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[shodiswe]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You really think military gives you a choice lol. Shepard is not high enough rank to force anything on anyone much less Alliance brass. Even a spectre can be ignored unless he can prove direct council orders and authority and get agreement with whomever he is negotiating with.

You have to follow the story given. ME 3 is not a privateer type game where you can lone wolf it. BW wanted you in the alliance and that is just how it has to be. Shepard is illustrated to desire a place in the alliance and willingly accepts. You are not Shepard nor make all the decisions just direct his actions at pre-determined points established by BW writers. People just don't get that.

As a Spectre the council would have to force him, and if he jsut runs of then he's a fugitive... The Alliance trial is mostly a formality to keep the Batarians of the Alliance before the Batarians gets wipedout anyway.
Everyone should know that blowing up that relay only bought the galaxy some time, it didn't really change anything.

What would Shepard have been doing in the mean time? exploring planetoids for rocks or hunting smugglers? While dodging lawmen or mercenaries tryong to bring him in or colelct a bounty while the Batarians might have attacked Earth?

I'm not sure how anytihng would have been mroe interesting or better, then the Reapers hit in the aftermath of the Batarian/Alliance war, in which the council might have been dragged in.

[The Night Mammoth]

I really hate this part of the plot. It's completely out of character for the Shepard I play and it makes no sense.

First, I don't playArrival. It's a stupid piece of DLC, probably the worst Mass Effect DLC I've played. Thus, Shepard did not blow up any Relays, and she is not implicated in sparking a potential conflict with the Batarians.

Second, Shepard died, and is a Spectre. The Alliance, as far as I was concerned, had no authority over her. At all. They can't order her to do anything.

Third, Shepard, aside from taking Cerberus's resources, did nothing to further their ends. Every opportunity she got she dismantled their little projects and fed information to other organisations. The Alliance had nothing, especially considering they let her do it.

Fourth, as a Spectre, everything Shepard did against the Collectors, with the help of Cerberus, was endorsed by the Council. She is immune from charges, the Alliance should not be able to lock her up.

Last, waiting around for six months whilst the galaxy dithers is incredibly dumb. There are plenty of things she could be doing that are more productive than that. Everyone knows that when the Reapers come the galaxy has to be united. When the Reapers arrive, Shepard is already behind on that task. Who the hell knows what she could have achieved in that time.

This six month incarceration is little else but Lazarus 2.0. Break the crew up, change the galactic situation, skip the time forward. At least this time characters don't have random personality changes, right Liara? Oh wait, Wrex. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 10 octobre 2013 - 03:51 .

[David7204]

You're free to dream up whatever hallucination you like.

[The Night Mammoth]

Oh, thanks David for your permission to 'dream up whatever hallucination I like'. How gracious of you, I can see why so many people on the forum welcome your comments like they're gifts from the gods.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:01 .

[Erez Kristal]

InvincibleHero wrote...

To those that want to be a barking dog at the alliance you were cooling your heels for 6 months now. I think Shepard would be well into the acceptance and resolution phase than anger. He is after all a military man. If he had a piece to say it was already done off-screen in that amount of time.

this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your shepard would do. 

but that is not your decision to make for the other players shepards. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point where bioware choose to follow their own story and leave all those who didn't get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save and on action mode.

Modifié par erezike, 10 octobre 2013 - 05:54 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

erezike wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

To those that want to be a barking dog at the alliance you were cooling your heels for 6 months now. I think Shepard would be well into the acceptance and resolution phase than anger. He is after all a military man. If he had a piece to say it was already done off-screen in that amount of time.

this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your would shepard do. 

but that is not your decision to make for other players sheprd. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point bioware choose to follow their story and leave all those who did get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save on action mode.

That's right erezike. My own Shepard would have gone to work for Aria. So Bioware forced us to get in line.

