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quadripledgic.swiss.man.on.a.pony wrote...
Im going to stick with my "Collectors being creepy comic-book-guy like freaks who collect everything and preserve it" theory. They collected protheans, they collect shep, Shep meets protheans, etc.
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TheRastapopolous wrote...
Rivercurse wrote...
It's highly possible that the surviving Prothean scientists (who were stranded on the Citadel) were taken by the collectors. Its not like there was any other ships/defences that could have got in their way. After the reapers retreated they could have used the relay system to walk right up to the citadel's front door without eno****ering a single sentient being.
So yeah I guess it's also possible that their technology could have been advanced by torture/extracting information from those last remaining Protheans.
if they were around and spacefaring right after the last cycle, they would have probably advanced this far on their own.
but why not take the citadel for themselves then?
Modifié par Rivercurse, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .
Rivercurse wrote...
Two reason, either alignment with the Reapers (doubtful)
Or the scientists that they discovered there told them about the cycle, and that the Reapers planned civilisations to gravitate around the Citadel and build technology akin to what they found there. If this is the case, then it'c logic to retreat through the omega 4 relay, and defend the other side so that no one would ever know they are there, or what lies on the other side.
I like that idea. Alternatively, if they were advanced enough to reach the Citadel after the Reapers left, but early enough that they met the last 12 Prothean scientists... Surely that makes it likely they were already aware of the Reapers? It'd be very coincidental otherwise. I mean they were roaming the galaxy methodically exterminating life for a few centuries, kinda hard to miss.Rivercurse wrote...
TheRastapopolous wrote...
Rivercurse wrote...
It's highly possible that the surviving Prothean scientists (who were stranded on the Citadel) were taken by the collectors. Its not like there was any other ships/defences that could have got in their way. After the reapers retreated they could have used the relay system to walk right up to the citadel's front door without eno****ering a single sentient being.
So yeah I guess it's also possible that their technology could have been advanced by torture/extracting information from those last remaining Protheans.
if they were around and spacefaring right after the last cycle, they would have probably advanced this far on their own.
but why not take the citadel for themselves then?
Two reason, either alignment with the Reapers (doubtful)
Or the scientists that they discovered there told them about the cycle, and that the Reapers planned civilisations to gravitate around the Citadel and build technology akin to what they found there. If this is the case, then it'c logic to retreat through the omega 4 relay, and defend the other side so that no one would ever know they are there, or what lies on the other side.
Raptr569 wrote...
or maybe the Collectors while being more insectoid than other races in the galaxy could comprehend the goals of the Reapers and submitted or sided with them.
Maybe the keepers got rid of anything like that? I mean, just because the Protheans worked out how to stop them responding to Sovereign's external open-the-main-relay signal, doesn't mean they changed anything else. Perhaps they did leave a written warning or a primitive carving and the keepers repaired it like they'd presumably get rid of graffiti or battle damage or blood from the millions of slaughtered Protheans.TheRastapopolous wrote...
Rivercurse wrote...
Two reason, either alignment with the Reapers (doubtful)
Or the scientists that they discovered there told them about the cycle, and that the Reapers planned civilisations to gravitate around the Citadel and build technology akin to what they found there. If this is the case, then it'c logic to retreat through the omega 4 relay, and defend the other side so that no one would ever know they are there, or what lies on the other side.
true, but that means they came to a different conlusion about how to handle the reaper threat than the protheans.
this even might explain why the asari, supposedly the first to rediscover the citadel did not find any warnings left behind by the prothean scientists.
that bugged me a lot in me1. they use the conduit to travel to the citadel, reprogram the keepers and then just dye?
no written warnings? nothing in the archives of the supposedly always running citadel? not even primitive carvings?
heck, even I could have come up with some primitve comic that explains the reaper threat.
Stoko981 wrote...
Maybe the keepers got rid of anything like that? I mean, just because the Protheans worked out how to stop them responding to Sovereign's external open-the-main-relay signal, doesn't mean they changed anything else. Perhaps they did leave a written warning or a primitive carving and the keepers repaired it like they'd presumably get rid of graffiti or battle damage or blood from the millions of slaughtered Protheans.
And surely they must be programmed to expunge damaging data from the Citadel database. I mean, no one knows what a Prothean looked like - which means for a start, the Prothean version of AVINA was wiped. Or at the very least, the appearance and cultural databases were, even if the basis of the software was left intact. That is, assuming the AVINA system wasn't added by the "modern day" races. But still, all Prothean data - census records etc, for all the mystery surrounding their race, I imagine none of that was intact either. Certainly there was nothing like technical specifications for any technology. Maybe the Reapers did that, or maybe the keepers did. If they did, they could certainly have deleted any digital warnings the Protheans tried to leave. Just as they would probably have had to delete any sensor records taken as the Reaper fleet retreated into Dark Space.
Good point. Off the top of my head - maybe it was too big and solidly constructed for them to do anything about? I mean, they are spindly little things, with no apparent tools (except, possibly, omnitools?). Certainly nothing that could do large scale demolition. I was more thinking they'd have clean up duty. Like, remove stains, artifacts like paper notes, that sort of thing.TheRastapopolous wrote...
Stoko981 wrote...
Maybe the keepers got rid of anything like that? I mean, just because the Protheans worked out how to stop them responding to Sovereign's external open-the-main-relay signal, doesn't mean they changed anything else. Perhaps they did leave a written warning or a primitive carving and the keepers repaired it like they'd presumably get rid of graffiti or battle damage or blood from the millions of slaughtered Protheans.
