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PurpleWhisper

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So I'm curious about a few things after replying DA2 for the first time in a long while.

Firstly, what do you all think their roles will be in DA:I? I know Cassandra will be a party member. But will the other two just be cameos? I wonder if Tallis will be a 'guest' party member on like one mission or something?

And are we supposed to know yet who outranks who in regards to Leliana and Cassandra? One has been described as the Left Hand of the Divine and the other as the Right Hand of the Divine. Both seem strong in their own right, though it seems Cassandra is asking Leliana what their next step is at the end. So perhaps Leliana is in charge? If Cassandra is going to be a party member in DA:I, then I imagine that Leliana won't be as having two incredibly strong Seeker-types might be a bit much. I really hope to see Leliana with a large NPC role like Morrigan's.

Second; what was the deal with Tallis and Leliana in Mark Of The Assasin? I know the Qun and the Chantry are at odds, but I'm insanely curious to know how exactly these two cross paths. As sweet and dappy as our shoe-obssessed bard-turned-seeker might be, she is also pretty deadly. I find it hard to imagine how Tallis managed to cross her and survive? Do you think we might learn more on this in the next game? Or perhaps a DLC?

And what does everyone think of these characters in general?

It seems like Cassandra has been pretty well received. I admit I do quite like her, though I hope shes going to be more than just the strong '**** with a heart' type. I've seen enough of that with DA's Morrigan and ME's Miranda.

I've no idea what anyone else thinks of Tallis, but though I'm a big Felicia fan, I really didn't like the character. But I kind of love to hate her.

And as for Leliana, she seems to get a mixed reaction. Much like marmite, people seem to either love her or hate her. I love her for many reasons. Her voice and accent are just the best thing ever. I kind of feel like Traynor from Mass Effect getting all loopy over just a voice, but her VA really is awesome. But i think my favourite thing about Leli is that she is strong and independant without having the be the stoic moody-cow type. Shes also unpredictable. One minutes shes is talking about shoes, then her holy faith in the Maker and then he exploits as a sexy Orlesian Bard. There are many sides to her and the fact the she is able to lie to herself and change her beliefs across the course of Origins was also really interesting. People like Fenris bored me because there was pretty much just one issue he was focused on all the time. Characters like Leli, Isabela and Varric are cool because they are more than just one issue or element. I hope to see more of these types of characters in the next game.

...I'm normally a warrior class in all things, but Bioware is quickly converting me to the Rogues :P

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 07 octobre 2013 - 10:14 .


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Think of Liliana as the shadow of the divine and Cassandra as the light. Sun and moon. Nether is in charge but that do take advice form one another.

With Liliana and Tallis, think spy vs spy.

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I think the thing with Leliana and Tallis doesn't mean a thing.

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I wish I liked Leliana more, but she's always just kinda... been there, and her promotion (or was it? dun dun dun) to Left hand of the Divine is, uh, sorta suspiciously convenient. Not that I hate her or anything, but yeah. Sort of ambivalent. I'm interested in her role in DA3, because it makes her marginally more interesting to me.

I started liking Cassandra more after watching Dawn of the Seeker, and then the gameplay footage we saw with her being the ruthless one to Varric's heart of gold was pretty cool. I'd like to see more of her and it looks like I'll get my wish. I think she and Leliana are supposed to be two sides of the same coin - equal according to the Divine, but with very different roles. One is the straightforward face of the Chantry and one is its subversive underbelly.

I'm in the minority on Tallis - everyone kept calling her a Mary Sue so I braced myself when I went to play MotA, expecting to hate her. But I liked her and wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Then again, I like elves and qunari.

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Leliana: I think she will be involved with Inquisition, helping us out now and again. She is really sweet and I look forward to see her in the new engine.

Cassandra: I respect her (because I saw the movie). Her involvement will be pretty obvious and I think she will be some kind of lieutnant, helping the inquisitor out with troop management and whatnot.

Tallis: I like and hate her at the same time. She is so smart but chose to follow the Qun anyway. And there is something else about her that just makes me want to put an arrow on her... Can't say what though... Anyway, if she tricks me again in DA:I, I will send her to the fade.

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Leliana is my absolute favourite character; I still really dislike where her story is going, but I suspect she'll be important.

I look forward to seeing what's going on with Cassandra. Especially if the Inquisition is 'in opposition to the Chantry,' which makes the implications of her being there even more interesting.