[Excella Gionne]

There are many routes to take other than speculation or returning back to the Alliance. I wanted to see other people's opinions or idea of what their Shepard would do if they didn't return to the Alliance based on the Arrival DLC, because only the Arrival DLC gives Shepard a reason to return, but without it, no. With or without the DLCs influence, both paths could have been chosen. I do agree that Shepard should have done something more productive than returning to the Alliance either because of Arrival, or not.

I know that Shepard won't be able to meet Traynor and James and every other Alliance person, but that would be the whole reason to completely alternative path if Shepard never went back. I'm trying to throw a possibility out there, not remake "your" story.

[Erez Kristal]

johnnythao89 wrote...



I know that Shepard won't be able to meet Traynor and James and every other Alliance person, but that would be the whole reason to completely alternative path if Shepard never went back. I'm trying to throw a possibility out there, not remake "your" story.

i never understand why people complain about such things like james and traynor. so instead of james and traynor you would get mike and lisa.
New characters could always be introduced no matter what line the plot chooses to take.

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

Before someone jumps on my ass about how implausible this is, just **** off. I'm only answering the hypothetical question above.

It'd be pretty ironic, considering that plausibility takes a hike on numerous occasions as it is. 

[AlexMBrennan]

If I actually had a choice (and that's a big IF), I would have went to the Geth

Who get wiped out by the quarians, forcing the geth to accept the reapers as their god, crucify legion and probably sacrifice Shepard. Brilliant.

[InvincibleHero]

erezike wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

To those that want to be a barking dog at the alliance you were cooling your heels for 6 months now. I think Shepard would be well into the acceptance and resolution phase than anger. He is after all a military man. If he had a piece to say it was already done off-screen in that amount of time.

this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your shepard would do. 

but that is not your decision to make for the other players shepards. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point where bioware choose to follow their own story and leave all those who didn't get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save and on action mode.

So you think it is a good idea to go ballistic on your captors once they have released you from imprisonment. LOL. Stand down Shepard. Still ranting and raving. Stick him back in his cell. Reapers come Shepard dies in his cell. Game over man GAME OVER.

[shodiswe]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

erezike wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

To those that want to be a barking dog at the alliance you were cooling your heels for 6 months now. I think Shepard would be well into the acceptance and resolution phase than anger. He is after all a military man. If he had a piece to say it was already done off-screen in that amount of time.

this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your would shepard do. 

but that is not your decision to make for other players sheprd. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point bioware choose to follow their story and leave all those who did get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save on action mode.

That's right erezike. My own Shepard would have gone to work for Aria. So Bioware forced us to get in line.

So, work for Aria and let the Galaxy burn? Kind of liek the Refuse endign but you might get to spend the rest of your days with Aria.

Modifié par shodiswe, 10 octobre 2013 - 08:35 .

[InvincibleHero]

@Streetmagic That what barking dog epitomizes. Some attacking them for their perceived slights to Shepard. It is quite apparent that Shepard surrendered in the first place so would not be angry at the situation. Indeed, seems quite peaceful calm and collected in the cutscenes in the intro.

Whe people said they wanted to express anger I don't think they want to do it nicely or in a civil manner. I bet some would want to take a swing at Anderson if it were put in the game.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

shodiswe wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

erezike wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

To those that want to be a barking dog at the alliance you were cooling your heels for 6 months now. I think Shepard would be well into the acceptance and resolution phase than anger. He is after all a military man. If he had a piece to say it was already done off-screen in that amount of time.

this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your would shepard do. 

but that is not your decision to make for other players sheprd. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point bioware choose to follow their story and leave all those who did get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save on action mode.

That's right erezike. My own Shepard would have gone to work for Aria. So Bioware forced us to get in line.

So, work for Aria and let the Galaxy burn? Kind of liek the Refuse endign but you might get to spend the rest of your days with Aria.

Working for Aria for six months would sure beat spending them in prison. Besides, she's got enough pull with the Council, you forget,

Aria: "Councilor Tevos (or Irissa), I've got Shepard and I want her cleared of all charges, and her Spectre status made good."
Tevos: "Anything you want, Aria. Tell Shepard all charges have been dropped and she's a Spectre again."
Aria: "Thank you. There, Shepard, now go save the galaxy. Oh, and there's a ship waiting for you."

