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[Baihu1983]

What?

[ConanTheLeader]

I don't think that will be the kid in the next game, chances are we could play as a human because that species is obviously more relatable than some alien. However, after a human for three games we might get the chance to be something else, hopefully like Skyrim. Always wanted to be a Krogan wizard...

[Baihu1983]

Ah yeah its not Shepards son because well no LI is up the duff and if its female Shep high chances are shes not around to have a kid.

[AlexMBrennan]

You get the same scene if you pick refuse so it certainly can't be Shepard or Shepard's children, and it's unlikely to be related to any future games because making games set in Refuse continuity would be ME in name only (none of the familiar people, races or locations being around)

[Zaalbar]

The Stargazer scene should have been a 1000 year old Eve (Urdnot Bakara) telling her grandchildren the legend of Shepard and how he helped to bring about a new Krogan future.
Or
Failing that, an old matriarch Liara some 900 years down the road telling her grandchildren the story's of the Legend that is Shepard and how he effected her life.
Or
Perhaps Quarians and possibly Geth living together in a utopia on Rannoch reminiscing on the Legend of Shepard and how he brought peace to both races.

I never really understood why Bioware felt the need to waste resources on 2 brand new nameless characters in some undetermined future telling us story's of the legend of Shepard like I'm supposed to care. I've no idea who these people are, what planet this is, what timeframe we're in, so I simply don't care for the scene.
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On the other hand, having Urdnot Bakara , Liara T'Soni or Quarians years down the road telling the story adds an emotional connection and brings home to the fact that my choices MATTER!

Modifié par zaalbar76, 07 octobre 2013 - 02:00 .

[KR96]

Never really becomes clear what the purpose of that scene reallly is. I guess it's just an excuse to put Buzz Aldrin's voice (Stargazer) in there. It does not clarify at all what the future is like and in fact only makes the ending more puzzling than it was already.

[Iakus]

Stargazing scene should have been a very old Shepard talking to a kid who didn't know Shep's identity.

At least, in the High EMS versions.

[Siven80]

No one knows what the scene meant because of 2 people who wanted lots of speculation on the poor ending.

[NM_Che56]

Darth Revan91 wrote...

I have one question about the last scene with the old guy and the kid what it means first time when i see it i was thinking this is Shepard and his grandchild but not was Shepard what is that scene then is that mehat the kid will be in the nextan the game

1) Periods, man...they're not just for breeding aged women.  Bad, sick joke.  Hope you laughed.

2) SERIOUS COMMENT: I think it was just so that you appreciate how far reaching Shepards actions were; i.e., that generations from now, people are still recounting the tale.  Much how people recount stories from history about people like Alexander the Great (UP THE IRONS!!!!), Constantine (Byzantine emporer), etc.

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You get the same scene if you pick refuse so it certainly can't be Shepard or Shepard's children, and it's unlikely to be related to any future games because making games set in Refuse continuity would be ME in name only (none of the familiar people, races or locations being around)

Refuse gets a different scene.

But since Stargazer 1 is always male and Stargazer 2 is always female, I don't know how someone can think either one is Shepard.

[AlanC9]

zaalbar76 wrote...
On the other hand, having Urdnot Bakara , Liara T'Soni or Quarians years down the road telling the story adds an emotional connection and brings home to the fact that my choices MATTER!

Of course, any or all of those could be dead at the end of ME3. Maybe Aethyta or the Consort would be better choices, if they've only got the zots to do it once or twice.

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 octobre 2013 - 04:56 .

[The Twilight God]

Darth Revan91 wrote...

I have one question about the last scene with the old guy and the kid what it means first time when i see it i was thinking this is Shepard and his grandchild but not was Shepard what is that scene then is that mehat the kid will be in the nextan the game

It's a way to disavow any ending.

Effective, regardless of what you pick the writers have reduced your choice down to "the stargazer's telling of a story" so the actual events may have played out differently than what occurred in-game.

[2Pac]

Siven80 wrote...

No one knows what the scene meant because of 2 people who wanted lots of speculation on the poor ending.

 I used to think stargazer was illusive man. :|

[MegaIllusiveMan]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You get the same scene if you pick refuse so it certainly can't be Shepard or Shepard's children, and it's unlikely to be related to any future games because making games set in Refuse continuity would be ME in name only (none of the familiar people, races or locations being around)

Actually no... You get the same scene, but with different species.

@ Darth Revan: I really don't think so, but who knows?

(Casey does, but he wouldn't tell us )

[MegaIllusiveMan]

alliance commander wrote...

Siven80 wrote...

No one knows what the scene meant because of 2 people who wanted lots of speculation on the poor ending.