And surely they must be programmed to expunge damaging data from the Citadel database. I mean, no one knows what a Prothean looked like - which means for a start, the Prothean version of AVINA was wiped. Or at the very least, the appearance and cultural databases were, even if the basis of the software was left intact. That is, assuming the AVINA system wasn't added by the "modern day" races. But still, all Prothean data - census records etc, for all the mystery surrounding their race, I imagine none of that was intact either. Certainly there was nothing like technical specifications for any technology. Maybe the Reapers did that, or maybe the keepers did. If they did, they could certainly have deleted any digital warnings the Protheans tried to leave. Just as they would probably have had to delete any sensor records taken as the Reaper fleet retreated into Dark Space.
I believe the reapers would wipe the citadel systems and send a cleanup crew before retrating back to darkspace,
and maybe the keepers periodically wipe the archives clean if there are no inhabitants,
but if the keepers were actively destroying anything foreign, then why is the mini mass relay still standing in the presidium ring?
TheRastapopolous wrote...
Stoko981 wrote...
Maybe the keepers got rid of anything like that? I mean, just because the Protheans worked out how to stop them responding to Sovereign's external open-the-main-relay signal, doesn't mean they changed anything else. Perhaps they did leave a written warning or a primitive carving and the keepers repaired it like they'd presumably get rid of graffiti or battle damage or blood from the millions of slaughtered Protheans.
And surely they must be programmed to expunge damaging data from the Citadel database. I mean, no one knows what a Prothean looked like - which means for a start, the Prothean version of AVINA was wiped. Or at the very least, the appearance and cultural databases were, even if the basis of the software was left intact. That is, assuming the AVINA system wasn't added by the "modern day" races. But still, all Prothean data - census records etc, for all the mystery surrounding their race, I imagine none of that was intact either. Certainly there was nothing like technical specifications for any technology. Maybe the Reapers did that, or maybe the keepers did. If they did, they could certainly have deleted any digital warnings the Protheans tried to leave. Just as they would probably have had to delete any sensor records taken as the Reaper fleet retreated into Dark Space.
I believe the reapers would wipe the citadel systems and send a cleanup crew before retrating back to darkspace,
and maybe the keepers periodically wipe the archives clean if there are no inhabitants,
but if the keepers were actively destroying anything foreign, then why is the mini mass relay still standing in the presidium ring?
Stoko981 wrote...
Good point. Off the top of my head - maybe it was too big and solidly constructed for them to do anything about? I mean, they are spindly little things, with no apparent tools (except, possibly, omnitools?). Certainly nothing that could do large scale demolition. I was more thinking they'd have clean up duty. Like, remove stains, artifacts like paper notes, that sort of thing.
Guest_Rivercurse_*
TheRastapopolous wrote...
true, but that means they came to a different conlusion about how to handle the reaper threat than the protheans.
this even might explain why the asari, supposedly the first to rediscover the citadel did not find any warnings left behind by the prothean scientists.
that bugged me a lot in me1. they use the conduit to travel to the citadel, reprogram the keepers and then just dye?
no written warnings? nothing in the archives of the supposedly always running citadel? not even primitive carvings?
heck, even I could have come up with some primitve comic that explains the reaper threat.
ResidentNoob wrote...
There would be a number of problems with trying to reconstruct their species:
1. Given the limited population that they had, even if more were saved, after so much time they would wind up having to breed with their family members, which firstly, would weaken their species as a whole, and secondly, might be some kind of 'unbreakable even before death' taboo to the Protheans, or if they have to breed with their family members (and it isn't an unbreakable taboo), then their species' numbers would still diminish, just at a slower rate.
2. There's no guarantee that they would have a viable number of boys and girls to carry on the next generation; they could all turn out to be one gender, therefore royally screwing their species over, or they could just wind up having no children at all somehow.
There's probably a lot of other reasons, but I just can't think of any more right now.
Snoopies wrote...
Maybe its made from the same materials that the Citadel is made from, so shows up as part of the station when keepers scanned for foreign objects.
TheRastapopolous wrote...
Snoopies wrote...
Maybe its made from the same materials that the Citadel is made from, so shows up as part of the station when keepers scanned for foreign objects.
that is another thing that irks me about me1.
if the reapers infact constructed the mass relays and are the pinnacle of evolution, i.e there never has been any one species more advanced than them, like souvereign claims... why did they not notice there is a mini mass relay on the citadel?
its supposedly their technology...
I think what it told us was bogus.
Rioteous wrote...
Wasn't the mini-mass relay installed after they departed and after the Keepers had been altered?
Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...
I wouldn't quote the Mass Effect Wiki as a definative source of info. Plenty of invalid data on that site.
Krilral wrote...
I don't get why the protheans shut down the stasis pods containing most of the last of their people to conserve power. Vigil could just have opened the stasis pods to let the other protheans out and THEN shut them down.
TheRastapopolous wrote...
Krilral wrote...
I don't get why the protheans shut down the stasis pods containing most of the last of their people to conserve power. Vigil could just have opened the stasis pods to let the other protheans out and THEN shut them down.
I guess they thought it too risky.
they would have needed food, water, energy, etc.
if they had left the installation they would have eventually even grown in size (the extinction took centuries)
one of them falling under indoctrination would have meant the end of all others.
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