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[Jukaga]

Wilson was working for the SB, iirc. He felt he wasn't gettin' paid at Cerberus.

[wizardryforever]

isnudo wrote...

TIM's plan to "extrapolate" control of Reaper Husks to actual Reapers somehow someway, is pretty silly. It doesn't even make sense. But he has indoctrination as an excuse so I might let that one go. Oh wait, he's indoctrinated because he hung a Reaper up outside his office... Hmmm...

Also the Leviathans' idea to build an AI to work out a fix for the problem of AIs always killing organics... Seems like the Council were closer to the right idea by just outlawing AIs.

But I'd say the worst goes to the United Peoples of the Milky Way's plan to beat the Reapers by banding together, combining every military asset they can muster and then throwing it all at Earth, that one planet that one species comes from that has no strategic value or value in general that would make that a meaningful plan.

Honestly, if it weren't for the fact that the Reapers moved the Citadel to Earth (not sure why they moved it there instead of elsewhere, to build their human reaper maybe?), I'd say that it was stupid too.  But since they now know that the Citadel is necessary for the Crucible to work, they have to throw everything at the Reapers in an attempt to take it back.  The fact that its at Earth doesn't mean much in terms of the story, that's more so Bioware could market the story as "take back Earth."

[Isaidlunch]

The Reapers. They could have easily made it so that Shepard and the galaxy never had a chance in ME3 but they just... don't.

[KaiserShep]

killerrabbit1996 wrote...

There was this one side mission for ME1 where Shepard had to negotiate with a warlord of some kind. The guy constantly insisted to be addressed as 'My Lord' and kept on whining about the Alliance... That guy was just asking for a bullet in the head if you ask me.

How renegade do you have to be to get this mission?

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 octobre 2013 - 11:35 .

[Liamv2]

 Take a guess.

[shodiswe]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Opold on Noveria.

"Hey, lemme just ask this random Spectre nicely to smuggle illegal mods into Port Hanshan for me. What could go wrong?" Or better yet, "Let me sell some illegal mods I don't yet have and can't get into the port to this crazy homicidal Krogan bounty hunter, and... uh.. pray a solution for delivery presents itself."

How does that guy even run a business without crapping himself... itself... whatever.

Maybe he's gotten used to crazy thigns happening that "provides" him with a solution.... Also, that deal with the Krogan might not have been 100% under his control, there might have been a snag to it which made him promise the mods. Some secret or fear.

But his bussines plan was terrible.

Well, and I'm sure there is in fact smuggling on Noveria - I can imagine that Opold had been able to pull this sort of thing off in the past and just had bad luck in this case by getting a shipment intercepted. Still, asking Shepard to help is pretty stupid - Opold doesn't know Shepard at all and has no real reason to think (s)he would be inclined to go along with it, and risks exactly what can end up happening, i.e. Shepard reporting the scheme to the authorities. 

At worst it would seem the "authorities" on Noveria would make Opold pay a fine or that corrupt Salarians would ask him for a cut of the profits.
At worst Opold could just move to another planet if things get too unprofitable. It didn't sound like there was any risk of getting jailed for those "minor" offenses.

Modifié par shodiswe, 10 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .

[noobcannon]

clone shes pretty bad. "ima steal the normandy and be teh real shep duuuurh"

[Baihu1983]

Liamv2 wrote...

 Take a guess.

Winner.

[AlexMBrennan]

Winner.

As long as you substitute the actual content in the game with your ex-culo fantasy, sure. All that meme proves is that people on BSN are by and large too dumb to follow complex arguments; it's no less illogical than pruning trees.

[Eterna]

Liamv2 wrote...

 Take a guess.

I hate this image.

Mostly because it is incorrect, over simplified, and shows a clear lack of understanding by whomever made it. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 11 octobre 2013 - 10:31 .

[Dubozz]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

 Take a guess.

Winner.

This.

Also Illusive Man:  
-"Let's sabotage every shepard's move! he must not unite the galaxay and finish the crucible!"
-"But Sir, we need the crucible to contr...."
-"Shut up! I know what i'm doing. By the way, Go to Tuchanka and turn that bomb on!"
-"But Sir, why we should sabotage the krogans? Without them it will be hard to deliver the cru...."
-"Shut up!"

[Mangalores]

KrrKs wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...
As for Wilson, yeah I'm still not buying it. I'm not sure about the Collectors, but it is hinted ingame that he did it for the money. Either way, he's still a fool for assuming that anyone could offer him anything more for sabotaging the cure than he would get for selling it. Not to mention that he still screwed up and got shot by the mechs himself.

I don't think wilson was shot by the mechs...
EVERY Mech in the game shots at the torso (even in the cutscenes! Oh apart from those Dog things ofcourse), so I guess wilson panicked and shot himself.

...

I supposed he did it to himself to deflect suspicion for being there or Miranda nearly got him and they somehow got separated before either one offed the other.

Eterna5 wrote...
...
I hate this image.

Mostly because it is incorrect, over simplified, and shows a clear lack of understanding by whomever made it. 

Just because BW put a wall of text and voodoo bs between their resolution and this simple conclusion doesn't change that that's essentially how they explain the whole Reaper plot away. Not sure what point you want to contest against the image when the Starchild refers to the Reapers as his solution to the organics vs. synthetics conflict. His entire argumentation just leads to the conclusion that you need to kill it.