 I used to think stargazer was illusive man. :|

Me too... Well, sort of. I used to think that it was Martin Sheen's voice there, not Buzz Aldrins'

@ People who say that Stargazer scene din't have an importance:

I think the importance of the scene was to actually show that Shepard became a legend, instead of just putting a Wall of Text saying:

SHEPARD BECAME A LEGEND!

[Omega Torsk]

In a very headcanon-centric scenario, I'd like to imagine the son/daughter of Admiral Anderson and Kahlee Sanders as a future protagonist... (Hey, she could have been in the early stages in ME3. Deception confirmed that they were making whoopie at that point, and that's right before ME3 takes place).

But yeah, the Stargazer scene... when I saw it originally (back in March of '12), it felt like salt being rubbed on an already-gaping wound of confusion. It didn't make sense. Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a universe where it's commonplace? They were obviously not on Earth, due to there being two moons where they were. Was it a stranded colony that somehow heard about Shepard's heroics? Were they the descendants of the standed Normandy crew?

I just... GAH! "Speculation from Everyones."

[Dubozz]

Siven80 wrote...

No one knows what the scene meant because of 2 people who wanted lots of speculation on the poor ending.

This.
Also google "winter in space"

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Omega Torsk wrote...

In a very headcanon-centric scenario, I'd like to imagine the son/daughter of Admiral Anderson and Kahlee Sanders as a future protagonist... (Hey, she could have been in the early stages in ME3. Deception confirmed that they were making whoopie at that point, and that's right before ME3 takes place).

But yeah, the Stargazer scene... when I saw it originally (back in March of '12), it felt like salt being rubbed on an already-gaping wound of confusion. It didn't make sense. Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a universe where it's commonplace? They were obviously not on Earth, due to there being two moons where they were. Was it a stranded colony that somehow heard about Shepard's heroics? Were they the descendants of the standed Normandy crew?

I just... GAH! "Speculation from Everyones."

Deception isn't considered cannon.

[Omega Torsk]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Deception isn't considered cannon.

Well, Citadel DLC proved that Sanders and Anderson were living together pre-invasion... so, there you go.

[giveamanafish...]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

In a very headcanon-centric scenario, I'd like to imagine the son/daughter of Admiral Anderson and Kahlee Sanders as a future protagonist... (Hey, she could have been in the early stages in ME3. Deception confirmed that they were making whoopie at that point, and that's right before ME3 takes place).

But yeah, the Stargazer scene... when I saw it originally (back in March of '12), it felt like salt being rubbed on an already-gaping wound of confusion. It didn't make sense. Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a universe where it's commonplace? They were obviously not on Earth, due to there being two moons where they were. Was it a stranded colony that somehow heard about Shepard's heroics? Were they the descendants of the standed Normandy crew?

I just... GAH! "Speculation from Everyones."

Deception isn't considered cannon.

"Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a[n] universe where it's commonplace?"
What the kid asks is "When can I go to the stars?" So it's a personal question, not like "When will we be able to go to the stars?" Or "Will we ever be able to go to the stars?" Or "Will I ever be able to go to the stars even tho Omega Torsk and Megaillusiveman say this should be only understood as being possibie in the fuure?"

See the difference?

Modifié par ismoketoomuch, 10 octobre 2013 - 07:36 .

[tpush]

Concerning the Stargazer scene, the game files say the following (taken from http://mod.gib.me/ma...t3/testdump.txt ):

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]
1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

The description is different for the Refuse scene, but not included in gibbed's dump.
I'll look it up.

EDIT: Found it!

"We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 30,000 years after the events of the game."

"There is a wise and thoughtful female here as well, the child looks to the "grandmother" and asks..."

Modifié par N7 Hacker, 10 octobre 2013 - 11:34 .

[Omega Torsk]

ismoketoomuch wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

In a very headcanon-centric scenario, I'd like to imagine the son/daughter of Admiral Anderson and Kahlee Sanders as a future protagonist... (Hey, she could have been in the early stages in ME3. Deception confirmed that they were making whoopie at that point, and that's right before ME3 takes place).

But yeah, the Stargazer scene... when I saw it originally (back in March of '12), it felt like salt being rubbed on an already-gaping wound of confusion. It didn't make sense. Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a universe where it's commonplace? They were obviously not on Earth, due to there being two moons where they were. Was it a stranded colony that somehow heard about Shepard's heroics? Were they the descendants of the standed Normandy crew?

I just... GAH! "Speculation from Everyones."

Deception isn't considered cannon.

"Why were they talking about space travel being a future possibility in a[n] universe where it's commonplace?"
What the kid asks is "When can I go to the stars?" So it's a personal question, not like "When will we be able to go to the stars?" Or "Will we ever be able to go to the stars?" Or "Will I ever be able to go to the stars even tho Omega Torsk and Megaillusiveman say this should be only understood as being possibie in the fuure?"

See the difference?

Your glibness aside, you make a good point...