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[Andraste_Reborn]

They'd feed you to the goats. Remember, Qunari waste nothing.

Well, I guess that's sort of comforting .

[Wulfram]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That philosophy is a product of your enviroment. For the purpose of this exercise, you would have to imagine yourself brought up in Qunari society, with Qunari values.

Well, I'd like to imagine that I would reject those values even if I was brought up with them.  And if not, well you're basically asking about who I'd be if I was a totally different person.  Which doesn't seem like a question that can be sensibly answered.

[Kidd]

Andrastee wrote...

I know that the Qunari claim everyone has a place in the Qun, but somehow I doubt they'd have found one for me. I'd probably be dead.

Even if the best you can do is to be fed by tamassrans, you will be in that spot. Everybody do the best they can. And if being fed is your only talent, that is what will happen. Nobody dies needlessly under the Qun. Whether you are crippled, born deformed or with magic, the Qun does not wish to see you dead. You exist to be, such is your role as a living creature. And the Qun demands you ascertain that duty.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 07 octobre 2013 - 11:49 .

[Xilizhra]

DPSSOC wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

I'd leave the Qun rather quickly then lead a justifiable, ideological war of annihilation against it.

What do people have against the Qun.  I mean it's not the greatest system imaginable but it's head and shoulders above anything else being offered.  It is a society without bigotry, where you are only judged by what you do rather than where you're from or who your parents are.  It is the only society where true social mobility exists rather than the illusion of mobility.  Best of all, to me anyway, it is a society where the egos of individuals are not valued above the well being of others.

It's a society where your genetics can lead to you being caged and having your tongue ripped out. It's a society where social mobility comes with the fact that you're unable to change anything about the society, ever. And it's a society where the ego and demands of it's all-devouring religion are placed far above the lives and minds of foreign "things." Most of all, while the other societies are deeply flawed, they're flawed in ways that many of our own societies were in the past and eventually rose above, and are made up of changeable people, rather than biological machines who exist only to do what they're told.

That philosophy is a product of your enviroment. For the purpose of this
exercise, you would have to imagine yourself brought up in Qunari
society, with Qunari values.

My answer doesn't change.

Nobody dies needlessly under the Qun.

Not true! Mages who talk are killed at once, which apparently extends to foreign ones.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 07 octobre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Having read a lot of your posts. I'd assume you'd be all for the qun

It's an attempt to create a perfect society far before anyone has the capacity to do so, hence resulting in nothing but an abomination.

[Davrel]

The arrogance in this thread.
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

[Xilizhra]

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread.
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

I just said that my place would be getting horribly killed. In any case, it's not like what you said is unprecedented.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 07 octobre 2013 - 01:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

Whatever the Qun assigned me.

[Plaintiff]

They'd have to give me the qamek and put me to work as a mindless drone because I'm not staying in the Qun.

[Dave of Canada]

Ailith430 wrote...

Yeah, I feel like people romantisize the Qun a bit too much, it's not really a great system IMO. People like being told what to do I guess.

It's better than having your life decided by your class/birth; being forced to make ends meet while starving and dying of disease. Qunari have a higher quality of life in exchange of doing what you're best at, they don't need to worry about catering to some lord or guardsmen who follow their own set of laws.

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread. 
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

Just have to love western ideals.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 octobre 2013 - 01:22 .

[robertthebard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Yeah, I feel like people romantisize the Qun a bit too much, it's not really a great system IMO. People like being told what to do I guess.

It's better than having your life decided by your class/birth; being forced to make ends meet while starving and dying of disease. Qunari have a higher quality of life in exchange of doing what you're best at, they don't need to worry about catering to some lord or guardsmen who follow their own set of laws.

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread. 
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

Just have to love western ideals.

Yeah, being free to make your own choices really sucks, I don't know how anyone survives it.

I have no place in the Qun.  This is the question posed by the topic, and  is my answer.  There is no arrogance, there is no condemnation of the Qun, there is only the fact that, as posed, I have no place in the Qun.  I have managed over the course of the last half century to do the things I was good at w/out somebody else telling me what I was good at, and what I was allowed/disallowed to be or do.  So I'll pass, thanks anyway.

