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[Kataphrut94]

cooldonkeyfish wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

How could we forget Warden Kuril from Jack's recruitment mission?

"Hey Shepard, you're a valuable man, so could you please get in this cell for me? Pretty please? No, put those weapons that we were too lazy to confiscate down!"

Also, Wilson from the start of ME2.

"I've just invented a cure for death! This will make me the richest, most powerful and most beloved man in the galaxy! I know what I'll do; I'll set the security mechs to blow everything up, kill the only test subject and turn the mechs on before I've actually escaped the station. Genius!"

It was never explained why either of them did what they did, it's been theorized that they were being payed by the Collectors for Shepard's body (they wanted him dead or alive).
Otherwise why would they sabotage their well-running operations?

See, Kuril's motivation is fine; he just wants to make a buck. It's just that his way of going about it SOO bad it's laughable. If he knew he was going to be capturing Shepard, why did he let him keep the weapons? Worse still, why did he announce his plan to capture Shepard before Shepard walked into the cell?

As for Wilson, yeah I'm still not buying it. I'm not sure about the Collectors, but it is hinted ingame that he did it for the money. Either way, he's still a fool for assuming that anyone could offer him anything more for sabotaging the cure than he would get for selling it. Not to mention that he still screwed up and got shot by the mechs himself.

[shodiswe]

Tbh... most plans sucked. But Iguess that's why Shepard made it to the end.

There are flaws all over. Some of them were worse than others thoguh because they were mentaly retarded and didn't care to look out for their own safety.

The Catalyst is the only Villain that holds all the cards in the end. So I guess that means it had the best plan, or maybe it merely had the most resources....

Modifié par shodiswe, 08 octobre 2013 - 02:43 .

[KR96]

There was this one side mission for ME1 where Shepard had to negotiate with a warlord of some kind. The guy constantly insisted to be addressed as 'My Lord' and kept on whining about the Alliance... That guy was just asking for a bullet in the head if you ask me.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, there are so many candidates. Pretty much every single villain in the whole series had a terrible plan.

Yeah. As bad as Brooks may have been, she's actually one of the better ones.

Tela Vasir and Saren are the only competant major antagonists we've seen, IMO. And Saren was actually kinda boring.

[The Night Mammoth]

Saren was alright. Cool, menacing, but I'd have liked to have known more about the origin of his servitude to Sovereign, and perhaps his possibly suicide could have been a little less abrupt.

Also, I wasn't a fan of him being a racist. It didn't really add anything to his character. It would have been interesting if Saren sabotaged Anderson's mission because he genuinely thought Anderson was incompetent, rather than just because he was an arrogant bigot.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 08 octobre 2013 - 04:24 .

[Wulfram]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Did you miss the bit about the clone impersonating Shepard? The Alliance would have no reason to track down the Normandy because, as far as they know, everything is in order; if it hadn't been for Glyph magically being able to open the vault (seriously, what kind of security is that? I can buy spectres being able to access them, but any random drone?) then the plan would have worked. .

All Shepard's friends are missing, including a senior aide to the Primarch, the ruler of the Krogans and a Quarian Admiral.  And the Normandy has left in some haste with none of it's crew on board.

And Glyph is the Shadowbroker's drone.  Presumably it's equipped for hacking.

[AlanC9]

Saren was competent. Sovereign, not so much.

But yeah, it's a tough competition.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Jahleed's plan - if you consider him a villain - comes off as pretty stupid, especially if Shepard has already talked to Chorban and agreed to scan the keepers. I gather that Jahleed is afraid Chorban will kill him, and tells Shepard this in the hopes that Shepard will arrest or kill Chorban before he gets the chance, but why would Shepard do that? Did it not occur to him that Shepard would at least ask Chorban for his side of the story first, and that Chorban is less likely to freak out and pick a fight if he already knows Shepard?

I suppose the Leviathans probably win this title with the benefit of hindsight, given that their plan resulted in a billion years of cycles of genocide.

[dgcatanisiri]

Wulfram wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Did you miss the bit about the clone impersonating Shepard? The Alliance would have no reason to track down the Normandy because, as far as they know, everything is in order; if it hadn't been for Glyph magically being able to open the vault (seriously, what kind of security is that? I can buy spectres being able to access them, but any random drone?) then the plan would have worked. .

All Shepard's friends are missing, including a senior aide to the Primarch, the ruler of the Krogans and a Quarian Admiral.  And the Normandy has left in some haste with none of it's crew on board.

And Glyph is the Shadowbroker's drone.  Presumably it's equipped for hacking.

Stage an incident with EDI - the shipboard AI went nuts, killed everyone but 'Shepard,' who had to kill her. Even goes along with the abrupt departure - it's gives them an excuse of during the attempts to shut down EDI, they wanted to get the ship away from the Citadel and populated areas. Ta da, you have a plausible way of having all of Shepard's friends ending up dead (given Citadel space's disdain of all things AI, that would probably satisfy most of the people who would start asking questions), as well as explaining away any discrepencies in 'Shepard's' behavior, as resulting from the loss of all their friends.

[Display Name Owner]

TIM's plan to "extrapolate" control of Reaper Husks to actual Reapers somehow someway, is pretty silly. It doesn't even make sense. But he has indoctrination as an excuse so I might let that one go. Oh wait, he's indoctrinated because he hung a Reaper up outside his office... Hmmm...

Also the Leviathans' idea to build an AI to work out a fix for the problem of AIs always killing organics... Seems like the Council were closer to the right idea by just outlawing AIs.