I imagine Tallis and Leliana shared a mark at some point, and thus, tension. My guess, anyway.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 octobre 2013 - 10:37 .


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"hand of the divine" is an honorary title that seems to be usually granted to Grand Clerics by the Divine. It's just tells you how much the Divine trust these people. Although, in Cassandra case she was granted the title by a previous Divine, we have idea of her relationship with Justinia V.

As for Cassandra, I expect lots of people will hate her once the game is released and they get to interact a lot more with her. Also, I don't think she's following Leliana's orders as much as following the orders of the Divine.

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I really wanted to get my hands on that list of Qunari sleeper agents. Really annoyed me that Hawke just let Tallis waltz away like that.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

Leliana is my absolute favourite character; I still really dislike where her story is going, but I suspect she'll be important.


May I ask why?

Also, on Cassandra, I don't get all the talk she gets. We know next to nothing about her. Just a few short appearances in DA2, where all I got was a Chantry zealot vibe. I don't dislike her, but I don't like her either. There just isn't enough about her to make a proper asessment. Dawn of the Seeker is both subject to change and outdated within the DA world, since it happen several years ago, and she probably has changed quite a lot.

About Tallis, I will withold judgement until I play MotA.

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Gwydden wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Leliana is my absolute favourite character; I still really dislike where her story is going, but I suspect she'll be important.


May I ask why?


Many reasons; one being, didn't I just go through all that character development about her leaving that life of spying, assassinating etc. behind her? Now she's doing it again, just for someone else. And if I had hardened her, I'm not entirely sure what she's doing with the Chantry in the first place. 'She owes Justinia a debt' can only go so far.

One side of me was also a little bummed that that nice happy ending in Awakening was more or less scrapped. Now I'm just wondering what the heck happened.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 octobre 2013 - 11:02 .


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SergeantSnookie wrote...
Many reasons; one being, didn't I just go through all that character development about her leaving that life of spying, assassinating etc. behind her? Now she's doing it again, just for someone else. And if I had hardened her, I'm not entirely sure what she's doing with the Chantry in the first place. 'She owes Justinia a debt' can only go so far.


Well, I guess I get it, though I find those things fairly easy to explain. What I think is beyond question is that she will be important in DAI. She is my favorite companion in the series so far, so I am looking forward to see what it is.

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Leliana > 2 garbage characters.

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I wouldn't mind Leliana showing up briefly maybe since we will be in Orlais, though I wouldn't find it necessary either.

As for Tallis... No.. I hope we never see her again.

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I feel bad for the Leli romancers, though. What if you hate the chantry? Yo girl is doing the Divine's dirty work.

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I can't stand Tallis so if she never appears again, it'll be too soon. Everything about her annoyed me when I played MotA. I didn't know anything about it going in, so it's not like the BSN tainted her for me, either. She's just like nails on chalkboard in every single way.

I was always very lukewarm about Leliana. I don't care about her, never felt invested in her character, so seeing her turn up instead of characters I did like was annoying. I don't hate her though, so I'll just wait and see how it goes with Inquisition once the game is out.

Cassandra absolutely intrigues me, however. She's attractive without being overly femme, she's strong, she stands out. She's one of the characters I am most excited to learn more about in DAI. I really enjoy strong female characters that can take care of themselves, and Cassandra pushes all my right buttons.

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Of course I loved Leliana too.
I think it's the voice, plus the fact the VA is a very beautiful young woman.
shrugs.
I think it's unfair to say Cassandra is light and Leliana is darkness.
Could be the other way around .
I think people who want to love Cassandra , for romance reasons or other reasons already do.The gate shattering was impressive .
Don't believe most players will hate her either.
The rumor is her loyalty to the chantry is wavering.
We'll see if that's true.
I suspect players who decide to go against the chantry will have Leliana become an enemy, and will have to either persuade her or fight her.
As for Tallis, not sure she'll be in DAI.
I hope she is though as an npc.

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mutant_anemone wrote...

I feel bad for the Leli romancers, though. What if you hate the chantry? Yo girl is doing the Divine's dirty work.


Nah, I'm sure that blew over just fine and dandy for her and my extremely pro-elven Dalish Warden. :S

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mutant_anemone wrote...

I feel bad for the Leli romancers, though. What if you hate the chantry? Yo girl is doing the Divine's dirty work.

