldn't be doing something more interesting than spend their time animating sex.

But to each their own.

It is not the sex scene per se but what surrounds it

Take for instance the initial scene at the camp between Triss and Geralt or the scene with Ves

If you mean showing affection, you can do that without a sex scene. I thought they did rather well in DA2 with Merrill. Apart from the fact that it was kind of awkwardly animated, it showed warmth and affection.

As for the camp scene between Gerald and Triss....well. I didn't feel any kind of affection beyond 'Hey girl, you were a great lay let's go again!'. But as I said, I can't stand Gerald. Or Triss. Or any other character I have encountered in my short foray into The Witcher 2 world. So my opinion may be a bit biased.
I can't comment on Ves, never got that far.

[KiwiQuiche]

Morocco Mole wrote...

The Witcher series has its share of issues. But at least it isn't DA2.

Can't really argue with that, I suppose.

Bionuts wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You can show love and affection without a godawful, awkward, sex scene.

Keep in mind, you're speaking to an audience that wants to romance anything they like.

You are mistaking sex for romance.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 05 octobre 2013 - 11:59 .

[Xilizhra]

I'd say this is a strength. Geralt is a defined character with years of already established lore and stories to draw from. Compared to the rather dull Voiced PCs Bioware has made recently.

One whom I don't want to play at all.

[KiwiQuiche]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Its because he's white isn't it my friend?

[Angrywolves]

uh none.
I don't believe Bioware likes being compared to cdprojekt.
I suspect they're offended by it.
The Bioware teams personal beliefs about how sex should be presented in rpgs is obviously way more conservative than those held by the cdprojekt team.
I suspect it's mostly cultural .
Europeans aren't as easily offended /put off by explicit sex like Americans and it seems Canadians are.
So I would expect Bioware to keep a distance from cdprojekt.

[Blackrising]

Angrywolves wrote...

uh none.
I don't believe Bioware likes being compared to cdprojekt.
I suspect they're offended by it.
The Bioware teams personal beliefs about how sex should be presented in rpgs is obviously way more conservative than those held by the cdprojekt team.
I suspect it's mostly cultural .
Europeans aren't as easily offended /put off by explicit sex like Americans and it seems Canadians are.
So I would expect Bioware to keep a distance from cdprojekt.

I doubt Bioware's stance on showing sex in their video games has anything to do with being conservative.

[Angrywolves]

wrong .
Has a lot to do with it.
But believe whatever you like.
shrugs.

[crimzontearz]

It is not "just the affection" (that is showed later with the rose of remembrance) it is the familiarity between the two which is lacking in BW games.

Also, you fail to see he was trying to drown his nightmares through intimacy with Triss....something Triss likely knows and is more than ok with emotionally

[fchopin]

TW3 and DAI seem to be going for the same things so far.
They both have a big world to explore and both have mounts and other similar things.

The obvious thing DAI needs to learn from the witcher games is to make the world more real and interactive.
I remember the first time we went to kirkwall and i tried to click on some of the people on the dock and i could not do that, i remember getting upset that that was similar in all the game.
DAI world needs to be more alive and if there are people we should be able to interact with them even if the people just tell us to go to hell or whatever.
That is what Bioware needs to learn, make the world more alive and interactive.

CDPR needs to learn from Bioware to make Geralt more responsive in the movements he makes.

Modifié par fchopin, 05 octobre 2013 - 12:18 .

[Blackrising]

Angrywolves wrote...

wrong .
Has a lot to do with it.
But believe whatever you like.
shrugs.

And why are you so convinced of that?
I'm not conservative, and I still don't want explicit sex scenes in my video games. Or even my TV shows. Game of Thrones, Spartacus, Rome...etc. makes me highly uncomfortable.
Oh, and I'm European. A very open-minded one at that.

I just have a problem with someone making definite statements about a whole group of people they've never met based on...well, nothing but assumptions.

[Angrywolves]

Because Gaider has said so.
shrugs .
Gaider threatened the ban hammer yesterday .
I'm not going with you over this.
Not worth it.
So believe whatevah.
I certainly don't care.
Insisting on your view doesn't make it so.
sheesh.
Have a nice day.

[Ravensword]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

The Witcher series has its share of issues. But at least it isn't DA2.

Can't really argue with that, I suppose.

Bionuts wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You can show love and affection without a godawful, awkward, sex scene.

Keep in mind, you're speaking to an audience that wants to romance anything they like.

You are mistaking sex for romance.

Does it really matter whether people want to romance or **** every companion under the sun?

[Blackrising]

crimzontearz wrote...

It is not "just the affection" (that is showed later with the rose of remembrance) it is the familiarity between the two which is lacking in BW games.

Also, you fail to see he was trying to drown his nightmares through intimacy with Triss....something Triss likely knows and is more than ok with emotionally

Very well, I see your point. As I said, The Witcher didn't click with me, so I never wasted much thought on the characters.

However, I still think familiarity and affection and all that can be shown without an explicit sex scene. Personally, I'd be fine with romances that don't include sex at all. Not necessarily chaste relationships, mind you, just...I don't have to be shown to know they're bumping uglies.
Though I would still like to see kissing and cuddling, yes please.

[jaza]

Angrywolves wrote...

Because Gaider has said so.
shrugs .
Gaider threatened the ban hammer yesterday .
I'm not going with you over this.
Not worth it.
So believe whatevah.
I certainly don't care.
Insisting on your view doesn't make it so.
sheesh.
Have a nice day.

Is your keyboard broken?

[Blackrising]

Angrywolves wrote...

Because Gaider has said so.
shrugs .
Gaider threatened the ban hammer yesterday .
I'm not going with you over this.
Not worth it.
So believe whatevah.
I certainly don't care.
Insisting on your view doesn't make it so.
sheesh.
Have a nice day.

I wasn't insisting on my view. Simply trying to understand yours.
But very well, let us lay this discussion to rest.

[crimzontearz]

Blackrising wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

It is not "just the affection" (that is showed later with the rose of remembrance) it is the familiarity between the two which is lacking in BW games.

Also, you fail to see he was trying to drown his nightmares through intimacy with Triss....something Triss likely knows and is more than ok with emotionally

Very well, I see your point. As I said, The Witcher didn't click with me, so I never wasted much thought on the characters.

However, I still think familiarity and affection and all that can be shown without an explicit sex scene. Personally, I'd be fine with romances that don't include sex at all. Not necessarily chaste relationships, mind you, just...I don't have to be shown to know they're bumping uglies.
Though I would still like to see kissing and cuddling, yes please.

I am fine with explicit scenes, I like the passion, point is, as I said, it is not just that. And Bioware truly needs to lay off the friendzoning in some of its romances.

[Blackrising]

Ravensword wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

The Witcher series has its share of issues. But at least it isn't DA2.

Can't really argue with that, I suppose.

Bionuts wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You can show love and affection without a godawful, awkward, sex scene.

Keep in mind, you're speaking to an audience that wants to romance anything they like.

You are mistaking sex for romance.

Does it really matter whether people want to romance or **** every companion under the sun?

Eh, it kinda does.
Affection is not a bad thing and wanting your main character to experience that with a companion you feel would fit isn't a bad thing either.

But explicitely stating 'Hey, I wanna screw that one!' would seem a bit disturbing even to me.