[Aolbain]

Hopefully somewhere in the priesthood. I'm not really sold on being a solider and the whole "penis" thing excludes a lot of options.

Edit: If I was raised in the Qun/suficently brainwashed (wouldnt be that hard), that is.

Modifié par Aolbain, 07 octobre 2013 - 02:23 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

robertthebard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Yeah, I feel like people romantisize the Qun a bit too much, it's not really a great system IMO. People like being told what to do I guess.

It's better than having your life decided by your class/birth; being forced to make ends meet while starving and dying of disease. Qunari have a higher quality of life in exchange of doing what you're best at, they don't need to worry about catering to some lord or guardsmen who follow their own set of laws.

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread. 
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

Just have to love western ideals.

Yeah, being free to make your own choices really sucks, I don't know how anyone survives it.

I have no place in the Qun.  This is the question posed by the topic, and  is my answer.  There is no arrogance, there is no condemnation of the Qun, there is only the fact that, as posed, I have no place in the Qun.  I have managed over the course of the last half century to do the things I was good at w/out somebody else telling me what I was good at, and what I was allowed/disallowed to be or do.  So I'll pass, thanks anyway.

And yet another fails the purpose of the exercise.

[Beerfish]

I'd be in the newly created position of cookie maker.

[Sol Downer]

Antaam, I suppose? If that's how you spell it, anyway.

[Former_Fiend]

Xilizhra wrote...

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread.
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

I just said that my place would be getting horribly killed. In any case, it's not like what you said is unprecedented.

My question is what makes you so sure you'd be a mage?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread.
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

I just said that my place would be getting horribly killed. In any case, it's not like what you said is unprecedented.

My question is what makes you so sure you'd be a mage?

She isn't saying she'd necessarily be a mage, but that her ideals and morals are bred in her by nature and not by society. Thus even if brought up in a completely different society with different norms and values, she would still be the exact same person. And since she holds an intense hatred of anyhting Qun, she would not fit in, and would either end up Tal-Vasoth and probably killed, or get Qamek'ed (yeah, its a noun now).

[Medhia Nox]

I think I would like to be a saarebas actually.

Though, were I to romanticize my place in the Qun - I think I would also like to devote my time to shifting the opinion of the Saarebas to the sometimes suggested "honored and pitied" position that they are sometimes said to possess (but do not really).

[EmperorSahlertz]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I think I would like to be a saarebas actually.

Though, were I to romanticize my place in the Qun - I think I would also like to devote my time to shifting the opinion of the Saarebas to the sometimes suggested "honored and pitied" position that they are sometimes said to possess (but do not really).

We don't a big enoug test interface. to accurately judge wether or not Qunari pity and honor the Saarebas.

[Taleroth]

Town drunk.

Surely the Qun has a place for that one guy that stumbles around making everyone around him feel some combination of both awkward and sad.

How else will the rest of the Qunari know to be grateful for their roles?

[Medhia Nox]

@Emperor: I was just going off what the wiki says. I agree we don't know enough about the Qunari at all to make real informed opinions.

[d4eaming]

Yep, I wouldn't make it in the Qun either. I managed to be completely different from my entire family (religion, politics, ideals, liberal instead of conservative, etc etc) so I like to think that even in a different situation, I'd still be the same person. And under the Qun, I would fight back and be killed, or lobotomied and turned into slave labor. Before that happened though, I'd hope I was a story-teller.

[Vit246]

Davrel wrote...

The arrogance in this thread.
"Not me bro, my iron will wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. I'd break free and beat up the whole Qun in the name of freedom and liberty."

What about the Tal-Vashoth then?

[Will-o'-wisp]

Lol, I like how all the "I'd leave immediately or die trying" people seem to have that much of a problem with the Qun taking away their freedom and free will.

The Qun assigns you to a job that you're good at and teaches you how every part of the body fulfills an important task for maintaining the function of the whole being.

In every other part of Thedas you're born a peasant/commoner who's nothing more than a slave to his/her noble master, has very few rights, no social mobility whatsoever and doesn't have any bit more "freedom" or "free will" than someone who lives in the Qun.

The only thing that somewhat bothers me about the Qun is their extreme treatment of mages, but apart from that the Qunari society seem to be the best possible society in Thedas to live in imo.

Modifié par Poison93, 07 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .