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What inspiration could DA:I have from The Witcher?


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#126
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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Hopefully none because the Witcher sucks

I agree.

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I will leave this here

Note also that DAI was also present at E3 so the press that picked TW3 as best RPG picked it SPECIFICALLY over DAI

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EntropicAngel wrote...



Or the guy that, you know, raped Roche's (not his girl, but can be Geralt's) girl.

You don't kill him yourself, but it happens. It's your choice to let it happen.


He's not made into an "lulz villain".

He's not any worse than Roche who tortures for fun, and kills the people he tortures for the lolz. Or Iorveth who kills people out picking berries in the forest.

In the context of the Witcher universe he's not any worse than the people Geralt already associates himself with, and he's never made into an lulz villain.

Before you do kill him, you're given many reasons to think your decision through. There is not heroic feeling killing him, because doing so plunges Kaedwan into civil war.

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I'd say the Witcher has been "passed by", at least in my experience. Pratically the only place I have ever seen it discussed or mentioned online is on the BSN, and I have never heard anybody in real life mention it, despite being around people who talk about games frequently. I have no idea why, but I certainly wouldn't call it popular or well-known about, not compared to Bioware games at least.

I don't know what sort of features it has that would be good for inquisition because I have never played nor plan to ever play the Witcher games. Set protagonists in RPG's are acceptable if I think they look interesting, but I have no interest or intention of playing as the Witchers protagonist.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no you can also kill him yourself if you want


You can kill dethmold yourself? I didn't know that. I thought it was Roche's choice alone.

dethmold does not rape ves, the king does and yes you can kill him yourself

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EntropicAngel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no you can also kill him yourself if you want


You can kill dethmold yourself? I didn't know that. I thought it was Roche's choice alone.

Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.

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crimzontearz wrote...

I will leave this here

Note also that DAI was also present at E3 so the press that picked TW3 as best RPG picked it SPECIFICALLY over DAI



Not a fair comparison...

Bioware was brought only trailer to E3 while CDPR brought the whole 40 minutes gameplay (in-door)
along with trailer.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no you can also kill him yourself if you want


You can kill dethmold yourself? I didn't know that. I thought it was Roche's choice alone.

Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.


Yeah, Ves doesn't suit Dethmold's.... taste.

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Yo David. Here's a short video that sums up what the Witcher is all about.



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crimzontearz wrote...

I will leave this here

Note also that DAI was also present at E3 so the press that picked TW3 as best RPG picked it SPECIFICALLY over DAI


Considering all we saw of Inquisition at E3 was a few minute-long trailer and nobody really knew anything about the game at that point I really don't see how this is of any consequence.

It seems really stupid to compare computer games based on trailers and small bits of information without having actually played either of them.

Modifié par EJ107, 05 octobre 2013 - 05:02 .


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and the only evidence you need that the Witcher is having an impact is the OP of this thread.

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Blackrising wrote...

None, as far as I'm concerned.
The Witcher just doesn't click with me. At all. I recently gave The Witcher 2 another try and it.simply.doesn't.work. I can't play it.
I hate Gerald, I hate the dialouges, I hate the world, I hate the atmosphere, I hate the combat, I hate the graphics.
I can't even tell you exactly why I don't like it, it just doesn't do it for me.

So I'd prefer it if DA stuck to their own style and, if they do take some inspiration from The Witcher or other RPGs, modify it and make it their own.

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I'm pretty close to this viewpoint - though I have made it into the last Act  and will finish it just so I can say I did a playthrough.  Been working at it for a year now.

Witcher 2 is more like the real world - More mundane and crass as hell.
Heck even the Spartacus Tv series is way more elegant in it's presentation.
Inserting elves with all these fat ugly stupid guys around - no thanks.
Not my idea of a fantasy game.

As for the sex scenes - It's basically sex without any emotional connection. 
I'll quote a line from a guy long ago to sum them up.
"It's like grating your **** on a cheesegrater --- it's slightly amusing, but mostly painful."

So, in short, I wouldn't want to take anything from witcher to add to DAI.