Modifié par Mangalores, 11 octobre 2013 - 01:30 .

[KwangtungTiger]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Winner.

As long as you substitute the actual content in the game with your ex-culo fantasy, sure. All that meme proves is that people on BSN are by and large too dumb to follow complex arguments; it's no less illogical than pruning trees.

Get off your high horse, there isn't anything overty complex about the ending that the average person cant understand.
It seems alot of people like yourself try to inject some intellectual  superiority over others (to make yourself feel better (who knows?)). It really comes down to you using your imagination and making it "ex-culo overtly complex"

I for one don't like or dislike the endings (I just take it for what it is). The meme may be over simplified, but it does capture in "Essence" the catalyst.

[AlexMBrennan]

Get off your high horse, there isn't anything overty complex about the ending that the average person cant understand.

If you think that the ending was "I made synthetics to kill you to prevent you from getting killed by synthetics" (i.e. what the stupid meme says) then, I'm sorry to say, the ending went over your head or you are intentionally committing details you know are crucial to the argument.

[Dubozz]

Here! We have another one!

[KwangtungTiger]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Get off your high horse, there isn't anything overty complex about the ending that the average person cant understand.

If you think that the ending was "I made synthetics to kill you to prevent you from getting killed by synthetics" (i.e. what the stupid meme says) then, I'm sorry to say, the ending went over your head or you are intentionally committing details you know are crucial to the argument.

1) Did the catalyst create synthetics to kill its creators then turn them into synthetics?

Reguardless of its understanding of life, the acsension of life and execution of its plan. Did that not happen?

So yes, the meme is a "VERY" simplified version of what happened. As for the further in depth meaning for the catalyst actions, I believe what the catalyst believed  it was doing was the right course of action. There was more to the Catalyst than what the meme suggest. But over all the meme still has some (as an overly simplified version) validity to it.


Also, sorry to the OP for any disruption this has caused to your thread..........

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 11 octobre 2013 - 02:13 .

[Mangalores]

nm

Modifié par Mangalores, 11 octobre 2013 - 02:11 .

[Erez Kristal]

Kataphrut94 wrote...


Shepard was dead and they fixed him, simple as that. If it can work on a man who was 'mostly meat and tubes', it could just as easily work on a normal cadaver.

Either way, you're missing the point. The point is that the technology is extremely beneficial and valuable, and Wilson just went and blew it up for no good reason. That is why he is the villain with the worst plan.

that was semed to never have been part of wilson plan.
i got the impression, he gave the shadow broker the code, and thing went a little bit too extreme for him.
he never planned on dying. he would have made a lot of money cashing in n his brains in the long run. but i assume the shadow broker offered him a lot more.

[huntrrz]

Mangalores wrote...

TIM. I still have no clue what he wanted to actually do, he mainly ****s everything up for everyone. Also bringing back a dead person because she is supposedly "special" kind of indicates a certain degree of lunacy right there.

TIM wanted to save humanity. His methods were completely counterproductive, but his motive was pure. When he was altered by the Reaper artifact, they saw that he had just the right personality traits to serve their purposes without even knowing it, so they left him alone and let him dig himself into a hole until the time came to take more direct control and turn his organization into an active threat to the current cycle.

[huntrrz]

KrrKs wrote...

I don't think wilson was shot by the mechs...
EVERY Mech in the game shots at the torso (even in the cutscenes! Oh apart from those Dog things ofcourse), so I guess wilson panicked and shot himself.

Wilson didn't panic, he shot himself to maintain his cover. "How could you suspect me?  I was injured in the attack!"

This is one of the 'oldest tricks in the book' for a spy thriller book or movie.

[KwangtungTiger]

huntrrz wrote...

Mangalores wrote...

TIM. I still have no clue what he wanted to actually do, he mainly ****s everything up for everyone. Also bringing back a dead person because she is supposedly "special" kind of indicates a certain degree of lunacy right there.

TIM wanted to save humanity. His methods were completely counterproductive, but his motive was pure. When he was altered by the Reaper artifact, they saw that he had just the right personality traits to serve their purposes without even knowing it, so they left him alone and let him dig himself into a hole until the time came to take more direct control and turn his organization into an active threat to the current cycle.

I believe that Jack Harper originally had a pure motive. But once TIM created cerberus it all went out the window.

It's still debatable if the reapers were actually controlling him or not. But TIM was only about himself. Someone with a pure motive wouldn't kill as many humans as he did.

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 11 octobre 2013 - 02:41 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

The illusive man when he decided to turn one of his former cerberus agents into a reaper abomination with untold abilities and direct reaper control over it, just out of petty revenge. Than had him placed on a station he was staying on, in a minimal security holding cell, with no way to purge the contents in fire or jettison it into space should things go wrong.

TIM, master of making stupid plans.

[Han Shot First]

Saren and the Illusive Man get a pass, in that their plans were not actually their own. They were indoctrinated pawns of the Reapers. Saren did not actually have a plan to ally with the Reapers and TIM did not actually have a plan to control them. Both plots were the result of the indoctrinated whisperings of the Reapers, providing an illusion of free will and self control.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Han Shot First wrote...

Saren and the Illusive Man get a pass, in that their plans were not actually their own.

Not with me they don't. They both get an award in outstandingly stupid plans. Everyone in ME does in fact.