Lord Raijin wrote...
If you're unable to produce quality.... don't release it at all.
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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
Skyrim was a complete failure. If it wasn't for the hard working mod writers(Bethesda's slaves) in the mod community the game would be unplayable.
Don't you think you're exaggerating. If you ask me if it wasn't for modding ME3 would be dead as well. Maybe the game was unplayable for PS3 but it was not for xbox 360 nor was it for PC.
I love how everyone bashes Bethesda about this but no one actually knows how difficult it is to code. Lets take a look at a game as huge as Skyrim and see what is behind, first and foremost it is not designed in one of the tradtional programming languages, not C++, Java or any of that, no they had to make their own offshoot, probably derived from a combination of languages most likely, and while it is probably not all that different from the languages they used to make it, I don't think it is really an easy task to make your own. Let's see what, else, yes they used a new engine, another thing that I doubt is really easy to do, and while I may not agree with them designing with Gamebryo in mind it is still no easy task.
Now think of the size and scope of a game as huge as Skyrim, how many variables, operations, objects and modules do you think it uses? For example the Civil War, the Civil War is virually everywhere in the game, its variables are affected in every city there is in Skyrim, every jarl, every single guard and in the main quest as well, more than once in fact. It was so big, that they had to cut out part of it as well. I'm sure there are many more things that are as big as that. Even with all its people Bethesda, do you really think it is easy to keep track of all that? That's just the Civil War. Do you think it is easy to keep things separate? So in the case that something goes wrong with the Civil War, it doesn't break the entire game, especially with something like that which pretty much is connected to everything in the game, one way or another. Even one of the modders that has restored that content has had no end in the trouble it has caused with bugs and even now, there are bugs appearing, even after it has been out for months.
You're not taking time and money into consideration either, this stuff isn't easy and those two things can hamper projects, especially when the people in charge have no idea what is going on. Stop being a fanboy and think for a second, before you spout such idiocy. Even if mods didn't exist, Skyrim would've been succesful, it was even before GECK was released. Skyrim doesn't just exist for PC, there are consoles that use it. Do you think Microsoft would be shelving out money to get DLC first on the 360 if they thought this was a failure?
Warden Commander and Templar armor.Lord Raijin wrote...
Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Don't you think you're exaggerating. If you ask me if it wasn't for modding ME3 would be dead as well. Maybe the game was unplayable for PS3 but it was not for xbox 360 nor was it for PC.
I love how everyone bashes Bethesda about this but no one actually knows how difficult it is to code. Lets take a look at a game as huge as Skyrim and see what is behind, first and foremost it is not designed in one of the tradtional programming languages, not C++, Java or any of that, no they had to make their own offshoot, probably derived from a combination of languages most likely, and while it is probably not all that different from the languages they used to make it, I don't think it is really an easy task to make your own. Let's see what, else, yes they used a new engine, another thing that I doubt is really easy to do, and while I may not agree with them designing with Gamebryo in mind it is still no easy task.
Now think of the size and scope of a game as huge as Skyrim, how many variables, operations, objects and modules do you think it uses? For example the Civil War, the Civil War is virually everywhere in the game, its variables are affected in every city there is in Skyrim, every jarl, every single guard and in the main quest as well, more than once in fact. It was so big, that they had to cut out part of it as well. I'm sure there are many more things that are as big as that. Even with all its people Bethesda, do you really think it is easy to keep track of all that? That's just the Civil War. Do you think it is easy to keep things separate? So in the case that something goes wrong with the Civil War, it doesn't break the entire game, especially with something like that which pretty much is connected to everything in the game, one way or another. Even one of the modders that has restored that content has had no end in the trouble it has caused with bugs and even now, there are bugs appearing, even after it has been out for months.
You're not taking time and money into consideration either, this stuff isn't easy and those two things can hamper projects, especially when the people in charge have no idea what is going on. Stop being a fanboy and think for a second, before you spout such idiocy. Even if mods didn't exist, Skyrim would've been succesful, it was even before GECK was released. Skyrim doesn't just exist for PC, there are consoles that use it. Do you think Microsoft would be shelving out money to get DLC first on the 360 if they thought this was a failure?
After spending over 100 dollars on Skyrim and the 2 DLCs, no. I don't think I'm exaggerating one single bit.