Modifié par zMataxa, 05 octobre 2013 - 05:06 .


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Bionuts wrote...

He's not made into an "lulz villain".

He's not any worse than Roche who tortures for fun, and kills the people he tortures for the lolz. Or Iorveth who kills people out picking berries in the forest.

In the context of the Witcher universe he's not any worse than the people Geralt already associates himself with, and he's never made into an lulz villain.

Before you do kill him, you're given many reasons to think your decision through. There is not heroic feeling killing him, because doing so plunges Kaedwan into civil war.


As far as I know the game never portrays Roche or Geralt as a rapist. They portray Roche as a patriot, with the flaws of a patriot, but none of those involve harming innocents (for Roche himself at least--I've heard about the Blue Stripes), and especially not in a sexual way.

I would definitely, definitely say that the game portrays him worse.

Something worth looking at:



That's unequivically black-and-white. Nothing grey about that. I thought it was interesting.

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crimzontearz wrote...

dethmold does not rape ves, the king does and yes you can kill him yourself


You're right. I can't remember his name.

Alright, interesting. Thanks.

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Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.


Henselt. Yeah I couldn't remember his name.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.


Henselt. Yeah I couldn't remember his name.


He had her squeaking like an unoiled hinge.

Modifié par Seboist, 05 octobre 2013 - 05:08 .


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EntropicAngel wrote...
They portray Roche as a patriot, with the flaws of a patriot, but none of those involve harming innocents (for Roche himself at least--I've heard about the Blue Stripes), and especially not in a sexual way.


Um no. Geralt even beats up Roche for trying to make an innocent man lick alcohol from the floor.

And it stated a few times throughout the game that Roche is a sadist. Geralt even calls him one.

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He had her squeaking like an unoiled hinge.


That's the line.


Yes, quite a grey character there, indeed.:?

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Roche is a bastard, a lot more unpleasant than people give him credit for. I'm not sure there's a Bioware companion who's that mean outside of Jack.

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David7204 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.


Henselt. Yeah I couldn't remember his name.


He had her squeaking like an unoiled hinge.

Wow. I bet you're a real ladies man with lines like that.


He's quoting a character from the game.

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Um no. Geralt even beats up Roche for trying to make an innocent man lick alcohol from the floor.

And it stated a few times throughout the game that Roche is a sadist. Geralt even calls him one.


Lick alcohol from the floor? How exactly is that anything but "a d*ck?" That's not sadistic at all.

I don't recall seeing much sadism by Roche in the game. I may be forgetting something, but I don't recall any particular scene where you see him deriving pleasure from hurting people.


I think the E3 video says it rather plainly. Geralt:

"Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling...makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary, the definitions blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."

That's pretty black and white. As black and white as a Paragon Shepard, actually (sounds a lot like "I won't sacrifice the soul of our species").

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I also want all male elves to look like Iorveth.

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David7204 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Henselt was the one who f**ked Ves, not Dethmold.


Henselt. Yeah I couldn't remember his name.


He had her squeaking like an unoiled hinge.

Wow. I bet you're a real ladies man with lines like that.


Lol, that's Henselt's line. In the game.

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Roche is a bastard, a lot more unpleasant than people give him credit for. I'm not sure there's a Bioware companion who's that mean outside of Jack.


And Bioware doesn't really focus on Jack's cruelty. They focus on the inner turmoil, but not on what she actual does/did to people. It only gets a single mention or two.

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EntropicAngel wrote...
Something worth looking at:



That's unequivically black-and-white. Nothing grey about that. I thought it was interesting.

It would be if the soldiers were simply killing and/or raping the defenseless peasant girl for their enjoyment; and it still would be 100% realistic; but we are never actually told that she is not guilty of her crimes which are, in turn, simply what is to be expected from a desperate and starving population in the middle of a war and were, therefore, caused by the very Nilfgaardian soldiers that will now hang her. But, if she did commit the crimes, doesn't she deserve a punishment?

Of course, the trailer doesn't post this question for us to ponder; it uses Geralt to tells us the soldiers are monsters but, in context, the situation is still very grey.