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What inspiration could DA:I have from The Witcher?


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David would hate Witcher.

No heroism and no "kill teh bad guys" moments. And you're not in a higher position than others, so you can't just up an jump at a King like an idiot.

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But explicitely stating 'Hey, I wanna screw that one!' would seem a bit disturbing even to me.

The worst part is, in my experience, most youth(and I'm stretching the definition of "youth" very far here), at least males, actually behaves like that, or at least talk like that amongst themselves.

And you can still can't judge games you never even played or bothered to play

Why do you still respond to him though?

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Bionuts wrote...

David would hate Witcher.

No heroism and no "kill teh bad guys" moments. And you're not in a higher position than others, so you can't just up an jump at a King like an idiot.

Er, isn't this objectively wrong? There are plenty of "kill the bad guy" moments, and you can in fact help murder a king.

Not that I have a problem with any of that, it's all executed quite well, but it seems silly to claim otherwise.

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codenamesource wrote...

sex cards

LOL that made me laugh... they were so flipping ridiculous.
 
To the point, I like the Witcher, but don't want DA to mimic it in any way. The only feature I can think of is the divergent paths based on choice, Act 2, allowing you to go in two distinct paths would be cool. And would certainly enhance replay value.

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Thomas Andresen wrote...

But explicitely stating 'Hey, I wanna screw that one!' would seem a bit disturbing even to me.

The worst part is, in my experience, most youth(and I'm stretching the definition of "youth" very far here), at least males, actually behaves like that, or at least talk like that amongst themselves.


You say that as if it's a bad thing.

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I have confidence in DA:I because it's clear that the developers understand that there were very serious faults with the previous games, and they're clearly taking the time to do their best to fix those faults. At the same time, the Dragon Age series obviously has content that is very meaningful and emotional compelling to fans.

Meanwhile, the Witcher series faces no such pressure. There's been no backlash, so whatever the series lacks is very unlikely to be fixed.

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Well, all the things I mentioned in my thread on the topic, mostly.

Modifié par EntropicAngel, 05 octobre 2013 - 04:37 .


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AresKeith wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Overwhelmingly, the Witcher has been
quietly passed by. By both fans and the professional community. We
haven't seen anything remotely close to the attachment to the Witcher as
we have for BioWare games. Why is this? Why are people not shouting
from the rooftops how wonderful the Witcher is? Why is this not the
darling of the internet and gaming press?


What do you mean it's been "passed by"? The Witcher II sold millions of copies and got high reviews (higher than either Dragon Age game, IIRC, since we're doing the comparison).


His first problem is think BSN is the only place that talks about the Witcher

That still makes no sense, because it hasn't been even remotely close to "passed by" on the BSN either.

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There is plenty of complains about TW2, the good thing is CDPR fix it very fast.

Ending is disappointing? add extra scene in the ending.

Act III is too short? add more quest in ACTIII.

Don't like pre-ordered DLC? give it all to fans.

No tutorial? add one.

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David7204 wrote...

I have confidence in DA:I because it's clear that the developers understand that there were very serious faults with the previous games, and they're clearly taking the time to do their best to fix those faults. At the same time, the Dragon Age series obviously has content that is very meaningful and emotional compelling to fans.

Meanwhile, the Witcher series faces no such pressure. There's been no backlash, so whatever the series lacks is very unlikely to be fixed.


And it's a good thing Bioware is trying to improve on pass issues. But just because the Witcher games don't get backlash doesn't mean their fanbase don't give feedback on what the game needs improvement on

And like the topic, there's nothing wrong with Bioware or game.devs in general looking at other games to see what they can improve on. It's a good thing for them to do that

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d-boy15 wrote...

There is plenty of complains about TW2, the good thing is CDPR fix it very fast.

Ending is disappointing? add extra scene in the ending.

Act III is too short? add more quest in ACTIII.

Don't like pre-ordered DLC? give it all to fans.

No tutorial? add one.


Make it all free? Okay then. 

Lol, I was sprised that they just dished out the extended version across the board for free, less than a year after the PC release.

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 octobre 2013 - 04:42 .


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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Er, isn't this objectively wrong? There are plenty of "kill the bad guy" moments, and you can in fact help murder a king.