You seem to think that were out to get poor Bethesda, and that we are all considered “fanboys” or bullies to this company. No we are not. Money doesn't grow on trees. Back then when Bethesda released Skyrim (11/11/11) it cost us a big whooping 60 bucks. That is a lot of cheese for some people to spend on software. Don't sit here lecturing me about how difficult it is to make games like Skyrim, and how we should cut Bethesda some slack for producing crap to us. I could careless how difficult it was to develop this game. If you're unable to produce quality.... don't release it at all.
As a businessman if I sell my clients low grade items I would not be in business for much longer.
Hi my name is Ryan wrote...
Lord Raijin wrote...
If you're unable to produce quality.... don't release it at all.
Yeah, Bethesda should of foreseen that some **** on the BSN with terrible opinions was going to find the product of their years of work to be subpar and just scrapped Skyrim and shut themselves down forever.
"WHO CARES ABOUT OUR MILLIONS OF FANS? OUR LORD RAIJIN IS DISPLEASED! " - Todd "I Think EA Is An Alright Company" Howard
I see problems with that already, If the Old god baby become the next pc, A choices from players would be taken away meaning only those who had choosen the rit with morgan can play him, and he will be only male gender only, since in witch hunt morigan states that it's a boyLord Raijin wrote...
You mean Dragon age: Dragonborn
I'm getting the feeling that the Old God Baby that either came from Alistair or the Warden will become an important role for the next game, or perhabs the next game after that. The next new protagonist.
I hope that this will happen in the next game. I don't mind playing a one race character again.
i know right/DatOneFanboy wrote...
CAUSE SKYRIM STARTED ALL THE RPG'S THERE WAS NO RPG"s BEFORE SKYRIM
I totally agree. The only difference between the two plots one had depth and consequences the other didnt.Wulfram wrote...
If you're looking at things that way, Skyrim's plot was basically DA:O's, anyway. Fereldan = Skyrim just on the other hemisphere. Alduin = Archdemon. Loghain = Ulfric.
Civil wars seem overdone in fantasy. While you hardly ever get wars between nations. It's either civil war or war vs the big bad evil guy. Usually both like DA:O and Skyrim - and probably DA:I.
Modifié par themonty72, 06 octobre 2013 - 12:21 .
Kalas Magnus wrote...
i know right/DatOneFanboy wrote...
CAUSE SKYRIM STARTED ALL THE RPG'S THERE WAS NO RPG"s BEFORE SKYRIM
All still true, Jimmy.Br3ad wrote...
Most of the Lore for Skyrim was made in '94-'96, m8. Shouting, Dragonborn, Alduin, Dragons, all that, was made before BioWare was even a company.
Most Bethesda fans play on the Xbox, so this makes no sense.Angrywolves wrote...
Bethesda knows its fans.
They know the fans will correct their deficiencies /shortcomings with mods.
Bioware doesn't have that luxury so their standards have to be higher.
shrugs.
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Modifié par simfamSP, 06 octobre 2013 - 12:03 .
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Then, along come Skyrim, the first Elder Scrolls game to introduce the concept of dragons and then make them as a central theme.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Skyrim was a complete failure. If it wasn't for the hard working mod writers(Bethesda's slaves) in the mod community the game would be unplayable.
Last Darkness wrote...
With all the art and demo focus on the Inquisitors helm I really get a "This is just like Skyrim" vibe from the game so far. Especialy if you read the comics and books about the "Dragon Blooded" and of course the Old God baby that may have happend (Gaider your fans are not going to let this one go even though the unofficial Warden died) is technicaly Dragonborn.
Is it just me or is it the similar setting?
Herr Uhl wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Then, along come Skyrim, the first Elder Scrolls game to introduce the concept of dragons and then make them as a central theme.
Every religion in Tamriel has a Akatosh (a dragon) as one of their gods. While they hadn't been prevalent in other games, the concept was there.
Miscellaneous Mind wrote...
lol "Skyrim companions"
KENNY4753 wrote...
and DA stole Khajit from Skyrim when the created Ser Pounce-a-lot
and DA stole enchanting from Skyrim when they made ENCHANTMENT!!!
and DA stole swords and armor and magic and bows and Elves and potions from Skyrim too
It seems pretty clear to me that BioWare stole everything in the DA series from Bethesda.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Serana was the only companion in the game with a decent background. Funny how we couldn't marry her.
Lord Raijin wrote...
Skyrim was a complete failure. If it wasn't for the hard working mod writers(Bethesda's slaves) in the mod community the game would be unplayable.
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