My Dalish warden's dead, so it's cool.

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PurpleWhisper wrote...

Second; what was the deal with Tallis and Leliana in Mark Of The Assasin? I know the Qun and the Chantry are at odds, but I'm insanely curious to know how exactly these two cross paths. As sweet and dappy as our shoe-obssessed bard-turned-seeker might be, she is also pretty deadly. I find it hard to imagine how Tallis managed to cross her and survive? Do you think we might learn more on this in the next game? Or perhaps a DLC?


It doesn't surprise me that Leliana and Tallis crossed paths in the past, they're both highly skilled spies and assassins.
As for Tallis surviving, I suspect they both have escape plans ready when they're flying solo - or they might have run into each other while gathering intelligence in a neutral setting - like the party in MotA, "it takes one to know one" they say after all. ;)
I don't think Tallis will be a partymember in DAI, but I wouldn't rule out the chance of her showing up as an agent.

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HiroVoid wrote...

mutant_anemone wrote...

I feel bad for the Leli romancers, though. What if you hate the chantry? Yo girl is doing the Divine's dirty work.

My Dalish warden's dead, so it's cool.


Yeah I'm importing a US Amell for my human (third) playthrough. She's not entirely anti-Chantry, but she wouldn't want her being the Divine's Left Hand. But she's dead and it's harder to argue with her.

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d4eaming wrote...
I was always very lukewarm about Leliana. I don't care about her, never felt invested in her character, so seeing her turn up instead of characters I did like was annoying. I don't hate her though, so I'll just wait and see how it goes with Inquisition once the game is out.


It's when people say things like this that I am glad that I don't hate any DA companions, and just feel indifferent towards a couple of them (Velanna and Sigrun, probably because I didn't really talked a lot to them. Stupid dialogue mechanic from DAA). I missed Sten, Oghren, Wynne and all the others in DA2, but I also enjoyed every little cameo.

d4eaming wrote...
Cassandra absolutely intrigues me, however. She's attractive without being overly femme, she's strong, she stands out. She's one of the characters I am most excited to learn more about in DAI. I really enjoy strong female characters that can take care of themselves, and Cassandra pushes all my right buttons.


I find her too "rigid", for lack of a better word. Kind of like Aveline, only worse. Of course, we still have to see what she's like around people she likes and trusts.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

Nah, I'm sure that blew over just fine and dandy for her and my extremely pro-elven Dalish Warden. :S


One of the reasons I'm reluctant to pursue her in DAO. Knowing ahead of time that we have veerrry different futures planned kind of puts a damper on the romance, n'awm sayin?

HiroVoid wrote...
My Dalish warden's dead, so it's cool.

This is my solution to any Warden-related discrepancies in Inquisition. B)

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SergeantSnookie wrote...
Nah, I'm sure that blew over just fine and dandy for her and my extremely pro-elven Dalish Warden. :S


I imagine my mage won't be thrilled about it either, but he'll cope with it. You don't have to agree with your friends/lovers on everything.

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

PurpleWhisper wrote...

Second; what was the deal with Tallis and Leliana in Mark Of The Assasin? I know the Qun and the Chantry are at odds, but I'm insanely curious to know how exactly these two cross paths. As sweet and dappy as our shoe-obssessed bard-turned-seeker might be, she is also pretty deadly. I find it hard to imagine how Tallis managed to cross her and survive? Do you think we might learn more on this in the next game? Or perhaps a DLC?


It doesn't surprise me that Leliana and Tallis crossed paths in the past, they're both highly skilled spies and assassins.
As for Tallis surviving, I suspect they both have escape plans ready when they're flying solo - or they might have run into each other while gathering intelligence in a neutral setting - like the party in MotA, "it takes one to know one" they say after all. ;)
I don't think Tallis will be a partymember in DAI, but I wouldn't rule out the chance of her showing up as an agent.

I assume whatever happened just included Tallis telling Leliana 'No.', and she then walked off.

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mutant_anemone wrote...
One of the reasons I'm reluctant to pursue her in DAO. Knowing ahead of time that we have veerrry different futures planned kind of puts a damper on the romance, n'awm sayin?


For me it adds to the flavor. A story cannot exist without conflicts.

mutant_anemone wrote...
This is my solution to any Warden-related discrepancies in Inquisition. B)


Poor Orlesian Warden Commander. No one ever seems to remember him.