Not that I have a problem with any of that, it's all executed quite well, but it seems silly to claim otherwise.


You got Loredo, but that's it.

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Bionuts wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Er, isn't this objectively wrong? There are plenty of "kill the bad guy" moments, and you can in fact help murder a king.

Not that I have a problem with any of that, it's all executed quite well, but it seems silly to claim otherwise.


You got Loredo, but that's it.

What about Dethmold? Or Letho?

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David7204 wrote...

Why don't we assume for a minute that I'm right and the Witcher hasn't made anything close to the impact BioWare games have? (Because it's the truth, of course.)

Why is that? If the Witcher has all these features, why is it not #1 at the top of every list and poll out there? Why is it that Mass Effect ranks high in the 'greatest series of the decade' poll and the Witcher isn't even on the list?

I've seen the Witcher on plenty of lists like that.

Cherry picking your examples is also a fallacy

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Really? I'd be delighted to see a few.

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The Witcher is very popular. It certainly hasn't been passed by, it's widely recognised by the gaming community and it's been covered a lot by the mainstream gaming press, receiving a great deal of critical acclaim. The Witcher 3 has been previewed just as much as any other upcoming AAA game. The very fact that there will be three of them should be telling, but hey. 

Why isn't it as popular as Mass Effect? Apart from the fact that it's an R rated fantasy game advertised to older gamers and not a widely marketable sci-fi military shooter, it's made by a relatively small developer in Poland, without BioWare or EA's widely recognisable and multinational brand and presence, and without their vast sums of money. Also, there have only been two games in the series, the first of which is still a PC exclusive and the second of which was only released on Xbox about a year ago. It's not exactly set up for success. 

But no, it's obviously because both games in the series are deeply flawed in some way, apparently obvious even to those who've never played either of them.

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David7204 wrote...

I talk about the Witcher, and suddenly it becomes a raving topic of interest for everyone on the internet. It becomes the biggest release of the past few years!

Please.


It's not a perfect game. It has flaws.

But it's one of the rare games that doesn't insult your intelligence. It's also a game with choices and consequences (important ones), but without reducing it to a power fantasy.

There are many characters, all with their own agenda, secrets, and plans. But they're not stupid, and not all are equal. And they're not there to stroke your ego.

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I see David, as per usual, can't stop talking about Mass Effect, despite the fact that it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I have confidence in DA:I because it's clear that the developers understand that there were very serious faults with the previous games, and they're clearly taking the time to do their best to fix those faults. At the same time, the Dragon Age series obviously has content that is very meaningful and emotional compelling to fans.

Meanwhile, the Witcher series faces no such pressure. There's been no backlash, so whatever the series lacks is very unlikely to be fixed.


And it's a good thing Bioware is trying to improve on pass issues. But just because the Witcher games don't get backlash doesn't mean their fanbase don't give feedback on what the game needs improvement on

And like the topic, there's nothing wrong with Bioware or game.devs in general looking at other games to see what they can improve on. It's a good thing for them to do that



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David7204 wrote...

Really? I'd be delighted to see a few.

If I just started posting all the lists that had the Witcher on it you'd just post ones that didn't.

It gets nowhere.

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Bionuts wrote...

You got Loredo, but that's it.


Or the guy that, you know, raped Roche's girl.

You don't kill him yourself, but it happens. It's your choice to let it happen.

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Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Why don't we assume for a minute that I'm right and the Witcher hasn't made anything close to the impact BioWare games have? (Because it's the truth, of course.)

Why is that? If the Witcher has all these features, why is it not #1 at the top of every list and poll out there? Why is it that Mass Effect ranks high in the 'greatest series of the decade' poll and the Witcher isn't even on the list?

I've seen the Witcher on plenty of lists like that.

Cherry picking your examples is also a fallacy

Well maybe both of you should provide examples of these polls to prove who is right and wrong.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

You got Loredo, but that's it.


Or the guy that, you know, raped Roche's girl.

You don't kill him yourself, but it happens. It's your choice to let it happen.

no you can also kill him yourself if you want

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crimzontearz wrote...

no you can also kill him yourself if you want


You can kill dethmold yourself? I didn't know that. I thought it was Roche's choice alone.

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Hopefully none because the Witcher sucks