[Erez Kristal]

InvincibleHero wrote...

erezike wrote...
this is your prespective of shepard.  your perspective of what is the right thing to do, of what your shepard would do. 

but that is not your decision to make for the other players shepards. this was a big decision and it had to be decided in game
this was the point where bioware choose to follow their own story and leave all those who didn't get in line out.

There are easy ways to create a story that would have involved players choices for all shepards.
a story which we have already proven in the mass effect reimagined - interactive book project. to be possibile
bioware simply choose to go the other route and make a linear action game.
mass effect 3 was meant to be played without an imported save and on action mode.

So you think it is a good idea to go ballistic on your captors once they have released you from imprisonment. LOL. Stand down Shepard. Still ranting and raving. Stick him back in his cell. Reapers come Shepard dies in his cell. Game over man GAME OVER.

i think it would be better if shepard stopped kissing hackett and anderson asses for starters and have a choice not to be in lockdown and be able to do something useful in the firstplace.
the all scenario was terribilly played for many reasons. the intro was a badly though railroading to get shepard to earth,

It made the batarians, alliance and shepard look incomptetent/

Modifié par erezike, 10 octobre 2013 - 09:51 .

[Erez Kristal]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Working for Aria for six months would sure beat spending them in prison. Besides, she's got enough pull with the Council, you forget,

Aria: "Councilor Tevos (or Irissa), I've got Shepard and I want her cleared of all charges, and her Spectre status made good."
Tevos: "Anything you want, Aria. Tell Shepard all charges have been dropped and she's a Spectre again."
Aria: "Thank you. There, Shepard, now go save the galaxy. Oh, and there's a ship waiting for you."

the only reason shepard would have to turn himself/herself in was in order to stop a war with the batarians. but from the intro you get the impression that no one really cared about the all affair anyway.

No one was gathering intel on the batarians, none of the batarians complianed about the alliance time wasting tactics. and if it was so easy for the alliance to have shepard 'locked up' shepard could have had an easy time  going on secret missions and brokering deals.

The railroading on earth is an example of terrible writing. this was the worst kind of bad writing seen in the triology.
runner ups  are
2) ending
3) IFF kidnapping scene.
4) thane - kai leng fight scene.
5) quarrian - geth plot arc.

Modifié par erezike, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:00 .

[shodiswe]

erezike wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Working for Aria for six months would sure beat spending them in prison. Besides, she's got enough pull with the Council, you forget,

Aria: "Councilor Tevos (or Irissa), I've got Shepard and I want her cleared of all charges, and her Spectre status made good."
Tevos: "Anything you want, Aria. Tell Shepard all charges have been dropped and she's a Spectre again."
Aria: "Thank you. There, Shepard, now go save the galaxy. Oh, and there's a ship waiting for you."

the only reason shepard would have to turn himself/herself in was in order to stop a war with the batarians. but from the intro you get the impression that no one really cared about the all affair anyway.

No one was gathering intel on the batarians, none of the batarians complianed about the alliance time wasting tactics. and if it was so easy for the alliance to have shepard 'locked up' shepard could have had an easy time  going on secret missions and brokering deals.

The railroading on earth is an example of terrible writing. this was the worst kind of bad writing seen in the triology.
runner ups  are
2) ending
3) IFF kidnapping scene.
4) thane - kai leng fight scene.
5) quarrian - geth plot arc.

There were actualy several high level and midlevel politicians and military Batarians wantign war with the Alliance, the Trial and "imprisonment" stalled the Batarians til the Reapers hit them, after that they were no longer a serious threat, and fewer people had the time to worry about minor incidents and rivalries... Unfortunately for humanity they were next on the Reapers hit list. It's all in the game.

Modifié par shodiswe, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:50 .

[Sundance31us]

I got the impression from Mass Effect: Conviction that Hackett sends Anderson (who brings James along) to take possession of the SR-2 and bring Shepard back to Earth.