But I'd say the worst goes to the United Peoples of the Milky Way's plan to beat the Reapers by banding together, combining every military asset they can muster and then throwing it all at Earth, that one planet that one species comes from that has no strategic value or value in general that would make that a meaningful plan.

Modifié par isnudo, 08 octobre 2013 - 11:26 .

[Argentoid]

Leviathans

[KrrKs]

Kataphrut94 wrote...
As for Wilson, yeah I'm still not buying it. I'm not sure about the Collectors, but it is hinted ingame that he did it for the money. Either way, he's still a fool for assuming that anyone could offer him anything more for sabotaging the cure than he would get for selling it. Not to mention that he still screwed up and got shot by the mechs himself.

I don't think wilson was shot by the mechs...
EVERY Mech in the game shots at the torso (even in the cutscenes! Oh apart from those Dog things ofcourse), so I guess wilson panicked and shot himself.

The villian with the worst plan would most likely be the Blue Sun Boortis onboard the ME2 Strontium Mule:
His plan was to not help his commander and let him die at Shepards hands so he can have the Cargo for himself.
Then take out the intruders (shepard), who just killed about 20 Mercs or so, with his 3 men (and 3 or 4 fenris mechs).
There is nothing that could go wrong, right?!

[Killdren88]

TIM Trying control the Reapers will only lead to indoctrination thus the death of your species.

[Jorji Costava]

I actually thought TIM's plan back in ME2 was a candidate for this. Spend billions to resurrect a dead soldier who, if he or she comes back, may or may not decide to end up working for you. Then have this soldier recruit various questionable and dangerous people not necessarily for any specialized tasks, but because they might turn out to be useful in the course of dealing with whatever the heck lies beyond the Omega 4 relay.

[Obadiah]

Opold on Noveria.

"Hey, lemme just ask this random Spectre nicely to smuggle illegal mods into Port Hanshan for me. What could go wrong?" Or better yet, "Let me sell some illegal mods I don't yet have and can't get into the port to this crazy homicidal Krogan bounty hunter, and... uh.. pray a solution for delivery presents itself."

How does that guy even run a business without crapping himself... itself... whatever.

Modifié par Obadiah, 09 octobre 2013 - 01:06 .

[Kenshen]

There are certainly quite a few to pick from but I always thought Fist's plan was very short sighted and down right doomed to fail even before Shep got involved. Double crossing someone who pretty much knows everything or can at least get intel on things nobody else even knows about isn't someone to screw over.

[KaiserShep]

To be fair to Fist, he was probably coerced by a talking Marauder with Spectre authority.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 octobre 2013 - 01:17 .

[Tron Mega]

paragon shepard.

[shodiswe]

Obadiah wrote...

Opold on Noveria.

"Hey, lemme just ask this random Spectre nicely to smuggle illegal mods into Port Hanshan for me. What could go wrong?" Or better yet, "Let me sell some illegal mods I don't yet have and can't get into the port to this crazy homicidal Krogan bounty hunter, and... uh.. pray a solution for delivery presents itself."

How does that guy even run a business without crapping himself... itself... whatever.

Maybe he's gotten used to crazy thigns happening that "provides" him with a solution.... Also, that deal with the Krogan might not have been 100% under his control, there might have been a snag to it which made him promise the mods. Some secret or fear.

But his bussines plan was terrible.

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[Zaalbar]

Harbinger in ME2

So instead of simply waiting to arrive in the galaxy, Harbinger draws attention to himself by directing the Collectors to adduct humans throughout the galaxy to build a human shaped Reaper with apparently no special ability other then it looks... err, human?
As far as bad plans go this one is at the top of my list.

Given that the Reapers began their journey to the milky way galaxy as early as the conclusion of ME1 and that journey had taken them roughly around 2-3 years to complete it would had made a lot more sense for Harbinger to hold back the Collectors until the Reapers arrival. While the Reapers attack the galaxy the Collectors could have swooped in and adduct as many colonists as it liked without much resistance.

Modifié par zaalbar76, 10 octobre 2013 - 12:40 .

[AlexMBrennan]

As a Spectre candidate, he'd especially be a pain in the ass

Did you ever read any of the codex entries or do you just make stuff up to flesh out your fantasies?

They operate independently or in groups of two or three. Some are empathetic peacekeepers, resolving disputes through diplomacy. Others are cold-blooded assassins, ruthlessly dispatching problem individuals. All get the job done, one way or another, often operating outside of the bounds of galactic law.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 09 octobre 2013 - 07:21 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

shodiswe wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Opold on Noveria.

"Hey, lemme just ask this random Spectre nicely to smuggle illegal mods into Port Hanshan for me. What could go wrong?" Or better yet, "Let me sell some illegal mods I don't yet have and can't get into the port to this crazy homicidal Krogan bounty hunter, and... uh.. pray a solution for delivery presents itself."

How does that guy even run a business without crapping himself... itself... whatever.

Maybe he's gotten used to crazy thigns happening that "provides" him with a solution.... Also, that deal with the Krogan might not have been 100% under his control, there might have been a snag to it which made him promise the mods. Some secret or fear.

But his bussines plan was terrible.

Well, and I'm sure there is in fact smuggling on Noveria - I can imagine that Opold had been able to pull this sort of thing off in the past and just had bad luck in this case by getting a shipment intercepted. Still, asking Shepard to help is pretty stupid - Opold doesn't know Shepard at all and has no real reason to think (s)he would be inclined to go along with it, and risks exactly what can end up happening, i.e. Shepard reporting the scheme to the authorities.