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[AmazingOlivia]

 So guys and gals and other friends, 

Based on technology, architecture, living conditions, government systems, etc...
What real world year do you think Thedas is currently analagous to? How long do to think it'll be before their renaissance and enlightenment periods?

[Snook]

I think it varies by country. Ferelden seems pretty medieval, Tevinter looks very Roman, from what we've seen of Orlais it looks very Renaissance Italy appearance wise, anyway...



Orlesian masks even look Renaissance Italy.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 05 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[Ferretinabun]

Ummm...

I think somewhere around the sixteenth century is about right. We have a spyglass in Awakenings (personal gift for Nathaniel) which weren't invented until the very early seventeenth century. But on the other hand gunpowder artillery was found in armies from as early as the fourteenth century and I don't think they've been established in Thedas (they were using ballistas, not cannons, at the battle of Denerim, for example), so there is a bit of give and take.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 05 octobre 2013 - 06:28 .

[DatOneFanboy]

>Comparing Fantasy to Reality.

its obvious bioware uses examples from other cultures and time'and just combine it altogether. but its still mostly fantasy and imagination

[AmazingOlivia]

The reason for lack of Gunpowder can be attributed to the existence of magic, why bother with something else when mages can blow things up right? However, the Qunari do have gunpowder...

[Ferretinabun]

True. But we're certainly not entering the Enlightenment just yet, unless Orlais turns out to be a century or two ahead of Ferelden...

[AmazingOlivia]

Orlais could be close, and we really don't know how much tech and advancement Tevinter has, since we've only been there briefly in the comics.

[drake heath]

It's an anachronistic blob of many different cultures.

Can't really compare it to real world Middle Ages Europe.

But if I were to try, Ferelden is kinda like Anglo-Saxon England, fairly backwater, dirty, and on the ass end of the world.

While Orlais is more like post-Mideveal France, during the absolute monarchy.

The others I have no idea, we haven't been there.

Modifié par drake heath, 05 octobre 2013 - 11:10 .

[Angrywolves]

Don't think we should do any of those kind of comparisons .
Always leads to acrimony.

[Kelgair]

I'm not sure how one could think the Earth Renaissance and Enlightenment could possibly map onto Thedas when Magic is the greatest reason the continent has been stuck technologically for the past few thousand years. You'd need to factor in the laws of Magic in Thedas, and what we'd have to consider the supernatural into any advancement.

Gryphons, for example, established that humans could fly centuries ago. But will humans only consider large mounts that you could tame to allow you to fly or will a mind think of a way for people to fly without a beast? Doesn't seem likely in Thedas in 9:40+ (2034 TE).

In my opinion, magic has affected Thedas so that we're inhabiting a world that is both ancient, and late medieval. Magic pushing various aspects of life up to late medieval. While a good amount of people live in-between an ancient and medieval life depending on where they live.

The difference between ancient and medieval life isn't all that much honestly.

Modifié par Kelgair, 05 octobre 2013 - 11:47 .

[metatheurgist]

DarkPikmin wrote...
The reason for lack of Gunpowder can be attributed to the existence of magic, why bother with something else when mages can blow things up right?

Because no one wants to work with abominations? And so they can blow mages up?

[Medhia Nox]

It's like those movies that are inspired by real life events.

They really defy comparison to the multiple things that inspired them.

But, if you want, call it Western European Neo-Medieval Fantasy Chic.

[AshPnX]

(I know I'm amazingly late to this thread, but I just stumpled on it!)

 

Two games away.  I think we're in High Middle Ages. With the Inquisition happening, I think everything is coming to a head for a Rennaisance explosion, and I think the mages will cause that to happen.  They represent science in a way, opposed by the medieval church (chantry).

 

All the pieces are coming together, sure Ferelden looked backwards, but so was Anglo-Saxon England at the time.  They still don't have their Celts (the barbarians in the Kocari Wilds) under control. ((They're so Celts, even the Tevinters of old, aka "ancient Rome" didn't want to deal with them!))

 

Orlais is a bit of a combination of Vatican City and France.  So if we look at it as a French Vatican City/Rome, then it's very soon to reach the Rennaisance.  The Chantry is working hard to get rid of mage influence, much like the Popes were attempting to do until they couldn't contain it anymore.

 

Nevarra seemed like a former player who isn't much of a player anymore, which is like the Holy Roman Empire on the decline right before the Renaissance.  Makes sense as HRE was to German city-states as Nevarra is to Free March city-states, who are becoming more powerful and already had the clash of theology in Kirkwall (a preemptive Martin Luther head nod?)

 

The Tevinter Imperium seems to continue to weaken, with what I see is greed fractioning different mages away from a common cause, based on a vibe I was getting when Fenris spoke of it.  This is a bit like the Byzantine Empire but on the Greek side.  Old Roman Empire stayed in Greece the longest, with Constantinople as the stronghold yet also the disputed territory.  The Qunari ("Ottoman Empire" as I believe the Qun reflects Islam and Par Vollen reflects the Arabian Peninsula) currently hold Seheron (Anatolia Peninsula).  Seheron also reminds me of the struggle over Constantinople between Ottomans & Byzantines/Greeks.  I feel very soon in the game it's going to become "Istanbul", ie Ottoman (Qunari) run completely, which happened in the Renaissance.  Also, it should be noted that the Qunari *do* have gunpowder whereas rest of Thedas (Europe) does not, and the Ottoman were a 'gunpowder empire' who amazed Europe with the gunpowder (whom they originally got it from China with trade).  That's a big flag that all the happenings of our Renassaince are about to go down... makes me excited.

 

I also believe Antiva has a bigger role to play soon.  We know they have merchant princes that seem 'united' but not completely united as they have their assassins, much like the Italian city-states.  Especially Venice.  I think Antiva may make a play for Estwatch (Sicily, with all the pirates) in the next few installments.  Or they should, that would be interesting.

 

I wonder too where Rivain will play into all this.  They're like Moorish Spain, yet with the heavy pirate/ sailing influences in southern Rivain, that too me feels more like Portugal.  The Portugese were not under Moorish control and that's how they began sailing/exploring first, which is a Renaissance time-period too.  The Rivani are already doing coastal sailing as the Portugese were doing in the High Middle Ages, so I think it would be interesting to see them discover a new continent?

 

I say all this to say, I think we're very close to the Renaissance explosion as there are so many pieces in play that I see paralleled with our own history

 

Wish Inquisition would come out already so we can see!